Assassins Mark... anyone ever seen it work?

[Vladdax]

The description if this skill sounds excellent. Marks a target and if someone hits that mark it does extreme damage. But i have yet to see it proc after casting it on 100's of mobs, I may have missed it but "extreme damage" is not something i'd miss really. Has anyone seen this work?Is it just a really, really rare proc, not procing at all or maybe the "extreme" damage isn't quite as good as it suggests and i've missed it in the combat spam?

[Good_ome]

Ive seen the damage of my attacks go up after using it , not with the "extreme" ammount promised , but still.

[Dormam]

<DIV>Could be a couple of things.  First of all, you may have it at app 1...who knows how adept 1 will effect this type of skill.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, define extreme damage.  Does it mean you will hit in the hundreds on a regular hit?  I dont think so, it think it could be that one of those regular hits you give for like 10 points might do 90.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does the mark work just for you or everyone in your party?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I bet that you wouldnt even see a message or graphic that it went off, that the number would register just as a stronger hit among many?  Can anyone confirm?</DIV>

[Cab]

<DIV>just got it tonight, and well.................I have no idea either. I have a feeling that it DOES do massive damage, just more often as we progress. I mean we are low level in the assasin class right now. I really expect that this skill will become quite an amazing damage dealer whne we get more proficient with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But what do I know. I just like to hit the button.</DIV>

[Vladdax]

<blockquote><hr>Dormammu wrote:<DIV>Could be a couple of things. First of all, you may have it at app 1...who knows how adept 1 will effect this type of skill. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Also, define extreme damage. Does it mean you will hit in the hundreds on a regular hit? I dont think so, it think it could be that one of those regular hits you give for like 10 points might do 90.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Does the mark work just for you or everyone in your party?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I bet that you wouldnt even see a message or graphic that it went off, that the number would register just as a stronger hit among many? Can anyone confirm?</DIV><hr></blockquote>Yea it's only app1, probably app3 or ad1 would make it proc more often but i dont see any use in upgrading it if dont know what it does <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Since I have specials that do "low damage" but still hit for 50-100 and things like shadowblade that can hit for 350+ I hope it would be noticable. 24 power for a low proccing extra 50-100 damage is pretty usless.It soulds like it works for the whole group, everyone has a chance to hit the spot

[MistressStorm]

<DIV>It procs for me all the time. I'm level 27 and have adept 1 in Assassins Mark. I use it at the start of most fights and it procs atleast 3-4 times per fight. It doesn't give any special message that it is going off, but I will every once in a while let off an extra 50-100 damage attack. The only reason I know this is Assassin's Mark is because I tested it when i first got the skill. I went out and fought a few grey con orcs with no buffs on at all (not even blade flurry). I noticed every once in a while I would let off an extra attack that does 2x or more damage than my regular hits. I wouldn't exactly call it extreme damage but it's still nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, it will even proc periodically with attack off if you want to test it out on some low con mobs.</DIV>

[DreamerClou]

<DIV>It sounds like you are rispote your enemies attacks.  Turn on your enemies' misses and you should see that you are rispote their attack back on to them.</DIV>

[Tre_Sel]

not sure but, i have a magic DMG of around 1,200 not sure where it happend or when, but happend after i been using Back shot/head shot combo with the bow.... Now ranked #1 on the GUK server for Magic DMG....also see alot of Assasins with higher Magic DMG...perhaps its a total Random PROC?? or has more too do with BOW skills...

[khalysta]

<DIV>I used assassin's mark a bunch yesterday and was parsing and never saw anything out of the ordinary with an assassin's mark adept 1.</DIV>

[shebalse]

<DIV>Im level 38 assasin on Befallen. I have an adept 1 of this skill. I have tried it numerous times and have come to the conclusion that this skill is broken. Along with slaughter and many other skills</DIV>

[Mjk_cz]

lvl 38 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />? Wow!, honestly, I am lvl 25 and I have already enough skills to use constantly in combat, why to waste time with assassin mark, when result is so questionable? or broken? One additional pierce, vex, impale is better.

[MistressStorm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote:<BR> <DIV>It sounds like you are rispote your enemies attacks.  Turn on your enemies' misses and you should see that you are rispote their attack back on to them.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Well, I don't think that would explain why the damage on the attack is so high. I hit for 20-30 max not 60 - 100. Unless I'm wrong, riposte doesn't do their damage back to them it just gives you an extra counter attack. That's how it works unless they have changed it from EQ1 and every other RPG I have played on a computer. Plus I have enemy misses on and it does not say I reposte before I get the high dmg attack.</P> <P>Using no specials and no buffs and using Assassin's Mark My melee log looks something like this:</P> <P>A bloodskull orc tries to hit you but misses.</P> <P>You hit a bloodskull orc for 23.</P> <P>You hit a bloodskull orc for 18.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>You hit a bloodskull orc for 68. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>(highlighted to show where I believe assassin's mark is going off)</FONT></P> <P>You miss a bloodskull orc.</P> <P>Now I could be wrong. Maybe some other factor is playing in there but I have tried it many times with similar results. Fighting a grey group mob with no buffs and using no specials other than Assassin's Mark at the beginning of the fight. No special message before during or after just a random high damage hit. (PS I have all hit, miss, and spell messages turned on so it's not that I am just missing a message either)</P> <P> </P>

