Im clueless and need some kinda help

[genoli2]

<DIV>Hey guys!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im a lvl 70 Ranger with 70 AA's aswell. I have all my spells at atleast Adept 3, T7 ammo, Rare Poisons (GM's) Fabled bow (Wyrms shortbow/Raincaller), Fabled lvl 70 Piercers but I seems to be lacking some basic knowledge!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At any given raid I do not Parse over 900 DPS per combat and not over 650 DPS zonewide. Here is what I do at combat;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I debuff and cast my hawk to help my raid-comrads. I then start using all my Ranged CA's and while they recycle I run in at the back of the mob and stabs it to death until my Ranges CA's starting to come back up. I do not use them in any particular order (except use steath before stealth attacks).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All this seems logical to me, but still I read about ppl scoring around 1200 - 2000 DPS per combat and I'm not even passed the 1k Line. I get outdamaged by our Inquisitor sometimes .) (/blush)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AA' wise i have taken Str x5 and then the int line i believe. On ranger tree I've choosen to upgrade all my attacks to raise my DPS. I used to have the charm animal, but very, very few high level animals around in raidzones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, please help me out ! What Am I doing wrong?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Nulad]

Forgetting to use Focus Aim, Killing Instinct and Honed Reflexes?High DPS is also all about timing, ie: group encounters using focus with selection and rain of arrows will increase your output significantly.I find I lose out when I queue up a heavy hitter and the mob gets killed just as it's about to go off, all that does is waste time and I'm still getting to grips with it all.<div></div>

[genoli2]

<DIV>Yes i use those 3 aswell (Focus Aim, Killing Instinct and Honed Reflexes).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I normally dont que up my attacks, so the autoattacks can go off aswell</DIV>

[Nulad]

I'm still not convinced that it makes any difference wether attacks are queued or not, I'm pretty sure I still get auto attacks happening even between queued CA's, I really must take a proper look at that.<div></div>

[Lev]

I really think you should change out either int or str with AGI.. because the ranged crit is our bread and butter, not that I think it really should matter as much as it seems to do.You should probably concentrate more on what you do during focus.While focus is up it is important to get off as many arrows as possible, this means you want to try to time it so most your ranged CAs are up by the time you use focus.I have a regular one for it, but not saying it is the best out there, as I know many rangers are better than me.Trigger focus (I don't have APs in the focus line yet so only 10sec)devatilizing arrow (lowers defensive attributes)(here depending on how well the tank is holding aggro and how fast we take down the mobs I choose to either)(Confounding Arrow)or Tripple VolleyCulling (if placement allows it)Amazing Shot(if I did not use Confounding earlier, I will put it in here)after this I usually shoot up snaring and preciseSo if you look into it I go from highest dmg and work my way downwards. Also (as I currently have no APs in Focus) will Devitalize, Tripple, Culling, Amazing, all be up about the same time as focus is.This is MY main dmg combo and is where I pull most of my dps from.One problem is that if you go through mobs fast you will find that your main dmg ranged CAs are down about every other fight, which can be annoying and kinda hurt your dps.Then comes group setup. This can be very hard depending on your raiding Guild/alliance. Depending on what classes show up and what classes you have availible. The raidleader will almost always give priority to the MT group (not without reason). I am sure other people can help you alot more on what group setups are good for rangers than me. However some nice to have classes areCoercerWardenInquisitorAlso the way these classes chose to buff and who they buff makes a ton of difference, for instance the warden can only buff 1 person in his/her group with the primal-line buff.<div></div>

[Starwindz]

If i read correctly you said you went Str Int lines. I think one of you biggest problem is that you took str over agi line. The decrease in cast timer is a must have, along with ranged crits which Rabbit had stressed. Ranged crits are our bread and butter. Also you said that you do you ranged attacks and then run up behind the mob and do melee. What i suggest doing is starting from the back side in the beginning while postioning yourself, and starting back casting focus aim while already stealthed and blwoing your big shots like veiled fire cullign the weak debil and rainof arrows to get heavy dmg in. Then slide up to the sweet spot where you can do both melee and ranged dmg. Once in this postion i cast my ranged attacks while also using longblade, rangers blade combos to rack up dps. Also make sure you use mortal reminder whenever possible that attack racks up dps. if you have master stream and upgraded it it might even b ebeneficial to you when most of your spells are down to cast the hawk and go into stream with focus aim up. I usually get 1800 dmg crits every shot. allow your ranged attack to go off between combos and you shoudl see an improvement. With rain caller i can get from 1.3-1.5k dps doing this depending on mob fight length and other variables.<div></div>

