Be Glad your not a Brigand

[Darqz]

I just read on the test boards what some of the patch notes have done to the Brigands and thier ruse spell line http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=12159 We as  part of the scout community should rally behind the brigands to help make sure that this does not happen.  While I am not happy that a brigand can use ruse repeatedly  to gather damage that puts me to shame if I don't have my heavy hitters up thats part of the game.  This is a joke if they do this to the brigands.  The next thing they will probably want to do is set it so that assassins can only cloak once a fight .  I know this is a bit over reacting but its truly disheartening that instead of fixing scouts on general for dps they are slowly breaking down the class and its sub classes. <div></div>

[Gyilok]

<P>brigands are the least played class worldwide, still they cant stop working on getting even less of us</P> <P>Ruse (not a spell line, just a poor lvl 21 skill, never gets replaced) is a great skill in the 20s, good in the 30s, and I still have it on toolbar at lvl 50, but you wouldnt want to go around a lvl 55 grpx4 mob to get in front to use it</P> <P>if they add agro requirement, they better take the skill out and give it to bruisers or something</P> <P>bah whatever</P>

[Tazzrin]

<DIV>I fail to see how this would affect the Assassin community and I see this as a propaganda scheme to help provide support for your class. Please keep this kind of crap in the Brigand class discussion boards not in the Assassins boards. We have enough problems of our own. Thanks for the meaningless post.</DIV>

[Kizee]

<DIV>^^^ LOL someone forgot to take thier meds. </DIV>

[Fros]

<DIV>Hi, we are all scout class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It might not affect us directly, but when one of the scout class is doing badly it does affect the scout image as a whole, I already see people saying in group that scout is worthless etc cause so and so scout was doing so *$%#&! badly and want to get another fighter for dps while I was playing on my twink.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>DPS issue is a scout class issue. What will you feel if they break lets say, shrouded stealth line of skill?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shrug</DIV><p>Message Edited by Frosin on <span class=date_text>04-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:08 PM</span>

[Darqz]

<P>Tazzrin,</P> <P>  Believe it or not I'm an assassin.  I posted this here because currently the brigand is the closest thing to our damage as far as scouts go (aside from rangers).  I'm not sure if you ever followed the previous posts but there were many times where assassin's have requested our dps be boosted higher because as far as DPS goes there is very difference between that of the predator class and the rouge class.  This coupled with the fact that a rouge class (brigand/swashies) have a few more utilies than that of thier predator brethran didn't make much sense playing an assassin.  However this never called for a lessening of any scout dps.  Just as somebody stated before reducing one scout class to balance out the game effects the entire scout architecture.  How could this possibly effect assassins?  The easiest way is to say "the dps betwween the two classes is noticably different now, we at SOE do not see any reason to change the way that a scout does dps".  Much like a butterfly effect (not like that stupid movie but by the theory) this simple change to bringands may in effect stop the entire scout class from getting looked at for a much needed damage adjustment in the game.</P> <P>  While I honestly don't ever plan on playing a brigand/swashie and I am an not directly effected by this I will say that we should always consider what happens around us.  If you still feel like this post has no business being here I'm sorry for any offense.  Feel free to look at any of the previous posts I have started or reply to if you wish reassurance of my intentions is all I can say.</P>

[BaruMonk]

Not to be a pain, but these boards have different categories for a reason. If you wanted to post something that's specifically about brigands (which this is), then post it on the brigand forum. Don't tell me that this post belongs here because it affects everyone -- by your logic, almost every skill change discussed in all scout forums should have a copy of it posted under every sub-class.If it's being posted *because* it affects everyone, or if you just feel like *$%#&!ing to the rest of us about one thing, there is a generic "scout archetype" forum for that.

