EoF AA's and DPS

[Colbie]

<DIV>Ok long story short...My toon was hacked and deleted and SoE is in the works of getting everythign straghtened out. So all of this is off of the top of my head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok, I'm a raid ranger and no more, so OBVIOUSLY i am looking for DPS. My thoughts on teh AA's are this way, and I am looking for input / ideas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Multishot line...</DIV> <DIV>(5) Precise shot</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) Triple Volley (10)</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) Stream of Arrows (15)</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) Selection (20)</DIV> <DIV>(1) Double Arrow (21)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I remember correctly, You have to spend 20pts to get Doble Arrow?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Poison line...</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) Caustic Poison (26)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now debating...</DIV> <DIV>If Extension is a buff...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Poison line...</DIV> <DIV>(5) Fettering Poison (31)</DIV> <DIV>(5) Ancillery Poison (36)</DIV> <DIV>(1) Conservaton (37) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have to spend 14 points in poison for conservation?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Focus line...</DIV> <DIV>(5) Enhance Focus (40)</DIV> <DIV>(5) Killing Instinct (45)</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff00><FONT color=#ffffff>(5) Honed Reflexes (50)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If extensions not a short duration buff, and it's like a concentration, then I would take 2 from fettering and forget about conservation, so that I can spend teh AA's in the Focus line and get the Extension ability. Can anyone confirm Extension a buff or not?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ok....thoughts ideas?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>

[jrisley69]

your not putting in anything in rain of arrows?  to me, that is probably one of our best combat arts.  Especially against grouped mobs.  with double attack and the 10% chance it'll proc with rain of arrows, that's hellava lotta dps.  I havent really messed with SOA much, but been seeing some posts saying the full 5 into it actually make it somewhat reasonable in DPS, have to test that out.  i went the caustic poison only.   right now i've got my Multishot line maxed out with double attack except 0aa's in SOA.  i went 5 in caustic and an currently workin on my focus line.  3 in the defensive buff to get to focus aim, which i currently have 2 in.  Im gonna go max 5 in focus, honed and instinct.so Multishot = 21pointsPoison = 5pointsfocus = 18pointsleaves me with 6 points to mess with. <div></div>

[Colbie]

<DIV>Yeah I'm not thinking Rain. The reason bieng is that I love SOA with the line due to the faster casting speeds in less time = more DPS. Rain is only increased by 5%? and it's still got alot a long reuse timer...the amount of times that I can use SoA in a long fight versus waiting for rain to pop i think i will lose DPS. Also using SoA when waiting for my abilities to pop back up is VERY nice...it's like added auto attack damage IMO.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[AfflictedOne]

I don't currently have Extension (don't have enough aa yet but will soon) but I can say that in beta it was a passive.  It adds slightly over 5 meters all your ranged attacks (auto and combat arts) when using a 35 m longbow.   For one point I find it to be a no brainer since the whole line except for the defensive stance one rocks. As for the discussion about SoA... I'm still undecided after I get all the AA I want I'll have 5 left over and still debating SoA or pathfinding.  I'm not sure I'll like the SoA cause when you have a chance of hitting a mob for 9K with autoattack and chance of double attack then it seems lackluster to tie yourself up for 20 seconds on a mediocre combat art. <div></div>

[Sham07]

<div></div>I will go with 21 in multishot: precise, triple, selection, roa & double arrow 18 in focus: focus (5), killing instinct (5), honed (3), defense (4) & extension 5 in pathfinding 4 in caustic 2 in makeshift Gona put those 2 points from makeshift into caustic and defense if i ever get bazkul/ichor. Going down the poison line after caustic is wasted aas imo. the debuffs wont make the differnce and since i switch between caustic and mental all the time on raids i dont need any extra triggers cuz i hardly ever finish those 100. Maybe a thing for non raiders to safe some money but nothing to max ur dps. Double arrow only procs on auto attacks so it wont affect RoA or any other CA to hit twice. Extension on the other side gives his 5% hit bonus on all "ranged attacks" which makes it a must imo.SoA is definitely worth to consider but atm i dont know to what degree it makes a completely useless combat art usefull. If SoA could hold 1,2k+ dps (with caustic and offensive) it might be something to pick for those that dont like to go into melee from time to time or for max-range fights. In the end its all about playstyle realy. If extra triggers make the rare poisons affordable for u it will help ur dps more than the hit chance on extension. If u stay ranged and hardly joust SoA is an option to hit when u wait for ur CA to be up again. I put points into defense because surveil and amazing shot makes rangers probably the best pullers in game which leaves lots of opportunities to solo in crowded dungeons. With the raincaller u need hardly more space to solo than casters.<p>Message Edited by Sham07 on <span class=date_text>12-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:05 PM</span>

