A question for non hardcore raiding rangers

[Deaudlus]

I am currently lvling a ranger.  My main is a lvl 45 swashie but after playing him to 45 there doesnt seem to be much varitey to class, Seems like it is basicly "Spam every CA I have and then wait for them to refresh".  At least with ranger there seems to be a decent amount of postitioning and moving at least.    I am a bit of a forum troll so I've spent a good deal of time reading the various posts on the ranger boards.  The theme I seem to see alot is that to really be top DPS you need a tier 8 ammo summoning board and a 100+DR Bow.  Now the thing about that as it applies to me is that it really doesnt apply to me.  Most of the people sayiing that are hardcore raiding rangers.  I'm not and probably never will be.  My guild is small and raids maybe once or twice every couple weeks.  We arent doing the "high end" content, just stuff like labs.  So my question is this.  How am I going to do DPS wise since prety much everyone else well be geard similiar to me (IE no full fabled).  Best bow I will probably ever get my hands on is rain caller.  I will be able to afford tier 8 ammo because we raid so little.  With those specs (And seeing how other will probably be geard about as good as I) Will I still be parsing in the top 5 or can the scouts make better use of not quite so good gear and pass me up unless I can get the uber gear?Thanks for any advice!<div></div>

[Judist]

<P>Tier 8 ammo isnt something to afford, it comes from 2 different fabled bows that drop in Deathtoll.</P> <P>Anyhow, make sure and hang onto the "Ghostly Bow of Bylze" you'll get from the early claymore series. Its a very nice bow. With Bylze or Raincaller and good timing you can push about 1k DPS on most fights.</P> <P>If you get all your masters and REALLY learn you timing you can push past 1.2K+ DPS. This will put you in the top-3 easilly in most very casual raiding guilds (1-2 raids every 2 weeks). Thats just a guess, but you can use those numbers and have someone parse your next labraid, then compare to see where you will be sitting.</P> <P> </P>

[Badaxe Ba]

Actually, if you are in your 40-50 range, you are probably not raiding labs.  Maybe spirits of the lost or such.  I think the best you can do atm is use the best quality arrows you can afford during a raid, keep your autoattack hitting as frequently as possible, and upgrade your CA's as best you can. 

[Caliga]

If you can even afford mastercrafted you'll be parsing at the top or near the top.  Don't worry, the only way you'll look bad is if everyone in your guild is tricked out in fabled which you already mentioned is not the case.<div></div>

[Gnome mercy]

My piece of advice, there are some rangers on here who do this thing called burst dps, all it is is shoot off every CA you can in less tha a minute, but thats how your dps drops badly, first off if you burn every CA sure you are doing really good dps for the first 1 minute of the fight but what are you going to have to use the next fight? Its really unintelligent, all you need to do is time your CAs between your auto attack, what I do is fire 1 CA then let auto attack go and time the rest to be perfect, don't delay your auto attack at all or you will loose dps, make sure you time your CAs perfectly to go inbetween your autoattack and dont burst dps unless all you wanna do is autoattack for 2 minutes before your good CAs come back. basically all i got to give you. Just figure out what works best for you then go with it

