Sniper Shot Upgrade!

[THEWELL]

<DIV>Hey fellow rangers, I've made a post over in Testing Feedback showing the differences of the Rangers Sniper shot and the Assassin's Assassinate / Decap.  Hoping to get sniper shot looked into for an UPGRADE!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please head over there and post some support on this Topic!  The rangers always seemed to get overlooked and its time for some RANGER LOVE!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Show your support!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's the link to make it easier   <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=69490" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=69490</A></DIV>

[EQGu]

<DIV>stylin i dont think it will be upgraded tbh, here is my reason.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>we get sniper shot at lvl 58 so its an ancient spell. our equivalent to assassinate and decap is storm of arrows and rain of arrows we got those at lvl 50 and 70, assassins are for 1 target big dmg, ours if for multiple targets big dmg, so they are supposed to equal out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>only way they will upgrade sniper shot is if they give everyone ancient spell upgrades in 20 lvls..</DIV>

[Arkturis]

<DIV>Meh, mixed it up with a different skill at lvl 44 ->58 ->72 was mistaken =p</DIV><p>Message Edited by Arkturis on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:05 PM</span>

[pseudocide]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQGuru wrote:<div>stylin i dont think it will be upgraded tbh, here is my reason.</div> <div> </div> <div>we get sniper shot at lvl 58 so its an ancient spell. our equivalent to assassinate and decap is storm of arrows and rain of arrows we got those at lvl 50 and 70, assassins are for 1 target big dmg, ours if for multiple targets big dmg, so they are supposed to equal out.</div> <div> </div> <div>only way they will upgrade sniper shot is if they give everyone ancient spell upgrades in 20 lvls..</div><hr></blockquote>qft</div>

[THEWELL]

<DIV>Reguardless of if its an ancient spell or not......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you look at the damage / recast time ratio.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sniper shot is the counterpart to decap.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rain of arrows is more in line with finishing blow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dev's made a pretty big mistake by making it an ancient spell.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you go read the other post that I linked...it lays it out for you.</DIV><p>Message Edited by THEWELL on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:03 PM</span>

[pseudocide]

i think this is probably a joke, but it's over my head<div></div>

[Skratttt]

<DIV>if there were upgrades to ancient spells sure it should be upgraded....devs have stated that ancients will never upgrade</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If and where it would be upgraded.......upgrades come every 14 levels that means snipers is a lvl 72 upgrade...but since you argue its the counterpart of assassinate (which its not) then it upgrades in 20 levels...at 78....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Saying that finishing blow is equal to  your class defining ability.....lol..honestly how long been playing your ranger??? can we get a focus aim for assassins too while we are at it(il take focus aim in a mele version over brutal focus any day)?.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No each class has its own special abilities...you guys get stream of arrows 55 (useless now i know ), thorny trap 52, sniper shot58, teh crappy hawk 65 (usefull when used right..not so much in raids i hear),  and storm/rain of arrows</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We get apply poison ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....i cant even buff fellow rogues/preds with it..woot buff the trouby with it)/concealment(usefull..no damage from it)55/Finishing blow 58/ exacting 65 and assassinate/decap 50/70</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW crossposting really against forum rules question of time before this gets locked</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LoreLady]

Its locked - and you should have let me know about it.. I have a nice lil chart showing that ranger/assassin AE's are equal over time, where snipers/decap arent.. But I am still very happy with whats gone on in EoF I dont think I need to worry much.

[nirav21]

<P>Sniper shot is not a counterpart to decap.</P> <P>It is a counterpart to Finishing blow.</P> <P>So i think instead of dmg upgrade they should reduce the resuse timer. </P> <P>What if they change like Sniper shot to lvl 50 spell and make rain of arrows ancient spell.?</P> <P>Then make upgrade to sniper shot at lvl 70 and call it fatal shot or something. </P><p>Message Edited by nirav21 on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:31 AM</span>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>nirav21 wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>Sniper shot is not a counterpart to decap.</p> <p>It is a counterpart to Finishing blow.</p> <p>So i think instead of dmg upgrade they should reduce the resuse timer. </p> <p>What if they change like Sniper shot to lvl 50 spell and make rain of arrows ancient spell.?</p> <p>Then make upgrade to sniper shot at lvl 70 and call it fatal shot or something. </p><p>Message Edited by nirav21 on <span class="date_text">12-15-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:31 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>So, if snipers = finishing blowAnd rangers/assassin AEs are equalThen were missing an ability in your logic (and dont try and argue that AE's are not equal - I can prove otherwise)</div>

