tarinax down! omg he dropped bazkul!

[shiala]

<DIV>then the dkp bidding begins...........</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>outbid after goin "all in"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>by a assassin and a SK ya you heard right an SK</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>why is this, argueably the best ranger bow in KoS, even usable by anyone but an ranger like we havent suffered enough in 2 plus years of nerfs [Removed for Content]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>xzander 70 ranger (deleted)</DIV> <DIV>jueng 70 monk (deleted)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>GREED B4 NEED ..........EXCHANGE SERVER FTL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>think twice b4 rolling or transfering to bizarre, you havent seen greed until youve been here</DIV>

[Fonrian]

Hmm....I wouldn't ever wanna pay for my gear, so...np.

[Judist]

<P>I saw a guard w/ sarnak once. I asked if he had any rangers in the guild w/o it... he said he needed it for stronger pulls.</P> <P>Glad hes using it for 1 shot per fight if even that. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Koibito]

<DIV>then your leaders are morons allowing free bidding on an item to any class like that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>also</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>my opinion sarnak is a better bow. all bazkul is to me is to provide free t8 legendary ammo. use that ammo with sarnak. now that is what owns.</DIV>

[Jaack Daniels]

<DIV>OMG you got screwed. And I agree your guild leaders are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]in morons along with any other guild that would lay this in the hands of a tank over their ranger for "stronger pulls".</DIV>

[Nulad]

Your guild leaders suck.Gutted for you <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Azrael_888]

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] DELETED his toons on the exchange server....Shoulda put em up on SE dude to try and get some money to fill in that empty hole that your guild leaders sucked out of you for allowing a SK (even an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]) to win one of the top 3 bows in the game.  Weak.<div></div>

[shiala]

<P>ya i deleted my toons, so i can say goodbye to this game once and for all. In over 2 years ie never seen so much greed from people like it is now. I followed a rl friend to this server (reluctantly) and never bought or sold a toon. My main characters were trapped here and forever tainted as EXCHANGE.did i mention the people who outbid me are prepping there toons for sale on exchange...figures.what a waste of a bazkul </P> <P> </P> <P>o well i hope vanguard is a better game, and ill never go to an exchange server again for any reason.</P> <P> </P>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>shiala wrote:<div></div> <p>ya i deleted my toons, so i can say goodbye to this game once and for all. In over 2 years ie never seen so much greed from people like it is now. I followed a rl friend to this server (reluctantly) and never bought or sold a toon. My main characters were trapped here and forever tainted as EXCHANGE.did i mention the people who outbid me are prepping there toons for sale on exchange...figures.what a waste of a bazkul </p> <p>o well i hope vanguard is a better game, and ill never go to an exchange server again for any reason.</p> <hr></blockquote>Why dont you try a normal server before leaving the game. I know my guild would never allow anything like that and most of the groups I get into on Everfrost are always run NBG.</div>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shiala wrote:<BR> <P>ya i deleted my toons, so i can say goodbye to this game once and for all. In over 2 years ie never seen so much greed from people like it is now. I followed a rl friend to this server (reluctantly) and never bought or sold a toon. My main characters were trapped here and forever tainted as EXCHANGE.did i mention the people who outbid me are prepping there toons for sale on exchange...figures.what a waste of a bazkul </P> <P> </P> <P>o well i hope vanguard is a better game, and ill never go to an exchange server again for any reason.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You should try another server, come to BB they always run NBG on anything and everything, thats how i was eq raised

[Taubin]

<div><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>shiala wrote:<div></div> <p>ya i deleted my toons, so i can say goodbye to this game once and for all. In over 2 years ie never seen so much greed from people like it is now. I followed a rl friend to this server (reluctantly) and never bought or sold a toon. My main characters were trapped here and forever tainted as EXCHANGE.did i mention the people who outbid me are prepping there toons for sale on exchange...figures.what a waste of a bazkul </p> <p>o well i hope vanguard is a better game, and ill never go to an exchange server again for any reason.</p> <hr></blockquote>Why dont you try a normal server before leaving the game. I know my guild would never allow anything like that and most of the groups I get into on Everfrost are always run NBG.</div><hr></blockquote>I've only been in one group that was not NBG.  I have played my toon for almost 2 years, and only had 1 item drop that was looted that I could use that was no-drop.  It was an honest mistake before the game asked for confirmation for no-drop items.  It was a guildie that accidently clicked lotto.  I forgave him, no biggie.  But, for someone to loot a bow like this for "stronger pulls"... yeah... I would find a new guild and/or server. Just my 2cp</div>

[Zholain]

<FONT size=2>Aye, what they said.  New server & new guild.  There are too many fun things to enjoy and too many nice people to meet in EQ2 to allow some jerks to run you off.</FONT>

[Fonrian]

Come to pvp tbh.

