they nerfed adorns for multislot items

[Axor]

<DIV>well they did... on test notes:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>item adorned with a slot item will only be able to be worn on that slot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so they took us 30% dps in the best case, and now i have my amulet of foresworn [I cannot control my vocabulary]ed out... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>they should reimburse the adorn to us in that case, unadorning the item and giving it to us so we can sell it out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>=(</DIV>

[Memran]

Agreed they should refund the purchase cost, or allow us to sell again.<div></div>

[Auriak]

<div></div>That's wonderful.  <span>:smileysad:</span> Thankfully I haven't gotten around to adorning any multislot items yet, so thanks for pointing this out.<div></div>

[Memran]

Still on test, no panic yet<div></div>

[Saihung23]

<DIV><IMG src="http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/Saihung23/CcF_multipass.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Leeloo Dallas, Multislot</DIV>

[jrisley69]

actually 40%, that sash of py....... whatever it's called from nizara is Neck/waist<div></div>

[TerriBlades]

<P>Im going to post the same thing in this thread that I posted in the other.</P> <P>It was an exploit. You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </P>

[Zendi_Perma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <P>Im going to post the same thing in this thread that I posted in the other.</P> <P>It was an exploit. You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Boy, it must be tough to be so self-righteous all the time.   I bet you even cancelled your poisons early when they used to proc forever on one application.    Did you count the procs in your log?

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Zendi wrote:</P> <P>Boy, it must be tough to be so self-righteous all the time.   I bet you even cancelled your poisons early when they used to proc forever on one application.    Did you count the procs in your log?</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Upset much over this change? Or is it the fact that you knew it was exploiting and I just called you out on it?</P> <P>As for the posions... Nah I didnt cancel poisons early... I just didnt use them. Most of the PUG tanks I ran with couldnt hold aggro when I used poisons. Some of them had difficulties with just the offensive stance and the bow proc, so to ease thier pain, I ususally ran without poisons.</P>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zendi wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <P>Im going to post the same thing in this thread that I posted in the other.</P> <P>It was an exploit. You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Boy, it must be tough to be so self-righteous all the time.   I bet you even cancelled your poisons early when they used to proc forever on one application.    Did you count the procs in your log?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How many people actually count their procs on their poisons? When i first used poisons i didnt even notice the difference, however i did notice i was procing alot and the buff never faded but i never thought to stop and count how many times it procc'd, I wasnt intelligent enoguh to care, I'm a mechanic not a mathemitician or however you spell that. And by the way I wouldn't even be talking cause I'm sure you exploited that as well, i never bothered with the adornments cause i knew it was wrong and figured why waiste the money when they are just going to take it away, no reason to attack TerriBlades as she ahs been a huge help on these boards, if you wanna attack someone attack me.

[Wades]

<div><blockquote><hr>TerriBlades wrote:<div></div> <p><b>It was an exploit.</b> You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </p><hr></blockquote>Was it ? The same test patch note states 'exploit' for the tinkered boots jumps but not for this 'fix' on adornements. Hp/Mana were fixed quite quickly. Why change multislots items now ? With no refund ! Items will stay equiped but won't go to the lost slot if unequiped (Devs fix for this problem, rofl!).Some multislots items are interesting only because they are multislots. People spent time and money to get some and now a patch later, you may loose 2 to 3 items just like that. As a matter of fact, DT amulet for example doesn't loose its haste buff when equiped in wrist or neck, according to this it should!Kitting was an exploit, it's now part of our AA, you shouldn't use it. Raincaller stun proc is an exploit... the whole game is about exploiting... us</div>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wades wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <P><B>It was an exploit.</B> You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Was it ? The same test patch note states 'exploit' for the tinkered boots jumps but not for this 'fix' on adornements. Hp/Mana were fixed quite quickly. Why change multislots items now ? With no refund ! Items will stay equiped but won't go to the lost slot if unequiped (Devs fix for this problem, rofl!).<BR>Some multislots items are interesting only because they are multislots. People spent time and money to get some and now a patch later, you may loose 2 to 3 items just like that. As a matter of fact, DT amulet for example doesn't loose its haste buff when equiped in wrist or neck, according to this it should!<BR><BR>Kitting was an exploit, it's now part of our AA, you shouldn't use it. Raincaller stun proc is an exploit... the whole game is about exploiting... us<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Please explain to me how kiting was an exploit? It was introduced by the GMs in EQ1 and is still a part of EQ by continuing in EQ2, you really think they made snare so you can make a good getaway? HA!

