Effect of an Adept III on Shrouded Strike...

[Dormam]

<DIV>Hi.  Was browsing the market and saw an adept III shrouded strike for sale.  I paid WAY too much money for it but I had not bought any adept IIIs yet and I use shrouded strike a lot in combat so I thought what the hell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I already had App 3 in my Shrouded Strike and was doing anywhwere between 60-90 points per shot with it.  The Adept III pretty much doubled my damage using the style.  I am now doing 150-180 with shrouded strike alone.  Add in extra hits with blade flurry and poison and were are talking over 200 damage easy for a swing.  This is at level 32 using a Kregnoks axe in my main hand, ebon eye dagger in my off hand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I paid 10 gold for the dang thing, which was like my entire christmas account heh, but I was certainly glad to see a 100% increase in my damage with the skill.  I will probably be kicking myself in a few levels when my upgrade for the skill shows up, but until then I will be using the heck out of my Adept III Shrouded Strike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bottom line:  if you got several levels before you see an update on the skill and you got the cash, Adept IIIs are very much worth your effort to buy.</DIV>

[HuntressSWG]

<DIV>I'm not trying to burst your bubble... believe me and I have said this so many times :smileywink:.  But wait on your adept 3's till you get non-replacable skills.  Truley you are just [Removed for Content] that money away.  All I have are adept 1's except for evade which is a non-replaced skill and is at Adept 3 three now.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure the temptation is there... sure your doing extra damage.  But trust me when you start getting those non-replaced skills and you want to adept 3 every bit of coin counts!  Like I said I use nothing but adpet 1's for now save the one and truley if you group correctly you dont need the Adept 3's yet.  All they are for at non-mastery levels is to say gee I have adept 3 so and so.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like you said you broke yourself for and adept 3 when that money could be saved for something far far far better.  Avoid the temptation, place all money in bank save 1 gold or less,  the extra damage your doing really isnt all that great especially if your in a great to decent group.  Although right now you might not believe me in the long haul you will thank me... and 80% of the adept sellers are selling way over a decent profit margin anyway... and by refraiming from purchasing you are helping drive the price downard... thus making bank breaking mid-level adepts more affordable for others and yourself as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV align=center>Huntryss Elvenchild</DIV> <DIV align=center>37 Assassin  </DIV>

[Dormam]

<DIV>While I see your point I do not agree with all of it for several reasons.  First of all, I dont think coin spent on making replaceable skills better is wasted coin.  I am getting HUGE use out of that Adept III skill.  Being a more efficient assassin is never a bad thing.  Also, for some reason I could never, ever find an adept 1 for Shrouded Strike and having a skill that important at app III was gimping me.  Also, at the current rate its going, you are not going to see Adept IIIs for higher level skills for a VERY long time.  So what do you do?  Spend the coin you have now for a skill you can use now?  Or save it up for a rainy day for an upgrade that  you hope someone will be able to make sometime in the future?  Money in this game is virtually meaningless.  There are a hundred ways to make cash fast if you need it, all you have to do is put the time in doing it.  My money doesnt earn interest in that bank so why not put it to use on a skill that helps me NOW?  Heck, I cant see the future.....something may come up to where I never get to spend that money I have saved so why not use it now?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Basically your skills are things you use just like your equipment.  You wouldnt hold off paying coin for better equipment just because you know your going to upgrade it now would you?  Upgrading your skills and equipment is just part of the journey to getting those maxed skills and uber items.  Having decent skills/equipment just makes that journey that much easier.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Honestly, after seeing the difference the adept III has made in my ability I have no regret in purchasing it at all.</DIV>

[UpurBloodst]

<DIV>Basically, if you're on a tight budget, it all boils down to whether you want the utility from an adept 3 right now on up until you <EM>see</EM> a master 1 for sale that you can't afford because you bought the adept, or if you want to forfeit that utility of the adept 3 and get the utility from the master 1 when one goes on sale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Considering the fact that adept 3 is not a very huge advantage over adept 1, and master 1 is a HUGE advantage over adept 3, personally, I'd just wait until master 1's.</DIV>