[Graven55]

<P>It's pretty lame, there are, basically 3 (maybe 4) bows in the game that are worthy of Raid DPS.  They are all on Zone boss level (or higher) mobs, and are part of huge loot tables.</P> <P>We've killed Tarinax 8 or 9 times now and seen Bazkul once (outbid by an Assassin...of course), Venekor like 15 times and seen one of his bows (Outbid again).  That's just way too rare...(We haven't had a shot at the Matron, and haven't hit EH yet, where I know there is one chance at a decent bow).</P> <P>Rangers (like myself also) in DKP guilds get the shaft.  Unfortunately, the way a lot of DKP guilds work is high bid wins, and some people don't have the conscience to put the need of the guild ahead of their need to [Removed for Content] out their character that last little bit.</P> <P>It was bad enough competing with the warriors and other scouts, now adding in crusaders has made it even more ridiculous.</P> <P>I understand they don't want to overload the game with bows, but adding more bow-using classes to the game and but not really bumping the availablity of top-tier bows is just stupid.  There are a gazillion USELESS 2h weapons on loot tables out there, seems like every raid mob drops a couple 2hers, but nothing for bows outside of a few select mobs.  2hers rot endlessly on our raids these days (or are picked up as a 3rd or 4th option by some SK or Paladin)  and we have 2 rangers using the stupid Wurm Destroyer Bow out of Labs (or sometims the crappy tier 6 HQ bow).</P> <P>SONY YOU NEED TO ADD MORE TOP TIER BOWS TO THE GAME!</P> <P>While your at it, add more legendary bows to the loot tables in high end heroic zones too, mid-tier players deserve better than Grizzlefazzle....</P>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Graven55 wrote:<BR> <P>It's pretty lame, there are, basically 3 (maybe 4) bows in the game that are worthy of Raid DPS.  They are all on Zone boss level (or higher) mobs, and are part of huge loot tables.</P> <P>We've killed Tarinax 8 or 9 times now and seen Bazkul once (outbid by an Assassin...of course), Venekor like 15 times and seen one of his bows (Outbid again).  That's just way too rare...(We haven't had a shot at the Matron, and haven't hit EH yet, where I know there is one chance at a decent bow).</P> <P>Rangers (like myself also) in DKP guilds get the shaft.  Unfortunately, the way a lot of DKP guilds work is high bid wins, and some people don't have the conscience to put the need of the guild ahead of their need to [Removed for Content] out their character that last little bit.</P> <P>It was bad enough competing with the warriors and other scouts, now adding in crusaders has made it even more ridiculous.</P> <P>I understand they don't want to overload the game with bows, but adding more bow-using classes to the game and but not really bumping the availablity of top-tier bows is just stupid.  There are a gazillion USELESS 2h weapons on loot tables out there, seems like every raid mob drops a couple 2hers, but nothing for bows outside of a few select mobs.  2hers rot endlessly on our raids these days (or are picked up as a 3rd or 4th option by some SK or Paladin)  and we have 2 rangers using the stupid Wurm Destroyer Bow out of Labs (or sometims the crappy tier 6 HQ bow).</P> <P>SONY YOU NEED TO ADD MORE TOP TIER BOWS TO THE GAME!</P> <P>While your at it, add more legendary bows to the loot tables in high end heroic zones too, mid-tier players deserve better than Grizzlefazzle....</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>A couple of thoughts come to mind....</P> <P>1) You choose to be in a DKP guild, one apparently filled with jerks to boot, so live with it.</P> <P>2) Have you ever approached the guild officers with a slight modification to the DKP rules?  Some DKP systems allow the officers to declare a restricted bid for special "class defining" items...that could include your bow.</P> <P>3) If I was in a DKP guild with non-ranger jerks who would try to outbid me for a Bazkul/Ichorstrand or Sarnak Bow, and I was convinced that one of these bows was the most important thing I could get to improve my character, I might conclude I should take personal responsibility and save up my DKP to ensure I would have more DKP than the jerks were willing to spend.  But hey, that's just me I guess.</P> <P>4) There are some decent alternatives to Sarnak and the EoF bows...the Heartsingers come to mind.</P> <P>5) If a ranger isn't raiding, why does he/she need significantly better legendary bows?  Grizzfazzle or Raincaller would be fine for them.</P> <P>6) One Bazkul out of 8 or 9 Tarinax kills is a pretty good drop rate.  Why do you think it's out of line?  Because you lost a DKP bid?  That's not SoEs problem...that's yours.  I've killed Tarinax somewhere between 35-45 times.  I've seen 3 or maybe 4 Bazkuls drop.  I've also seen 3 or 4 Ichorstrands drop.  Even in a guild such as yours, I expect that you will get one eventually.  The timing on when you get one will be up to you and your guildmates...if you put in the effort.</P>