[genoli2]

<DIV>ok, I did a respec. Here is what ive taken;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Agi; 4,4,4,8,1 to get the increase of the casting speed</DIV> <DIV>Int; 4,4,4,5 started to get the increased spell crit chance</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cautic Poison: 5</DIV> <DIV>Precise: 5</DIV> <DIV>Selection: 5</DIV> <DIV>Tripple Volley: 5</DIV> <DIV>Rain of Arrows: 5</DIV> <DIV>Double Arrow: 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>total 71 AA's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next i want to get working on the focusing line in Ranger tree to get my attacks buffs up:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fettering poisons: 5</DIV> <DIV>Dance of tree's : 3</DIV> <DIV>Focus Aim: 5</DIV> <DIV>Honed Reflexes: 5</DIV> <DIV>Killing Instinct: 5</DIV> <DIV>Extention: 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Toxic Expertise: 5-8; 3 points</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Total: 27 points.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That leaves me 2 AA points. Perhaps use them on path finding .)</DIV>

[Merkad]

That sounds like a pretty good new set up and future plan for the remainder of your AAs. Even though pathfinding is not a dps enhancer, you won't regret should you choose it. I put two in there for now, I may do more later, I love the feeling of moving so much faster (28%). I can't stand mounts, even before the backwards movement nerf. Nothing short of 100 extdps would make me reconsider pathfinding. Sometimes, the game just needs to feel more fun, and since I like playing in a variety of ways, this is one of them for me.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.<div></div>

[Lesca]

<DIV>There's a number of things you can do to boost the numbers you're kicking out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The classes you have in your group will determine a relatively large portion of your damage output. From personal experience, Coercers, Illusionists, Inquisitors, Dirges, Conjurors and both Crusaders are good for us Rangers. Coercers give a +DPS buff, which frankly speaks for itself. Illusionists haste, so your 8 sec delay bow will fire faster. Inquisitors do +DPS and hitpoints. Dirges have +skills, procs, +DPS. Conjurors have a damage proc that works on ranged, as do Crusaders. And Pallies have Amends on top of that to siphon your aggro. You don't need all of those to do good DPS. But some will help. Most damage procs are sadly melee triggered, and we don't spend that much time meleeing, and are therefore better cast on Assassins and Rogues.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We're also dependant on gear, sorry to say. I've been very lucky. First killing of Amorphous Drake got me a T8 ammo bow, and the 2nd Venekor kill netted me a Sarnak War Bow. Raincaller is a good alternative (my guild chanters tell me that the proc can interfere with them casting stuns on epics, but that's another story). STR is our friend, as is INT, though you may be fighting Bards for chain armour with INT on it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AA lines, I've personally gone the raid favoured STR and AGI for the faster recasts, crits and lessened casting speed. I've not regretted that for a second. Many Rangers do go INT, and I can't honestly [Removed for Content] that as I haven't gone that way. In the EoF lines though, Multishot all the way up to Double Arrow. I'm also incresing the damage from poisons and the length of Focus Aim.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A large portion of your damage will now come from auto attacks, especially if you've got a good bow. Time your CAs around that going off, you'll notice a difference. No longer is it worthwhile to spam your CAs. We have to cunning, like the fox. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You can generally get 2 off inbetween autos, or 1 if it's a long cast and you're really hasted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Master Cover Fire. Keep it up. God, this is turning into an essay. Sorry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Create a chat channel for debuffs like Dispatch. Get your Brigands etc to make macros that say in that channel when the big debuffs are going in. I found that helps tenfold with timing your shots. For example, last night in Emerald Halls on single mobs: </DIV> <DIV>- Start with Surveillance and open up with Selection. Hopefully poison the mob in some way.</DIV> <DIV>- Whack on Cover Fire and Devitalising Arrow to debuff defence etc so auto attacks will land from the off (I don't know about anyone else, but 9 times out of 10 my first auto on a raid mob misses). Vines for the Wizzies.</DIV> <DIV>- Confounding Arrow for the tank aggro. Timing all of these so that auto attack goes off between casts. Sarnak hits for about 4K standard, so not missing out on those.</DIV> <DIV>- Elude. Maybe Snaring Shot. By now, debuff poisons should have taken effect.</DIV> <DIV>- It's about at this point, where the MT has some good aggro going, that the Dispatch call comes in. And if your Brig has picked the right AAs, it'll be up to about 18 secs. Soon as that's on the mob, Focus Aim. Then unleash what you've got, Rain of Arrows, Culling, Triple Volley, all the while letting auto attack go in between so they'll hopefully crit too. Once that flurry has passed, Surveillance and Elude again, keep your aggro down.</DIV> <DIV>- Now you can start cycling your attacks. Mortal Reminder can be cast from further away than most melee attacks, so get that DoT going. I like to Combine Killing Instinct with Honed Reflexes, so I'm doing bigger auto hits whilst I'm hasted and therefore doing more of them, but that's just me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's all I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm bound to have missed something. Rangers aren't an easy class to get the best out of, they take a lot of practice. My best advice would be to slow down a bit. You'll soon get a feel for when your bow is about to go off, how long you have before the next and what you can do in the interim.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm still the Queen of Adds though. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[VisualFoundry]