[fre]

Unless I'm wrong, riposte doesn't do their damage back to them it just gives you an extra counter attack. That's how it works unless they have changed it from EQ1 and every other RPG I have played on a computer.In beta i had a few 100+ ripostes of the mobs attacks it was their damage done back at them. I rarely use mark since whenever i do I never see any special attacksFreak -Unrest-

[Fee]

<DIV>Riposte is a stonger then normal counter attack. Turn on enemy misses and you'll see the message. I hit for 10-20 and can riposte for 50+</DIV>

[Fee]

<DIV>Just for referance, the message normally goes something like this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>YOU hit a Orc pawn for 14 points of Piercing damage!</DIV> <DIV>A Orc pawn tries to crush YOU with Crushing Blow but YOU Riposte!</DIV> <DIV>YOU hit a Orc Pawn for 61 points of Piercing damage!</DIV>

[Demon Wrai]

<DIV>I saw it work today.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anders Blackhammer used it to kick my buttocks.</DIV>

[Venom19]

Hehe, that was a good fight till he hit you for all that damage, I honestly thought I was gonna die next. =( Oh, when they say extreame damage, they mean it.

[Visr]

<DIV>Quote :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Riposte is a stonger then normal counter attack. Turn on enemy misses and you'll see the message. I hit for 10-20 and can riposte for 50+"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes this is also the same damage I get for riposte normally around 40-60 @ level 21.  I personally have not seen any difference when using Assassins Mark, what a dissappointment, when I saw "Extreme Damage" I was pretty excited, oh well I hope it gets fixed.</DIV>

[Nagora]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demon Wraith wrote:<BR> <DIV>I saw it work today.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anders Blackhammer used it to kick my buttocks.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> A little bit more info, please. 

[Dormam]

<DIV>Ok, I think I saw this work last night.  I was fighting grey 2 arrow up cons to clear some old quests.  They cant really touch me so I would just hit attack and basically either watch tv till the fight was over or get a pop out of the fridge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On one particular mob I decided to go ahead and hit the assassins mark at the start of the fight and just watch the damage roll.  Using Steel Rapiers I would see 9, 12, 25, 20, 9, 15, etc etc.  Damage seemed to avg in between 9 and about 26 points on regular hits.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, there were a couple of times when I saw a hit in the high 70s take place.  Not very often and only maybe twice in a fight at the most.  I only had enemy hit and my hits and damage on my chat options so I didnt notice any particular message when it happened...it just looked like a regular hit.  No graphic particle effect either.  Just a hit for about 3X damage that I was normally doing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was using Assassin's Blade with an Adept 1 in it at level 28.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe they consider massive damage 3X of what your normal hit would be???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or is there any code in the game for critical hits?  Possible critical hit? </DIV>

[Visr]

Quote :_________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________"However, there were a couple of times when I saw a hit in the high 70s take place. Not very often and only maybe twice in a fight at the most."__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________This is still probably your riposte damage, nothing special there.

[Micbat]

Yeah but shouldn't they be seeing a message saying "you reposite"? I have heard any of these guys mentioning it, maybe they missed it in the log.

[Visr]

I think the riposte is in the "mob misses you" filter and it's two seperate lines of combat text. You'll see your first line of text saying A Frosted Zombie tries to swing at you but YOU riposte!then it's a seperate line of damage text: You Hit a Frosted Zombie for 70 points of damage! I could be wrong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Fee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Visren wrote:<BR>I think the riposte is in the "mob misses you" filter and it's two seperate lines of combat text. You'll see your first line of text saying <BR><BR>A Frosted Zombie tries to swing at you but YOU riposte!<BR><BR>then it's a seperate line of damage text: <BR><BR>You Hit a Frosted Zombie for 70 points of damage! <BR><BR><BR>I could be wrong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yes that's how it works. Which is why I explained how riposted works a couple times in tihs thread already :smileytongue:

[Murg]

I've seen assassin's mark work, it does just do an extra damage hit (I've seen from 75 - 90). Don't tell me it was a riposte either because I was at the mobs back and not being attacked any of the times it went off. 've used it several nights running on any ^^ mob our group pulls. I don't know if its affecting other peoples attacks to or just mine but it would be interesting to know, 4 or 5 peeps getting 2 or 3 extra 5x (its at least 5x, I never hit for more than 20 normally and I've seen 90 damage hits with mark up) damage hits in would add up...