[Gerdos]

<P>:smileysurprised:</P> <P>"Shenanigans" !!  </P> <P>  RoA > Decapitate > Veiled Fire > Sniper Shot</P> <P>Understanding how the CAs work, and relate to other classes in terms of balancing :smileywink:  ... could have prevented this thread ever starting.</P> <P> </P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gerdos wrote:<p>:smileysurprised:</p> <p>"Shenanigans" !!  </p> <p>  RoA > Decapitate > Veiled Fire > Sniper Shot</p> <p>Understanding how the CAs work, and relate to other classes in terms of balancing :smileywink:  ... could have prevented this thread ever starting.</p> <hr></blockquote>Scary thing is - your on to something!! The SAD thing is - it took me a minute to get that its sarcasm <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Gerdos]

<DIV>yes .. and uummmm .. :smileywink:.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That list, is accurate.  Not on the ability to do high hits .. but on the dmg output from a raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What is scary, Veiled Fire, criting for ~12k ...     It's all in the maths.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  </DIV>

[Torrin]

The reasoning behind Sniper Shot's lower damage compared to equal 15min recast skills of other classes is simple:It's not a Strictly- Damage-Only attack.  It applies Stun, Knockback, Blur ontop of the direct damage it does.  So making it equal a single target Damage-Only ability such as Decap or Assassinate or anything similiar would be just plain stupid.  Yeah I'm a ranger and I'd like at times for my Sniper Shot to do more damage than it does.. but when i take into account that I can SS with a 35m bow, swap to 45m unload atleast 2-3 CAs before their impariments wear off.. If they're not dead or evac'd by then, I can just sprint to close the gap using Culling to snare them followed by Vines.. swap to 35m bow and seal the deal.  And the only time I ever get hit by Decap to be worth anything is if I'm lazy enough to let an assassin get on me Melee and use the concealment (believe that's it, the one that renders them invis after each attack for a short duration).. and then since it has that 5% chance for me to drop target (which seems to happen at a 100% chance to me).. then they can get the Decap off for a large chunk of damage.. followed by Killing Blade and Finishing Blow I'm pretty much done for.IMO Sniper Shot doesn't need anything adjusted.  And in all honesty, I use Veiled Fire and Rain of Arrows for my big hit attacks in PvP or PvE either one.. both cast faster and hit harder than SS.  SS is a situational attack.  It's not the One-Shot Wonder everyone likes to claim it to be ((Sorry but only classes that get One-Shotted by Sniper Shot are grey - green con Clothies.. and in that case it's sad to waste a sniper shot on them anyway)).  An interesting combo I'd like to try though..  Open with SS, and right after use Hook Arrow to drag target to you.. Surveil + Ranger's Blade.. would be interesting to see the Crit damage done.  since Hook Arrow guarantees the next Melee attack to do Critical Damage.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That could possibly be a 2-shot death combo right there.. or it could be a waste of effort lol Have Fun.<div></div>

[nirav21]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nirav21 wrote:<BR> <P>Sniper shot is not a counterpart to decap.</P> <P>It is a counterpart to Finishing blow.</P> <P>So i think instead of dmg upgrade they should reduce the resuse timer. </P> <P>What if they change like Sniper shot to lvl 50 spell and make rain of arrows ancient spell.?</P> <P>Then make upgrade to sniper shot at lvl 70 and call it fatal shot or something. </P> <P>Message Edited by nirav21 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-15-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:31 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>So, if snipers = finishing blow<BR><BR>And rangers/assassin AEs are equal<BR><BR>Then were missing an ability in your logic (and dont try and argue that AE's are not equal - I can prove otherwise)<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>u need to stop posting half finshed coments. What ability are u talking about?

[Vindictives]

<DIV>We got a huge dps boost from the new AA's, and now your here complaining about sniper shot?</DIV>

[Jodah]

<DIV>I was just an Assassin about 2 days ago and trust me we have zero DPS aa's... MAYBE exacting thats it</DIV>