Here's another tip that works really well for me. Not sure if it'll work for everyone, but I saw a marked improvement when I started doing this. I made an additional chat window that included only my attacks - both hits and misses - so that I could get a feel for the rhythm of my auto-attacks. That allowed me to understand the timing with which I should use my CA's in relation to my auto. The speed of auto varies based on my haste, but by watching that window I can get a feel for whether I can fit another CA after the first or whether I should only be sticking in one CA and then letting auto go off. An added benefit is that when I see one of my shots miss it reminds me to cast Cover Fire to get a little better chance of making contact with the mob.

[genoli2]

<P>Lol im really scared now.</P> <P>I did the changes and tried out some of the advise Igot in here. My DPs went from 5-600 to 380 !!</P> <P>Im close to giving up. I must really really be using my feet to stab them mobs. Its not like I'm a 9 year old (No disrespect) with no Online experience. Ive been playing these kinda games since '98 and been in EQ2 since launch. Have 2 other lvl 70 toons, but this Ranger shi t really gets to me.</P> <P>I think I'll give him a break and come back in a few weeks .)</P> <P> </P> <P>THANKS for all your help guys!</P>

[Lev]

I know you said you would give it some rest.. I however got a bit curious.First what kind of arrows are you using?Second are those numbers from your personal parse or another guy in your raids parsing? (rangers can easily be left out of parses if we stay out our range)380 dps sounds extremely low for a ranger.. <div></div>

[genoli2]

<P>Im using Advanced combat tracker and some friend of mine confirms my numbes.</P> <P>Im using T7 adamite arrows..</P>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>genoli2 wrote:<div></div> <p>Im using Advanced combat tracker and some friend of mine confirms my numbes.</p> <p>Im using T7 adamite arrows..</p><hr></blockquote>Something is wrong b/c I can get those numbers by auto-attacking melee and going to get dinner. You have to either be  AFK to get those numbers or somethign is seriously borked in the way you are going about things.</div>

[genoli2]

<P>Wow !</P> <P>Twice now I had a Average of 780 DPS in T7 Eof Raid. At one named I even scored 1350 DPS.</P> <P>Improvement, but still some way to go !</P>

[EQ2Magroo]

I have a level 61 Ranger and I average about 650 DPS or so in raids, so I would expect you to be a lot higher. The most I've hit so far was 980DPS when I landed a Sniper Shot during the parse. When I hit level 62 I'll be able to start using all the good T7 poisons/items etc. so I expect my DPS to increase quite a bit. I usually only use summoned arrows but most of my damage comes from ranged CAs. When they are refreshing I switch to melee.<div></div>My gear is currently mastercrafted tier 6 stuff and my spells are a mixture of AD1/3 and Master for Stream of Arrows.I have 57 AAs spent so far, maxed out Agllity line in Predator tree plus1 point in Int.  In Ranger tree have Stream of Arrows and Storm of Arrows maxed and Double Arrow buff too.