[Wades]

I can remember a time when you could kitte quite easily with on the move CA's, now only two work that way (one needing to be behind, the other to be stealth)... So based on the concept of 'you-knew-it-was-an-exploit', we are not supposed to run around our foes, we can guess that the LU that introduced those changes was meant to avoid ranger kitting. 10 LU's now GU's later, many AA's are allowing us to be better at kitting, since a dev may have noticed that we can't tank a mob.Anyhow stating that adorning neck/wrist items with neck adornements for exemple, was an exploit and that we were aware of it doing it!Adornements won't be de-adorned and not refunded, meaning that as long as you keep the items 'technically illegaly equiped' (dev says) it will work but as soon as you un-equiped it, it will only be used in the adornement specific slot. You'll have to BUY another proper adornement to change slot and another to change it again! They refunded plats for mana/hp items for level 1 and 10 adornements that cost nothing to craft and will leave illegaly equiped items into the game, until one day you log with 'your inventory is overflowing' and all your wrong sloted items un-equiped (sure not with GU31 or 32 but some time soon after people are cooler).We should stop using Raincaller also.<div></div>

[Zendi_Perma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Zendi wrote:</P> <P>Boy, it must be tough to be so self-righteous all the time.   I bet you even cancelled your poisons early when they used to proc forever on one application.    Did you count the procs in your log?</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Upset much over this change? Or is it the fact that you knew it was exploiting and I just called you out on it?</P> <P>As for the posions... Nah I didnt cancel poisons early... I just didnt use them. Most of the PUG tanks I ran with couldnt hold aggro when I used poisons. Some of them had difficulties with just the offensive stance and the bow proc, so to ease thier pain, I ususally ran without poisons.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'll survive any change.    I just think your pompous "I told you so" attitude is hilarious and I was making fun of you, that is all.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Zendi_Perma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zendi wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <P>Im going to post the same thing in this thread that I posted in the other.</P> <P>It was an exploit. You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Boy, it must be tough to be so self-righteous all the time.   I bet you even cancelled your poisons early when they used to proc forever on one application.    Did you count the procs in your log?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How many people actually count their procs on their poisons? When i first used poisons i didnt even notice the difference, however i did notice i was procing alot and the buff never faded but i never thought to stop and count how many times it procc'd, I wasnt intelligent enoguh to care, I'm a mechanic not a mathemitician or however you spell that. And by the way I wouldn't even be talking cause I'm sure you exploited that as well, i never bothered with the adornments cause i knew it was wrong and figured why waiste the money when they are just going to take it away, no reason to attack TerriBlades as she ahs been a huge help on these boards, if you wanna attack someone attack me.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That, sir, was sarcasm if you didn't recognize it.      And to my later point, you can be helpful without chastising people like schoolkids.     And for the record, I don't think the adornment thing was an exploit, they are just changing where you can equip the item, no big deal.

[Teksun]

I had no doubt that they were going to 'fix' it... I am curious to see how much ya'll lose though (I haven't been abale to afford adornments yet)<div></div>

[Serventof Wrath]