[Dormam]

<DIV>"Considering the fact that adept 3 is not a very huge advantage over adept 1, and master 1 is a HUGE advantage over adept 3, personally, I'd just wait until master 1's."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well personally I am having a really hard time finding the adept 1s for the skills in the mid to late 20s.  As I mentioned I upgraded from an App 3 to and Adept 3 for shrouded strike.  I think a 100% increase in damage is a huge advantage which is what I am experiencing with the adept 3.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If the same holds true for skills in the mid 30s we could very well have problems even trying to find Master 1s for our base skills.  In that case I think the adept 3s are a great upgrade option instead of waiting around for someone to make Master 3s.</DIV>

[HuntressSWG]

<DIV>  Sure coin is easy to make in this game... specially in RV or higher places.  But truley the adept 3's until you cant replace a skill dont make you a better assassin.  Grouping with good players using good tactics do.  If your happy with what you purchased that is great.  Try the fence more often or advertise in /auction chat.  The fence on Crushbone is laden with SS adept 1's.  But Condemming blade and Bloodthirster are MIA.  BUt for me that is fine that is something worth uping to Adept 3... I think youll find when you get Exposed Attack adpet 1, which is common, its going to be doing the exact same damage as your Adept 3 shourded strike for the price of 1 gold or maybe 2 max maybe a hair less.  That is 18 gold you could of used to upgrade armor, weapons, tier 3 foods, posions, arrows... etc etc.  Its up to you what you spend your money on man.... Im just putting in my 2cp... which is it really isnt worth 20 gold on a skill that is going to get replaced and can nearly do as much damage with adept 1.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>Edit that its Exposed Attack that replaces SS.... and after testing at the farm on yellow^^ the adept is hitting for 189-289 for me for the price of 1 gold.  And you get this attack at level 33.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV align=center>Huntryss Elvenchild</DIV> <DIV align=center>39 Assassin</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by HuntressSWG on <SPAN class=date_text>12-28-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:05 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by HuntressSWG on <SPAN class=date_text>12-28-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:07 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by HuntressSWG on <SPAN class=date_text>12-28-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:09 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by HuntressSWG on <span class=date_text>12-28-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:14 AM</span>

[Sharde]

<DIV>Hey Esh isnt shrouded replaced at 34 with Flanking Strike?    -(Zyntas)</DIV>

[Dormam]

<DIV>" But truley the adept 3's until you cant replace a skill dont make you a better assassin.  Grouping with good players using good tactics do."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry, I strongly disagree.  How can you say upgrading my damage from an attack 100% thus increasing my DPS greatly does not make me a better assassin?  Having an adept 1 or adept 3 isnt going to determine my tactics as an assassin - if my tactics suck with an adept 1 I bet I suck with an adept 3.  As assassins our job is to kill the enemy as quickly as possible.  Having a skill do more damage directly makes us a better assassin as it lets us kill opponents quicker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Try the fence more often or advertise in /auction chat.  The fence on Crushbone is laden with SS adept 1's.  But Condemming blade and Bloodthirster are MIA."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hit the broker and the fence at least twice a day.  To this day I have never seen [Removed for Content] adept 1. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"That is 18 gold you could of used to upgrade armor, weapons, tier 3 foods, posions, arrows... etc etc"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Where are you getting the 18 gold amount from?  Also I already have great equipment, and I also have upgrades for a lot of my equipment in the bank that I cant wear yet.  I exclusively eat tier 3 foods and always have the tier 3 poisons and arrows.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"which is it really isnt worth 20 gold on a skill that is going to get replaced and can nearly do as much damage with adept 1. "</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now its 20 gold???  I certainly didnt spend that much on the adept 3 no where near it.  Please stop exaggerating the amount I paid for the skill.  If your going to discuss it, at least use correct numbers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zyn, yeah it gets replaced at my next level, and that does give me a bit of sticker shock about the money.  But looking back on it I would have to still say it was some of the best cash I have spent on something so far in this game.  It is a skill I use every single fight multiple times.  My point is, until I get an adept 1 for exposed attack, if SS adept 3 does more damage than EA app 1 then I guess my investment is still worthwhile.</DIV>