[Caliga]

How odd.  I'm only a 60 Ranger but I parse about 1200 most times.  I end up in the top 10 with the level 70s and the lifeburning necro.  I don't think I do anything special, but here goes... I'm using the rare hemotoxin as my dps poison, I went down the agi like for the faster casting times.  I'm using t6 arrows and a Ironwood Imbued Bow, in agressive stance.  First I stealth, hit take aim (which doesn't break stealth) and use Stealth Fire which is Master II for me.  Then I go down the line from weakest to hardest using all my bow CAs.  When they are all down I use Stream of Arrows until they come back up.   I never ever get close to the mob and melee.  I used to think that our melee was decent dps, but then I grouped with a guy that parsed every single fight and over a few days I came to realize that if you ever wanna look decent on a parse, keep your sword in your pants.<div></div>

[Ranja]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:How odd.  I'm only a 60 Ranger but I parse about 1200 most times.  I end up in the top 10 with the level 70s and the lifeburning necro.  I don't think I do anything special, but here goes... I'm using the rare hemotoxin as my dps poison, I went down the agi like for the faster casting times.  I'm using t6 arrows and a Ironwood Imbued Bow, in agressive stance.  First I stealth, hit take aim (which doesn't break stealth) and use Stealth Fire which is Master II for me.  Then I go down the line from weakest to hardest using all my bow CAs.  When they are all down I use Stream of Arrows until they come back up.   I never ever get close to the mob and melee.  I used to think that our melee was decent dps, but then I grouped with a guy that parsed every single fight and over a few days I came to realize that if you ever wanna look decent on a parse, keep your sword in your pants.<div></div><hr></blockquote>This comment and  the previous one emphasize how important group make up is. Here is a ranger who uses the wrong poison, t6 arrows in t7, and a t6 bow adn still parsing high<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I appluad you Mr Ranger man<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You even use Stream of Pooh...lol. And you dont even use Longblade>Ranger's Blade which is our highest DPS art given the damage vs. cast time.It all comes down to group make up.</div><p>Message Edited by bentgate on <span class=date_text>01-15-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:16 PM</span>

[Caliga]

<div></div><div></div>I've only been t7 for like a day, I haven't raided since 59.  Geez.Edit:  Also Lunging Blade does what? 1.5k at the most?  Thats not worth the time it would take me to run over to the mob, get behind it, invis...blah blah blah.   As for poison I'm assuming you are talking about Caustic because if you mean Vitality Breach you are just special.   While high DD is great for mobs that die fast, (or back when our poison procced every hit) we are talking raids, my high DoT has plenty of time to complete and does more damage.  Maybe you don't like the way I do things, but I get it done so you can kiss where the sun don't shine.<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by pinkdove80 on <span class=date_text>01-15-2007</span> <span class=time_text>05:15 PM</span>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:<div></div><div></div>I've only been t7 for like a day, I haven't raided since 59.  Geez.Edit:  Also Lunging Blade does what? 1.5k at the most?  Thats not worth the time it would take me to run over to the mob, get behind it, invis...blah blah blah.   As for poison I'm assuming you are talking about Caustic because if you mean Vitality Breach you are just special.   While high DD is great for mobs that die fast, (or back when our poison procced every hit) we are talking raids, my high DoT has plenty of time to complete and does more damage.  Maybe you don't like the way I do things, but I get it done so you can kiss where the sun don't shine.<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by pinkdove80 on <span class="date_text">01-15-2007</span> <span class="time_text">05:15 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I was actually complementing you but if you want to take it as an insult then no worries<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Anyways, yes I was referring to GM caustic. You will overwrite your hemotoxin more often than not so you are not getting the full benefits of the DoT. Who the hell uses Vitality on raids anyways<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Watch your parse next time and see how many ticks of the Hemo you are getting. Even with the ticks, CAustic beats it. My caustic hits for 1000 every proc and crits for 2000. We still proc enough with a long bow that we do not use all of the ticks of Hemotoxin And no I am not talking about lunging blade which id our root. Please understand what DPS means = damage per second. Longblade>RAngers Blade is completed in .74 seconds for me for around 3000 damage. That is 3000 DPS and at 3000 DPS that is one of our highest DPS arts up there with Veiled and Rain.Again, just to be clear i was complimenting you on your high DPS. The point of the post was to show that group make up matters in the discrepancy between your DPS and the original poster.But if you want to take it as an insult that is fine with me. Jsut when you react back make sure you know what you are talking about.</div>

