Surveilance

[Somethiing]

<DIV>Ninja nerf.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Awsome</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sigh</DIV>

[Toughone]

What they do now?<div></div>

[Somethiing]

<DIV>Agros everything in the area.</DIV>

[Toughone]

That freekin sucks, they wanna completely destroy rangers and there going to lose customers too.<div></div>

[Xeph]

What a bunch of !#$%!^@!. This is nearly the last straw for me. Yanking the bird out from under us was bad enough. What are they thinking??? I can assure you they do not care about enjoyability or customer satisfaction in the least! Thanks for the Christmas gift /end sarcasm. It's already beyond expensive to play this class and what little enjoyment there is left is being taken away. I am officially looking for another game at this point.

[Caliga]

That's what we get for bragging about our one useful ability...<div></div>

[Hisvet]

Someone else please confirm and make sure you're using the level 70 please on a variety of mobs?  I'd like to see more reports of this.  Could be a bugged proc, or bow effect etc, for instance don't use Raincaller when Surveillance pulling.<p>Message Edited by Hisvet on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:24 PM</span>

[Judist]

<P>Did anyone verify this? For the some time now only lvl70 Surveilance pulled w/o social aggro. I'm just hoping the OP didnt use a lower version and figured they were all the same.</P> <P>If it was nerfed then... it was fun while it lasted. Kinda figured the bat would come someday.</P> <P> </P>

[Anaun]

<P>Aggression check maybe ? </P> <P>'Cause that would be funny. </P> <P>Not.</P>

[Wil81115]

<P>yep i tested it in Loping plains..  it socials everything within the mobs social range.</P> <P>thanks for the ninja nerf again SOE, you really so S|_|CK sometimes...  NOT 1 SINGLE WORD IN THE NOTES.</P> <P>Good thing i was watching the boards and WW channel before i wiped my raid cause of another gawd dam ninja nerf'</P> <P> </P>

[Sham07]

havent tested that yet but no doubt its true when flaming is at the state it is already.nice piece of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] SoE gave us here. i loved that skill cause surveil made me feel independent when soloing and usefull in groups/raids.change that back to how it was ffs, it worked for a year and will work in the future. get better designers so that u can stop [Removed for Content] on players<div></div>

[Thorn4]

I guess in all their Frostfell madness they decided to give Rangers a nice big lump of coal /harumph! <div></div>

[doyler2k]

/sigh if it aint in the update notes...then [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] are SOE playing at. I agree about the Hawk Dive thing too...<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />This is depressing as hell.I sure hope its a bug issue and not what we all are dreading.... <div></div>

[Judist]

<DIV>Well the thing is Templars (specifically) now have an AA to help prevent social aggro. With our use of surveliance, this made it a worthless AA line reward. We could do freely what they'd needed many AA points to do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not our fault, but I was wondering anyways when this nerf was coming. Sooner than I wanted <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[wvorster]

<font color="#ffff00" face="Verdana" size="2">Ran Obelisk last night - Surveilance Master I (70)  pull 1st named - aggro whole room ... like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] im i THAT tired - i must suck...Same thing at faries / demon - aggro everything .. GG SOE.Stealth nerfs 4tw !</font><div></div>

[kartikeya]

<P>*sigh*</P> <P>You know, it was nice to have something, <EM>anything</EM>, unique on a raid, however meager. </P>

[Arhan]

Yup...stealth nerf. I tested it out in Obselik also, and died a few testing...  The only time there would be adds before todays patch was when troubadors put there note proc on.  Other type proc buffs never triggered.   This change sucks it was one thing that I enjoyed about my class.  I could split social encounters, and or make akward pulls with amazing shot.  I was always pulling in raids, and groups around social mobs with paladin wards etc it made things a lot easier when body pulls are akward or impossible.  If you guys remember back a few updates ago they hit surveilances range.  Now this..  It defiantely sucks but is expected.  It was one skill we actually had that allowed us to add something other then dps/disarming traps to a group.  Welcome back to the bench rangers...  Lovely :smileymad:<p>Message Edited by Arhan on <span class=date_text>12-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:29 AM</span>

[Gerdos]

<P>R.I.P.   Surveillance.</P> <P>I remember you fondly when you were 50m.</P> <P>I'll remember when you could pull without drawing agro.</P> <P>You'll still be useful, just not for the pull.</P> <P> </P> <P>Rangers, meet "Hooked Arrow".  :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P>With a little bit of tweaking, its very possible to get Double Attack, Extension and Hooked Arrow.   3 final ranks isn't all bad if you choose to go down that path.  Your forced to loose 1 AA to Enhance: Caustic Poison .. and forfeit Enchance: Honed Reflexes for Enhance: Snaring Shot.</P> <P>I've never played with or had a chance to test "Hooked Arrow", but the fix/nerf to Surveillance just made Hooked Arrow a nice alternative ... 1 that assassins dont share.</P> <P> </P>