<P>Funny how in BETA when this was brought up it was "working as intended" because SOE at that time couldn't code it to restrict it to the proper slot on multi slot items.  And now that they have figured out how to code it we get a whole chorus of "you cheaters knew it was an exploit now sit there and suffer" when it was never an exploit.  It was a short coming of SOE's development staff that  they themselves said was "working as intended" since BETA.  They have now figured out how to code it properly it is not the fix to an exploit it is a progression in software development :smileytongue:</P> <P>Now i just wish they would remember what they did for players when they changed the hit point/mana adornments by unadorning the item and refunding the players.  Instead of the current posted plan that states you can continue to wear the adornment in the incorrect slot as long as you never unequip the item.  Once the item is unequiped it will then only be usable in the new "correct slot."  God forbid you ever need to change equipment for resists.</P> <P>But remember it wasn't a fix to an exploit its the beauty of software progression.....</P>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zendi wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zendi wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <P>Im going to post the same thing in this thread that I posted in the other.</P> <P>It was an exploit. You knew it was an exploit. Wearing a multi-slot item on your wrist, with an adornment for your neck = exploit. Everyone knew it. Thats why I never bothered with it. Extra DPS or not. So since you had to know you were bending the rules, there should be no refund for anyone that used this method as a way to gain DPS. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Boy, it must be tough to be so self-righteous all the time.   I bet you even cancelled your poisons early when they used to proc forever on one application.    Did you count the procs in your log?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How many people actually count their procs on their poisons? When i first used poisons i didnt even notice the difference, however i did notice i was procing alot and the buff never faded but i never thought to stop and count how many times it procc'd, I wasnt intelligent enoguh to care, I'm a mechanic not a mathemitician or however you spell that. And by the way I wouldn't even be talking cause I'm sure you exploited that as well, i never bothered with the adornments cause i knew it was wrong and figured why waiste the money when they are just going to take it away, no reason to attack TerriBlades as she ahs been a huge help on these boards, if you wanna attack someone attack me.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That, sir, was sarcasm if you didn't recognize it.      And to my later point, you can be helpful without chastising people like schoolkids.     And for the record, I don't think the adornment thing was an exploit, they are just changing where you can equip the item, no big deal.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>For a second there I thought I was posting this stuff on some thing called a message board and not talking to you in person, OH WAIT I am posting on a message board, thats interesting, sarcasm comes with a tone of voice, seeingas you can't place a tone of voice on plain ol words without making it completely obviously clear just like i did there you can't tell its sarcasm, might wanna make it more noticeable next or just don't do it helps, and you say I'm chastising people like a schoolkid, well what are you doing here?</P> <P>Now just to edumacate you guys about this exploit thing let me tell ya  a little something just in case, cause honestly I think you guys have no clue what exploit even means. Sure the GMs said it was working as best as it could for now when they first figured out the problem, now see here what they did, they told you guys about and even gave you a warning that it will be fixed. Now you guys took the information that they gave you and put on this equipment even tho it wasn't how it was supposed to be. You guys paid money out of pocket for these new adornments and there was even alot of people across the servers telling people about this, you see thats what makes it an exploit, you took the info they gave you and used it instead of saying ok now that I know this doesnt work correctly then i wont use it. Now you guys are complaining cause you EXPLOITED the problem and wore the multislot adornments anyways and even paid good money for it, and now you want a refund, Good luck with that. You're better off purposely jumping off a cliff then asking them to get rid of your exp debt. </P>

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR> <BR> <P><BR>For a second there I thought I was posting this stuff on some thing called a message board and not talking to you in person, OH WAIT I am posting on a message board, thats interesting, sarcasm comes with a tone of voice, seeingas you can't place a tone of voice on plain ol words without making it completely obviously clear just like i did there you can't tell its sarcasm, might wanna make it more noticeable next or just don't do it helps, and you say I'm chastising people like a schoolkid, well what are you doing here?</P> <P>Now just to edumacate you guys about this exploit thing let me tell ya  a little something just in case, cause honestly I think you guys have no clue what exploit even means. Sure the GMs said it was working as best as it could for now when they first figured out the problem, now see here what they did, they told you guys about and even gave you a warning that it will be fixed. Now you guys took the information that they gave you and put on this equipment even tho it wasn't how it was supposed to be. You guys paid money out of pocket for these new adornments and there was even alot of people across the servers telling people about this, you see thats what makes it an exploit, you took the info they gave you and used it instead of saying ok now that I know this doesnt work correctly then i wont use it. Now you guys are complaining cause you EXPLOITED the problem and wore the multislot adornments anyways and even paid good money for it, and now you want a refund, Good luck with that. You're better off purposely jumping off a cliff then asking them to get rid of your exp debt.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sorry maybe you should stick to sarcasm...</P> <P>Let me say this again...</P> <P>In BETA it was brought to the dev's attention what could be done with adornments and multi slot items.  At that time we were told it was working as intended.  We were not told it is working as intended until we can fix it but that (and I'll use big bold letters to make this point clear) <STRONG>IT WAS WORKING AS INTENDED</STRONG>. </P> <P>Now why was it working as intended?  Could it be they were just to lazy to go fix the coding at that point?  Were they too busy fixing other bugs that this didn't really matter to them?  I don't know why they chose to ignore the issue but they did and again their answer at the time was <STRONG>IT WAS WORKING AS INTENDED.</STRONG></P> <P>Now they have changed their minds or figured out how to restrict it to one slot only.  Either way it does not change the fact they (the devs) themselves said <STRONG>IT WAS WORKING AS INTENDED</STRONG> since BETA.</P> <P>Asking that when the change goes into effect that they unadorn the item (as they have done in the past) and place the adornment into the players inventory is not, imho, asking too much.  If they wish to add a couple plat as well I doubt anyone who has these adornments would mind as well.</P>