[Caliga]

<div><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:<div></div><div></div>I've only been t7 for like a day, I haven't raided since 59.  Geez.Edit:  Also Lunging Blade does what? 1.5k at the most?  Thats not worth the time it would take me to run over to the mob, get behind it, invis...blah blah blah.   As for poison I'm assuming you are talking about Caustic because if you mean Vitality Breach you are just special.   While high DD is great for mobs that die fast, (or back when our poison procced every hit) we are talking raids, my high DoT has plenty of time to complete and does more damage.  Maybe you don't like the way I do things, but I get it done so you can kiss where the sun don't shine.<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by pinkdove80 on <span class="date_text">01-15-2007</span> <span class="time_text">05:15 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I was actually complementing you but if you want to take it as an insult then no worries<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Anyways, yes I was referring to GM caustic. You will overwrite your hemotoxin more often than not so you are not getting the full benefits of the DoT. Who the hell uses Vitality on raids anyways<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Watch your parse next time and see how many ticks of the Hemo you are getting. Even with the ticks, CAustic beats it. My caustic hits for 1000 every proc and crits for 2000. We still proc enough with a long bow that we do not use all of the ticks of Hemotoxin And no I am not talking about lunging blade which id our root. Please understand what DPS means = damage per second. Longblade>RAngers Blade is completed in .74 seconds for me for around 3000 damage. That is 3000 DPS and at 3000 DPS that is one of our highest DPS arts up there with Veiled and Rain.Again, just to be clear i was complimenting you on your high DPS. The point of the post was to show that group make up matters in the discrepancy between your DPS and the original poster.But if you want to take it as an insult that is fine with me. Jsut when you react back make sure you know what you are talking about.</div><hr></blockquote>How is "If a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] fool like this can parse high, anyone can" a compliment?  And while I doubt my poison is proccing more than every 24 seconds I'll check it next time.</div>

[Gnome mercy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pinkdove80 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bentgate wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pinkdove80 wrote:<BR> I've only been t7 for like a day, I haven't raided since 59.  Geez.<BR><BR>Edit:  Also Lunging Blade does what? 1.5k at the most?  Thats not worth the time it would take me to run over to the mob, get behind it, invis...blah blah blah.   As for poison I'm assuming you are talking about Caustic because if you mean Vitality Breach you are just special.   While high DD is great for mobs that die fast, (or back when our poison procced every hit) we are talking raids, my high DoT has plenty of time to complete and does more damage.  Maybe you don't like the way I do things, but I get it done so you can kiss where the sun don't shine.<BR> <P><BR><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by pinkdove80 on <SPAN class=date_text>01-15-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:15 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I was actually complementing you but if you want to take it as an insult then no worries<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Anyways, yes I was referring to GM caustic. You will overwrite your hemotoxin more often than not so you are not getting the full benefits of the DoT. Who the hell uses Vitality on raids anyways<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Watch your parse next time and see how many ticks of the Hemo you are getting. Even with the ticks, CAustic beats it. My caustic hits for 1000 every proc and crits for 2000. We still proc enough with a long bow that we do not use all of the ticks of Hemotoxin<BR><BR> And no I am not talking about lunging blade which id our root. Please understand what DPS means = damage per second. Longblade>RAngers Blade is completed in .74 seconds for me for around 3000 damage. That is 3000 DPS and at 3000 DPS that is one of our highest DPS arts up there with Veiled and Rain.<BR><BR>Again, just to be clear i was complimenting you on your high DPS. The point of the post was to show that group make up matters in the discrepancy between your DPS and the original poster.<BR><BR>But if you want to take it as an insult that is fine with me. Jsut when you react back make sure you know what you are talking about.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>How is "If a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] fool like this can parse high, anyone can" a compliment?  And while I doubt my poison is proccing more than every 24 seconds I'll check it next time.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I looked all over this post and didnt see taht anywhere so stop trying to start flames, My god I thought the little kid rangers quit already

[Caliga]

<div></div><div></div><p>Nevermind.<span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by pinkdove80 on <span class=date_text>01-16-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:22 PM</span>