[jarlaxle8]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kartikeya wrote:<BR> <P>*sigh*</P> <P>You know, it was nice to have something, <EM>anything</EM>, unique on a raid, however meager.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah. Now where're back to the 'dps and nothing more' state. Happy Holidays from SOE.</P> <P>edit: What's with hook arrow? That doesn't cause social agro? I would be surprised if where like that. I mean, come on... Rangers bringing useful stuff? Sheesh, dream on...</P><p>Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on <span class=date_text>12-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:17 PM</span>

[Teksun]

This is insane...Next they'll take our bows<div></div>

[thalus]

<DIV>Gu # 31 Ranger Combat arts  are now all changed to paper rock scissors emotes Happy Hunting !!!</DIV>

[Dirtgirl]

<FONT color=#ffcc33>Ok, question....<BR>Were you all only getting social aggro in EoF zones?<BR>Because yesterday after servers came up we were forming to kill Hurricanus and I pulled both Spykratchis and the named Breeder that drops the orb, pulled them through all the big lizards and droags respectively and drew no additional social aggro.<BR>Might want to check where it's happening at. Sounds like everyone so far is only having issues in EoF areas.</FONT>

[Taeolen]

Next week comes the real Christmas present.  Bows and Arrows will be replaced with snow blowers and snow balls.

[Badaxe Ba]

We were raiding in Labs last nite, and watched our best ranger die time and again while trying to surveillance pull a minor mob, not even a named.

[Dirtgirl]

<FONT color=#ffcc33>Was he dying to that mob, to others in that encounter's group, or to social aggro that came along?<BR>And do all of these rangers having this problem have Surveilance Master 1?<BR></FONT>

[Truesaer]

Ok, just respeced to get hook arrow to test.  Well, its good news and bad news..First, it does work, summons mob out of a pack directly to you.   Bad news is the range is 25 meters which might be a little tough for some raid pulls, but its worth trying I guess.  Other bad news is the reuse timer is 2 minutes.  Which probably is not a problem on raids, but might be for solo hunting.Other little bit of news is that your first melee attack following it is a crit.  Which does not bode well for your aggro management.  Bottom line is it may or may not be a raid pull tool.  Questions about aggro management, range, etc.   But time will tell.  I am going on a raid or two tonite, so maybe there will be a chance to test this.   Hopefully when I am able to increase the range of my arrow attacks again with more AA (thats what I despeced to get hook arrow) it will increase the range of this attack to 29 m also since it is an arrow attack of a sort, but time will tell on that too.Corwin D'Amber - 70 Ranger on Antonia Bayle<div></div>

[Badaxe Ba]

social aggro to answer your question

[Gerdos]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Truesaer wrote:<BR>Ok, just respeced to get hook arrow to test.  Well, its good news and bad news..<BR><BR>First, it does work, summons mob out of a pack directly to you.   Bad news is the range is 25 meters which might be a little tough for some raid pulls, but its worth trying I guess.  Other bad news is the reuse timer is 2 minutes.  Which probably is not a problem on raids, but might be for solo hunting.<BR><BR>Other little bit of news is that your first melee attack following it is a crit.  Which does not bode well for your aggro management.  <BR><BR>Bottom line is it may or may not be a raid pull tool.  Questions about aggro management, range, etc.   But time will tell.  I am going on a raid or two tonite, so maybe there will be a chance to test this.   <BR><BR>Hopefully when I am able to increase the range of my arrow attacks again with more AA (thats what I despeced to get hook arrow) it will increase the range of this attack to 29 m also since it is an arrow attack of a sort, but time will tell on that too.<BR><BR>Corwin D'Amber - 70 Ranger on Antonia Bayle<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Truesaer/Corwin .. when you tested it, were you using a shortbow or longbow?    Is range limited by the bow your using?</P> <P>Although your 1st melee attack will be a guaranteed crit .. will using another CA, ie. debuff, deagro .. before the melee attack prevent the crit hit?</P> <P> </P>

[panther55]

I thik that this is the biggest crock ever. Not only did they royally screw rangers but don't even bother to mention it in the patch notes. The saddest thing is you can see the state of the ranger world if you see we only have about two pages of complaints. If you nerf something of almost any other class like this they would have pages of people complaining. After this nerf there will be even less people playing rangers. Oh well guess its a good thing I've been leveling an alt. Good thing they put in that xp bonus for all the rangers rerolling.<div></div>