[Jayad]

Errr why wouldn't your guild make such a bow a priority for Rangers, if they didn't have equivalent bows already?

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> Errr why wouldn't your guild make such a bow a priority for Rangers, if they didn't have equivalent bows already?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You'd be surprised to find out how many guilds don't give Rangers priority on bows.

[shiala]

<P>imo raid guilds dont give priority of bows to rangers is because they dont understand the mechanics of the ranger class.</P> <P> </P> <P>1. arrows, do they know that rangers use 1 to 1.5 K arrows per raid and it costs a plat or more a day to raid?</P> <P>assassins use how many maybe 1 stack if that ? a tank may use a stack in what a few months?</P> <P>bazkul and ichor are a fix for that problem( not a good one imo cause you have to be able to clear deathtoll to get em )</P> <P> </P> <P>2. damage rating, do they know that it only affects auto attack damage, do u want your assassins not using theyre CAs and doing  a third the dps they should be?</P> <P> </P> <P>i was using a raincaller/grizz...DR75ish.....id like to see a assassin make top 3-4 on the parse with 2 DR 38 daggers , whats that maybe ebon i forget lol</P> <P> </P> <P>anyways there should be more bows in the loot tables,period, they are so rare guilds dont even know how to react when 1 drops</P><p>Message Edited by shiala on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:15 PM</span>

[LyricDawnhag]

<P>Don't judge the whole game based on one special purpuse server.  You talk about seeing greed in a game.  You are playing on a server where every single drop you win is REAL money in the bank.  So I can see where people will bid on stuff like that.  Think how much more the winner's character is worth with that bow that before.  It is all about the money.  That is the purpose of the Exchange servers.</P> <P>Come over to one of the regular servers and try the real game.  You will find you are playing with a much different type of people.  Quite a few of us are here for fun rather than making a profit.</P> <P> </P>

[SirStike]

<P>LOL  </P> <P>You left out all the important parts  to make it sound more like a sob story..</P> <P>1) The SK was not allowed to bid,  are you crazy!  Yeah he tried,  but not allowed. </P> <P>2) A Friend of yours won it,  an assasin,  who also does ranged dps,  and alot of it.  Not quite as much as rangers,  but enough to see him winning it was justified in a DKP system.</P> <P>3) You were in guild for a little over a week,  and expected to win everything....sounds like the SE greed to me!   </P> <P>4) Did you also tell them you looted a tank wrist piece the mob before it,  but was overlooked because almost all your gear was [Removed for Content].</P> <P>So on behalf of the guild,  glad you didnt win,  because anyone who would bash a friend winning a piece that increases his dps as well is pretty much a low life imo considering you put a game item over a friendship..  pretty weak...  </P> <P> </P>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SirStike wrote:<BR> <P>2) A Friend of yours won it,  <FONT color=#ff0000>an assasin,  who also does ranged dps,  and alot of it</FONT>.  Not quite as much as rangers,  but enough to see him winning it was justified in a DKP system.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>An assassin that does alot of Ranged fighting? Time to get a new assassin. Assassins dont require ranged anything to put up strong numbers, in fact, I would venture to bet he'd post higher numbers without any ranged at all. Seems to me like you're trying to make yourself feel better. Any bow of that calibur or better should ALWAYS, fall into the hands of any ranger that doesnt have one already. And the guild leaders should know this. Why? Well that one bow, will change the dps output from 800-1200, to 1600+. Improving the RAIDS dps overall, should always be a priority, and that would have been a huge chunk right there.</P> <P>You can slice it and dice it anyways you want. Giving that bow to anyone over a ranger without a good bow is stupid. Bazkul and Sarnaks dont rain from the sky like 2hders. It'll be some time before you see another. Good job on shooting your raid in the foot though. Two thumbs up.</P>

[SirStike]