[Arleonenis]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gnome mercy wrote:<div></div>My piece of advice, there are some rangers on here who do this thing called burst dps, all it is is shoot off every CA you can in less tha a minute, but thats how your dps drops badly, first off if you burn every CA sure you are doing really good dps for the first 1 minute of the fight but what are you going to have to use the next fight? Its really unintelligent, all you need to do is time your CAs between your auto attack, what I do is fire 1 CA then let auto attack go and time the rest to be perfect, don't delay your auto attack at all or you will loose dps, make sure you time your CAs perfectly to go inbetween your autoattack and dont burst dps unless all you wanna do is autoattack for 2 minutes before your good CAs come back. basically all i got to give you. Just figure out what works best for you then go with it<hr></blockquote>well it really depend about encounter and situationway to use burst damage effectively is to use it when your focus aim is running than you dont "waste" anything you gain dps as most of your specials and auto attacks in between is crits, after you done that burst you turn on your master killing instinct and a3 honed reflex (you should than have your dps/haste close to cap, i suppose you have your haste permanently around 70 points?) and let auto attacks flow, very effective if you have focus line maxed out in AAs, when your friendly killing instinct run out you can hit mob with ranged blade for fun but not really necesary if you have outside dps buff/decent bow<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> in that time quite a few your AAs should be already refreshed, use them with focus aim that should be already refreshed or be close too at this point named epic in your raid should really be dead or be close to this blessed state, than you can cruise on trash mobs (timing of CAs)and to dps atm im around 1k without any fabled equipment (slightly lower if i use regular poisons instead of grandmaster) in group that isnt very well balanced buff wise (with very nice group parse could go up by 200 points easily)and about uninteligent... sorry pall i saw to many rangers that was so below me on parse in labs that it wasnt even funny and most of them was oh so sure of they dps when they saw i use 1hander weapon and shield... and they didnt even showed up on parse so dont dismiss anyone tactics from begining if you dont know how and when it is used and how effective it is as this isnt polite or very accurate if you dont know exactly how it work<div></div><p>Message Edited by Arleonenis on <span class=date_text>01-26-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:33 PM</span>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arleonenis wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR> My piece of advice, there are some rangers on here who do this thing called burst dps, all it is is shoot off every CA you can in less tha a minute, but thats how your dps drops badly, first off if you burn every CA sure you are doing really good dps for the first 1 minute of the fight but what are you going to have to use the next fight? Its really unintelligent, all you need to do is time your CAs between your auto attack, what I do is fire 1 CA then let auto attack go and time the rest to be perfect, don't delay your auto attack at all or you will loose dps, make sure you time your CAs perfectly to go inbetween your autoattack and dont burst dps unless all you wanna do is autoattack for 2 minutes before your good CAs come back. basically all i got to give you. Just figure out what works best for you then go with it<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>well it really depend about encounter and situation<BR><BR>way to use burst damage effectively is to use it when your focus aim is running than you dont "waste" anything you gain dps as most of your specials and auto attacks in between is crits, after you done that burst you turn on your master killing instinct and a3 honed reflex (you should than have your dps/haste close to cap, i suppose you have your haste permanently around 70 points?) and let auto attacks flow, very effective if you have focus line maxed out in AAs, when your friendly killing instinct run out you can hit mob with ranged blade for fun but not really necesary if you have outside dps buff/decent bow<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> in that time quite a few your AAs should be already refreshed, use them with focus aim that should be already refreshed or be close too at this point named epic in your raid should really be dead or be close to this blessed state, than you can cruise on trash mobs (timing of CAs)<BR><BR><BR>and to dps atm im around 1k without any fabled equipment (slightly lower if i use regular poisons instead of grandmaster) in group that isnt very well balanced buff wise (with very nice group parse could go up by 200 points easily)<BR><BR>and about uninteligent... sorry pall i saw to many rangers that was so below me on parse in labs that it wasnt even funny and most of them was oh so sure of they dps when they saw i use 1hander weapon and shield... and they didnt even showed up on parse so dont dismiss anyone tactics from begining if you dont know how and when it is used and how effective it is as this isnt polite or very accurate if you dont know exactly how it work<BR> <P>Message Edited by Arleonenis on <SPAN class=date_text>01-26-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh yeah lets take this last piece of advice here and put it into your own words, How long does focus aim last? 15 seconds I think it was, you can get maybe 3 CAs out of 9ish. Thats not a burst, you still got 6 good ones left, and honestly, never burst its pointless and uses way too many arrows, cycle through all your CAs in a decent manner, sure when you focus aim buff is on go ahead but when its down dont waste the power/arrows/time to burst. Get your facts right then run at me with a few more ideas to be considered REAL burst dps. I'd like to see someone burst on an epic mob and end up with good dps or at least alive