[HuntressSWG]

<DIV>Sorry man midway adept3 doesnt make you a great assassin.  You seemed to be asking ofr input on your post I gave it and if you dont agree thats fine.  You just said you went nearly broke buying it and I was jsut poiting out it really wasnt worth 20gold IMO take it or leave it.  </DIV>

[HuntressSWG]

<DIV>10 gold 20 gold... teh point is you went broke over it.  Jeez you dont want peoples honest crtitiscm about something dont make a post on it.</DIV>

[Elv]

<DIV>Its replaced with Exposed Attack... * something like that * which I think I just got at Lv33. Heres the kick in the jim. Currently I only have app2 and its hitting for 150 ish.. While also on a sucessful hit' raising my dmg output on that mob. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should of researched it a bit more being Lv32 and getting a replacment next Lv. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*shrug*</DIV>

[HuntressSWG]

<DIV>Hehe no worries man I did the same thing with one of my attacks and just dont want people regretting their purchases.  At least you had fun with it for awhile <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Dormam]

<DIV>"Sorry man midway adept3 doesnt make you a great assassin.  You seemed to be asking ofr input on your post I gave it and if you dont agree thats fine.  You just said you went nearly broke buying it and I was jsut poiting out it really wasnt worth 20gold IMO take it or leave it"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Huntress.....please read the post.  I never said it made me a great assassin, but I do think it makes me a better assassin.  Sure I want input on my post, but that doesnt mean I automatically agree with you.  Btw, I have already replaced the cash I spent on the skill no problem.  You seem to have missed the point of my post all together.  I am trying to point out that the difference between Adept III and App III is a 100% increase in damage.  I would say more effective skills = better assassin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I took it and am satisfied with it.</DIV>

[dparker7]

<DIV>Just because a skill gets replaced doesnt make it unuseable.  Certain skills may be less useful as time goes on, but their lower power cost and alternate timer can leave all these skills with some usefulness.  Right now at 24 I have 2 masters - cut throat and the soon to be scribed ebon blade - and I fully intend to purchase upgrades to adept3/master for every skill at some point, so why not start early.  Then again, I still have a bunch of money even after those upgrades - got to love market speculation.</DIV>

[Dacari]

<DIV>I personally agree with upgrading skills.  You upgrade armor and weapons, and why?  Because you become more effiecient.  By the time there are adept 3s in non-upgraded skills you'll have your money back.  You'll be able to earn more money with your increased dmg too.  I can't believe these guys aren't going to be buying upgrades to their skills before they turn level 50.  Once you are level 50 is there even any content for you?  It will take me a couple months to get there, what am I going to do until then "/ooc level 25 gimped assassin lfg.  Can't do much dmg.  I know my role, I just can't execute it much.  Trying to get to 50 off the backs of others.  Thanks"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[HuntressSWG]

<DIV>  Its not about getting to 50 off the backs of others... My entire guild plays together and some even have the adept 3's and Masters.... but who is doing the most damage?  I am with Adept 1's not to mention Im constantly having to tone down my DPS so as not draw agro... doesnt even matter that my tank is same level as me with adept 3's and is a great palyer.  Not once have I been told that my skills are lacking and half the time I am told to cut back my damage even with solid hate decreasing skills in the low 40's.  I repsect the original posters opinion... but on my server at least the economy is so out of whack that paying buttloads of money for something that is replaceable and better with an adept 1 just doenst make sense.  Especially when things get nice and expenisve down the road.  Im talking from experience that is all... nothing more and nothing less.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV align=center>Huntryss Elvenchild</DIV> <DIV align=center>42 Assassin </DIV> <DIV align=center>Crushbone</DIV><p>Message Edited by HuntressSWG on <span class=date_text>01-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 PM</span>