<DIV>Thats interesting considering there is mobs in EoF that require considerable amount of jousting = ranged fighting.  And yes,  have seen our assassins do over 1.5K dps ranged in those situations.  But I guess Rangers do alot more than that, but yes again,  would give it to a loyal assassin over a week in guild ranger who didnt really care about anything anyway.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SirStike wrote:<BR> <DIV>Thats interesting considering there is mobs in EoF that require considerable amount of jousting = ranged fighting.  <FONT color=#ff0000>And yes,  have seen our assassins do over 1.5K dps ranged in those situations</FONT>.  But I guess Rangers do alot more than that, but yes again,  would give it to a loyal assassin over a week in guild ranger who didnt really care about anything anyway.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Now I know you're full of it. 1.5 dps ranged? haha okay.. Thats gotta be one hell of an auto attack they got then. I know its not the 3 ranged attacks the assassins get thats putting him that high. Considering that rangers have to use all their ranged attacks, AND melee attacks (without a decent bow) to get 1.2-1.4 and we have 3-4 times the ranged attacks that assassins have. With that bow, a ranger should easily post over 1.6 and that using ALL their CAs, not just ranged attacks. </P> <P>Thanks for proving my point though. You honestly dont have a clue. Per your own words, you've proven that fact. But seeing as how you let the bow go to someone that wouldnt get the most use out of it, we already knew that fact. Its your raid, run it as you see fit.... but as far as I can tell, thats going to be your biggest downfall. Cause you dont understand the basics behind classes. Your loss.. enjoy "pwning" those KoS zones. I cant see you, or your guild doing well in EoF raids with that type of leadership.. or lack there of.<BR></P>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SirStike wrote:<BR> <DIV>Thats interesting considering there is mobs in EoF that require considerable amount of jousting = ranged fighting.  And yes,  have seen our assassins do over 1.5K dps ranged in those situations.  But I guess Rangers do alot more than that, but yes again,  would give it to a loyal assassin over a week in guild ranger who didnt really care about anything anyway.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm sorry but i halfto completely luagh in your face, *Laughs in SirStike's face* First off let me clarify this, if you EVER see an assassin parse a 1.5kdps with JUST ranged attacks then tell that GM to stop raiding with you guys. Second off rangers have what 10 ranged attacks not including any AA attacks or attacks thereof. Assassins have what 4 if their lucky? Man you gotta be [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ting me.

[Dragonsword]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shiala wrote:<BR> <DIV>then the dkp bidding begins...........</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>outbid after goin "all in"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>by a assassin and a SK ya you heard right an SK</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>why is this, argueably the best ranger bow in KoS, even usable by anyone but an ranger like we havent suffered enough in 2 plus years of nerfs [Removed for Content]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>xzander 70 ranger (deleted)</DIV> <DIV>jueng 70 monk (deleted)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>GREED B4 NEED ..........EXCHANGE SERVER FTL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>think twice b4 rolling or transfering to bizarre, you havent seen greed until youve been here</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I am on the Bizzarre and in a Raiding Guild, there is no way my guild would allow that to happen, as  a ranger it is tools of trade, yes you where in a bad guild, bad things happen on this Server the same as any other, we even have other people able to log toons in case we are not there, for class specific gear it would be given to the person who would use it the most to benefit the raid, then others would bid if it wasnt needed. You might have competition if there was more than one ranger but bidding would be for rangers only.

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>SirStike wrote:<div></div> <p>LOL  </p> <p>You left out all the important parts  to make it sound more like a sob story..</p> <p>1) The SK was not allowed to bid,  are you crazy!  Yeah he tried,  but not allowed. </p> <p>2) A Friend of yours won it,  an assasin,  who also does ranged dps,  and alot of it.  Not quite as much as rangers,  but enough to see him winning it was justified in a DKP system.</p> <p>3) <font size="4">You were in guild for a little over a week</font>,  and expected to win everything....sounds like the SE greed to me!   </p> <p>4) Did you also tell them you <font size="4">looted a tank wrist piece the mob before it</font>,  but was overlooked because almost all your gear was [Removed for Content].</p> <p>So on behalf of the guild,  glad you didnt win,  because anyone who would bash a friend winning a piece that increases his dps as well is pretty much a low life imo considering you put a game item over a friendship..  pretty weak...  </p> <hr></blockquote>Those two little additions make all the difference. Someone new to the guild and already getting good loot would probably not get 'more' over some one who had been in the guild a while. Thre are a LOT of guild jumpers out there. Why would you want to outfit some one who very well could leave your guild in a month over some one who has helped you get that far in the first place?Can a Ranger use it better? No doubt!! But only if he is in your guild, on your raids.</div>