[Vladdax]

I have been continuing to use and actually do think it works ok. It's not ripostes or anything like that but every so often some big hits 70-120ish. In fact im almost sure assassins mark can affect specials too and when using it I've had some abnormally high hits using lower dmg specials like cut.

[Dark Afo]

<DIV>It works . . . somehow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know from hundreds (could be thousands by now) of solo kills that assassin mark must do something since mobs that I dont mark always end up costing me more hits to down. But you cant really see the effect anywhere in the game log.</DIV>

[AstralDrea]

<DIV>"often some big hits 70-120ish. "</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That might be coming from blade flurry or just naturally from being an assassin. I noticed when I hit 20 and became an assassin, about every 10-20 hits of normal hits, i would hit for like 50-75 with no ability. This shows even not using Assassin's mark. If it doesn't show up in the logs, i wouldn't count on it. The logs need to show something like "You found your mark and hit for xxx" like that. Otherwise, we are just guessing.</DIV>

[Vladdax]

It's not blade flurry, you see that in the logs "You swipe..." and they seem to happen ALOT more when i usemark.There's also in the options an option to select critcal hits a different color, I've never seen it happen so could jsut be them.A dev comment would be nice jsut to let us know<p>Message Edited by Vladdax on <span class=date_text>12-20-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:10 AM</span>

[Soulfla]

<DIV>Its just another Vulnerability skill that makes the mob more vulnerable to your attacks, it is broke however, I dont believe it is working as they had planned, for the most part it raises your % of crit hits or shall I say if you normally hit for say 15-20 and sometimes a higher 25, this ability helps you hit for 25 more often.</DIV>

[tkemo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vladdax wrote:<BR>It's not blade flurry, you see that in the logs "You swipe..." and they seem to happen ALOT more when i usemark.<BR><BR>There's also in the options an option to select critcal hits a different color, I've never seen it happen so could jsut be them.<BR><BR>A dev comment would be nice jsut to let us know <P>Message Edited by Vladdax on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:10 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yes this is the attack.  I never saw swipe until today when I used Mark for the first time.

[Fee]

<DIV>I've been using this skill more often, and I believe I'm leaning over to where the ability makes the mob more vulnerable and lets you do higher damage to them. What I mean is that it's not a proc that happens, but that your normal skills have a chance to do more damage on the enemy. For how long? I'm not sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been testing this out a lot today on group mobs and have done my highest damage ever on all my skills when I've used it. I've had ebon blade hit in the 500+ range, Assassin blade in the 1k+ range, poisoners blade 200+ (sometimes 300+).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've never done 1k damage before in my playing all the way to level 33. Today alone I hit for 1k damage 6 times on varying levels of enemy (level 31 mobs up to level 3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I have the same buffs that I had before (one was even done solo on a 34 mob), same level skill as before, same weapons as before and same mobs. Nothing changed other then using assassins mark. I've noticed that my skills have a high chance of doing lots of damage if this skill is up (though I have no clue how long it lasts on the mob).</DIV>

[Trei]

The thing that bothers me is that while debuffs like Vex actually show up on maintained spell window, A.mark does not.I do sometimes feel that I hit for the higher spectrum of my damage range more often on marked targets, but there is no solid proof of the effect.

[Blondebea]

I disagree, swipe comes from blade flurry, and happens the same amount with or without assassin's mark. How do I know? Rangers do not have assassin's mark, or anything with a similar description. I beleive the explanation of unusually high melee hits in the 50+ range is correct. I believe assassin's mark is working properly, and am considering upgrading to adept 3, unless I find out that it is replaced by an upgrade type spell at higher level. Blondebeard 30 AssassinWolfenheart 25.9 RangerMistmoore

[Rylin1]

<DIV>I recently aquired Master 1 of assassins mark and I still have yet to see anything, I petitioned so we'll see if they say anything, doubt it though, in regards to some of those higher hits I hit those at times without assassins mark  placed. I would really like to see it on the maintained skills so you know as well as when you hit that vunerable spot it lets ya know something like You hit your targets vunerable spot or something to that extent.  Anyway my 2 cents worth.</DIV>

[BiggilusE]

<P>Well I got the skill this morning, and it MUST be bugged one way or another..</P> <P>It just won't trigger for me, but am I the only one to notice 'No eligible target' pop up?  Whether I'm in stealth, out of combat, in combat, at range, flanking, behind, I *always* get 'No eligible target' pop up.</P> <P>I've not noticed any extra hits or harder hits for it either during these fights, just riposting and Swiping do the extras on non-styled combat.  Not bothered with doing styles, hell I figure its broken and deserves no more of my time.</P> <P>Oh yea and it's at app 4 too, pre-made my 20-29 runes for twink's sake <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P> <P>Anyhow i /bugged it, but still yet to see a Dev response to this issue.. but then broken skills.. so many responses needed..</P>

[Outerspace]

The App4 is broken and you cannot even use it. You can use the others but they're still broken.