[Zendi_Perma]

<DIV>/sarcasmoff (hope that helps)    oops, that should have been /sacasmon maybe.. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The other fix so you can't put symbol adornments on daggers, shields, bows, etc is a good fix and I think that does come *closer* to my definition of exploit.</DIV>

[TerriBlades]

<P>All of you are missing the point. The adornment should have only been worn on the <STRONG><U>neck.</U></STRONG>  If they wanted you to be able to put a DPS adornment on your waist, they would have made one, if they wanted you to wear a DPS adornment on your wrist, they would have made one. They didnt, you found a loop hole and you took advantage of that. Its cut and dry. By no means what so ever should you be refunded for this.</P> <P>As for the poster that said the GMs said it was "Working as Intended".. Are you serious? You do realize how many times that very same statement has be made fun of? </P> <P>"Working as Intended"(tm) is code for "I dont know what the hell is wrong with it, and I cant fix it"</P> <P>Need I remind you that Lockeye ( I believe ) came into the forums and pretty much said there was nothing wrong with rangers? IE we were working as intended? Even had the Parse to prove it? haha </P> <P>You'll have to do better then "a gm told me it was working as intended"... and if in fact, it was working as intended, they why would they bother to change it now? Which only further proves the point about how jacked up that statement is.. So then next time you hear that from a GM, rest assured he is totally clueless on the matter at hand.</P>

[Zendi_Perma]

<DIV>They are popping the items into your overflow now, please let this thread die....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <P>All of you are missing the point. The adornment should have only been worn on the <STRONG><U>neck.</U></STRONG>  If they wanted you to be able to put a DPS adornment on your waist, they would have made one, if they wanted you to wear a DPS adornment on your wrist, they would have made one. They didnt, you found a loop hole and you took advantage of that. Its cut and dry. By no means what so ever should you be refunded for this.</P> <P>As for the poster that said the GMs said it was "Working as Intended".. Are you serious? You do realize how many times that very same statement has be made fun of? </P> <P>"Working as Intended"(tm) is code for "I dont know what the hell is wrong with it, and I cant fix it"</P> <P>Need I remind you that Lockeye ( I believe ) came into the forums and pretty much said there was nothing wrong with rangers? IE we were working as intended? Even had the Parse to prove it? haha </P> <P>You'll have to do better then "a gm told me it was working as intended"... and if in fact, it was working as intended, they why would they bother to change it now? Which only further proves the point about how jacked up that statement is.. So then next time you hear that from a GM, rest assured he is totally clueless on the matter at hand.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Autenil wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hi all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We will go ahead and pop off all of the Adornments that change equipment slots of the items they're attached to.  They will show up in your overflow slot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Joshua "Autenil" Kriegshauser<BR>Senior Programmer, EverQuest II<BR>Sony Online Entertainment </DIV><BR> <HR> <BR>All I was saying was that from BETA until just recently they said it was working as intended and that since they were now changing that, they should atleast remove the adornments just as they have done it the past.  Thank you SOE.

[Saihung23]

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