[Amise]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tazzrin wrote:<BR> <DIV>I fail to see how this would affect the Assassin community and I see this as a propaganda scheme to help provide support for your class. Please keep this kind of crap in the Brigand class discussion boards not in the Assassins boards. We have enough problems of our own. Thanks for the meaningless post.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It absolutely does affect us.  Scouts as a whole are a poorly conceived and executed set of classes and other Scout classe are having issues similar to those that are problems for us.  Things like CAs that don't scale well with increasing level, recast timers that are too long, cast times that are too long.     Not only that but more importantly, when Scout issues are finally looked at, I bet you each class won't be addressed in isolation.  Scout classes need to be balanced against each other as well as classes of other archetypes.  <DIV> </DIV>

[Darqz]

<P>Baru/Viru,</P> <P>Your right.  I posted this in the wrong forum.  This does belong under the scout class forum and not here.  If I could move it I would.</P> <P>Sorry about the mispost all.</P> <P> </P>

[Thanatos06]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BaruMonkey wrote:<BR>Not to be a pain, but these boards have different categories for a reason. If you wanted to post something that's specifically about brigands (which this is), then post it on the brigand forum. Don't tell me that this post belongs here because it affects everyone -- by your logic, almost every skill change discussed in all scout forums should have a copy of it posted under every sub-class.<BR><BR>If it's being posted *because* it affects everyone, or if you just feel like *$%#&!ing to the rest of us about one thing, there is a generic "scout archetype" forum for that.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree. </DIV>

[Mordock of the Highwynd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BaruMonkey wrote:<BR>Not to be a pain, but these boards have different categories for a reason. If you wanted to post something that's specifically about brigands (which this is), then post it on the brigand forum. Don't tell me that this post belongs here because it affects everyone -- by your logic, almost every skill change discussed in all scout forums should have a copy of it posted under every sub-class.<BR><BR>If it's being posted *because* it affects everyone, or if you just feel like *$%#&!ing to the rest of us about one thing, there is a generic "scout archetype" forum for that.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>By this logic, when Sony gives monks or bezerkers a real "assassinate" ability, we should not post it on our boards.  Or if Sony gives brigands an assassinate ability, we should not post it on our boards.  And if Ice Comet is improved or nerfed, it should not be posted on these boards.</P> <P>It has been correctly said that assassins have little more than DPS to offer groups.  So the DPS from other classes is of interest to assassins--including the DPS of brigands.</P> <P>It is not like the post was about how Wizards should have a "fly" spell.</P>

[terahak]

thanks for the concern, but ruse is 100% working after the patch. <div></div>

[Rake]

<P>yeah the ruse that brigands use apparently has no relation to this ruse the devs keep adjusting that requires the brigand to have aggro or any such silly thing, its just </P> <P>a godly lvl 20 ability that costs 10gp to have made into an adept 3 that hits for 1k-2k+ damage once per minute and only requires the brigand to be in front of the </P> <P>mob for long enough to hit the button and if they do it right, not losing a single melee attack in the proccess.</P> <P> </P> <P>Brigands are still the unchallenged kings of scout DPS, I for one cant think of a single reason TO be glad im not a brigand heh.</P> <P> </P>

[Fingolfin2]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rakear wrote:<BR> <P>Brigands are still the unchallenged kings of scout DPS, I for one cant think of a single reason TO be glad im not a brigand heh.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Dont worry. The Devs havent actually looked at scout balance yet. They'll get around to it.</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=41371#M41371" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=41371#M41371</A></DIV> <DIV><BR>Rouges have more utility than predators. more utility = less DPS.  At 50 the scout balance seems pretty decent actaully. </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Fingolfin2 on <span class=date_text>04-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:15 AM</span>

[Rake]

<P>and now with the DoT resist posion NERF, agonizing strike is even more of a useless pile of junk.  </P> <P> </P> <P>even on mobs 15 levels lower than me, soloing quest stuff, im lucky for agonizing strike ro break 300 on its hit/procs,   thats a whopping 900 damage on average for</P> <P>adept 3 assassins mark ,  that i have to cross my fingers and hope procs before the battle is over.  </P> <P>in a group, if i land all my poison debuffs,  it still doesnt reach its previous damage.</P> <P>Ruse is doin great tho, better than ever.</P> <P> </P> <P>oh and that post of moorgards basicaly says, "scouts are pretty much where we want them, we may fix a few bugged arts but dps is so subjective that they really</P> <P>are just fine where they are" </P>