[ridd]

<P>I dont think he should have gotten it either. If has been in the guild just a week, that doesnt entitle him to the best loot. Yes he can put it to best uses, but he hasn't been there long enough to show hes worth the guild investing that bow into him. There is a guild on my server that gives recruits and new members the same loot rights and sometimes higher than long time members, and guess what, they have a real high turnover rate. People get what they want and bail. My guild I was recruit for 2 weeks had 100% raid attendance raiding 4-5 days a week for 4-5 hours a day. I did a good job, earned my stripes and now enjoy the spoils of victory. </P> <P> I played a ranger and betrayed to an assassin so i see it from both sides. The rangers needs it to maxmize their potential, but he has not put in the time. The assassin can't do range dps like a ranger, but then again they can't summon arrows, and I personally spend about 2+pp a week in arrows because a lof of EoF does have you do jousting. </P>

[Jayad]

IMO it's just too rare of a drop to mess around with it, but you can certainly see it both ways.  We've had a bunch of bows drop in our guild, includiing a discovery in EH, but most guilds haven't seen them much.

[USAFJeeper]

<DIV>No matter how you spin it, either of you, the bow was wasted on a assassin.  There are two pre-EoF bows/bow combinations that make a ranger and do nothing for any other class.  The first is the Bazgul by itself, the second is the Ichorstrand/Warbow combo.  If either of those goes to any class but a ranger you have just wasted one of the rarest drops in the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would this ranger have taken off on you?  Maybe, it is the exchange server.   But, IMO, its a chance you have to take.</DIV>

[shiala]

<P>You left out all the important parts  to make it sound more like a sob story..</P> <P>1) The SK was not allowed to bid,  are you crazy!  Yeah he tried,  but not allowed. </P> <P>ya he tried this a example of the GREED i mentioned, he was not allowed to WIN the item after it as announced he had bid the most</P> <P>2) A Friend of yours won it,  an assasin,  who also does ranged dps,  and alot of it.  Not quite as much as rangers,  but enough to see him winning it was justified in a DKP system.</P> <P>this so called "friend" plans on selling he mention that? and assassins dont do much ranged dps lol</P> <P>3) <FONT size=4>You were in guild for a little over a week</FONT>,  and expected to win everything....sounds like the SE greed to me! </P> <P>ummmmmm this "friend" assassin joined what 3 days before i did hmm, i personally would of like to seen the long time RANger in your guild get it but he had connection probs or something AT least it wouldnt have went to waste</P> <P>4) Did you also tell them you <FONT size=4>looted a tank wrist piece the mob before it</FONT>,  but was overlooked because almost all your gear was [Removed for Content].</P> <P>lol looted because NO ONE ELSE WANTED IT and it went for min bid......and ya i was gimped thats because I EARNED MY GEAR unlike most on that server who buy theyre raid toons PRE MADE by someone else</P> <P>So on behalf of the guild,  glad you didnt win,  because anyone who would bash a friend winning a piece that increases his dps as well is pretty much a low life imo considering you put a game item over a friendship..  pretty weak...  </P> <P>i am also glad i didnt win or id still be there outparseing all your UBER pre made toons</P> <P>Message Edited by shiala on <SPAN class=date_text>01-22-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:30 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by shiala on <span class=date_text>01-22-2007</span> <span class=time_text>05:31 PM</span>

[Judist]

<DIV>Sad day when a non-ranger wins such bows. I think many other classes dont realize how much the ranger depends on such items to get the DPS numbers they deserve... so they bid on it, thinking its something equally useful.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I used to think most would understand the concept that rangers revolve around their bows. Taking a good one away just sucks. Taking away the T8 ammo on top of that is a kick while your down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edited to add:   On a side note, I've heard rumors from many that this bow and others are dropping more often now after EoF. So heres hoping for the best.</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><BR></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by BeatinGuts on <span class=date_text>01-27-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:05 PM</span>

[Prandtl]

WOOT   after countless trips to DT I finally got Bazkul! 

[jimbrit]

And finally got Sarnak off Venekor <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Prandtl]

Even better!   Thats next.. I hope.  Even Bazkul raised my zonewide dps from the ~1100 range to 1500+ in Lyceum last night.  The bow will take some practice, though.  The shorter delay threw my CA cycle off a bit, and I think I was interrupting some autoattacks.