[LoreLady]

<P>Heres what I plan to go down since I feel the need to be a pain</P> <P> </P> <P>Precise shot 5</P> <P>tripple volly 5</P> <P>Selection 5</P> <P>rain 5</P> <P>double attack 1.. 21 aa's thus far</P> <P>Dance of the tree's 3</P> <P>Focus aim 5</P> <P>leg shot 5</P> <P>killing instinct 4 </P> <P>extension 1... 39aa's thus far</P> <P>Snare 5 points</P> <P>Lunging joust 5 points</P> <P>Hook arrow 1</P> <P> </P> <P>50 points spent</P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG><EM><U>I believe that the multichange ones go both sides - so I this is what I have planned, I am new to EoF and DO NOT DENY IT! If they dont stack, im going to have to comeout with a new build then.. The way I have it planned currently allows me 3 tree's of stuff for some nice DPS.. If it doesnt work that way - then i'll commit to diffrent tree's.</U></EM></STRONG></P> <P> </P>

[Stormhawk]

<div></div>The cross points are just there so you can skip around. They only count for the end AAs in their listed grouping.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Stormhawk on <span class=date_text>12-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:53 PM</span>

[Sham07]

Interesting setup. Id realy like to play with Hook Arrow a bit myself. I think it could give us some nice utility even on raids, depending on how Hook works with Agro.I dont think this setup will work thou. Leg Shot is classified as part of the trapping line. I think that soe implemented the cross-branch aas to leave players more space to customize their setup by not having to strictly follow a specific tree but have differend paths to differend skills possible instead. <div></div>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <P>Heres what I plan to go down since I feel the need to be a pain</P> <P> </P> <P>Precise shot 5</P> <P>tripple volly 5</P> <P>Selection 5</P> <P>rain 5</P> <P>double attack 1.. 21 aa's thus far</P> <P>Dance of the tree's 3</P> <P>Focus aim 5</P> <P>leg shot 5</P> <P>killing instinct 4 </P> <P>extension 1... 39aa's thus far</P> <P>Snare 5 points</P> <P>Lunging joust 5 points</P> <P>Hook arrow 1</P> <P> </P> <P>50 points spent</P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG><EM><U>I believe that the multichange ones go both sides - so I this is what I have planned, I am new to EoF and DO NOT DENY IT! If they dont stack, im going to have to comeout with a new build then.. The way I have it planned currently allows me 3 tree's of stuff for some nice DPS.. If it doesnt work that way - then i'll commit to diffrent tree's.</U></EM></STRONG></P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why would you not take the Enhance Caustic to 5??

[pseudocide]

<DIV>so how much does double shot help our dps? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have 19 points into multishot and i'm not sure what to expect when i get those last 2 points.</DIV>

[Pharly]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>so how much does double shot help our dps? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have 19 points into multishot and i'm not sure what to expect when i get those last 2 points.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Double Shot is the new "must have" AA, like poise. Using a sinew wrapped longbow, if i get a double attack crit, the damage outperforms M1 snipe (i dont have Perfectionist AA) It is quite nice!

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pharly wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>so how much does double shot help our dps? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have 19 points into multishot and i'm not sure what to expect when i get those last 2 points.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Double Shot is the new "must have" AA, like poise. Using a sinew wrapped longbow, if i get a double attack crit, the damage outperforms M1 snipe (i dont have Perfectionist AA) It is quite nice!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>perfect, now i just need those 2 points >.<

[LoreLady]

<div></div><font color="#ff0000"></font><blockquote><hr>pseudocide wrote:<div>so how much does double shot help our dps? </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>i have 19 points into multishot and i'm not sure what to expect when i get those last 2 points.</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#ffffff">I just finished doin abunch of junk on this - and somethings not right with the second part, I cant put my finger on it so im not going to post it... I will have another look another day.</font>

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#ff0000><BR></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>so how much does double shot help our dps? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have 19 points into multishot and i'm not sure what to expect when i get those last 2 points.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#ffffff>I just finished doin abunch of junk on this - and somethings not right with the second part, I cant put my finger on it so im not going to post it... I will have another look another day.</FONT><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i dont understand, what do you mean by the second part?<BR>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><blockquote>>snip <hr> </blockquote>i dont understand, what do you mean by the second part?<hr></blockquote>I tend to write out alot of math stuff on the fourms - I scrapped it as I was writing it because something in the way I was doing it was wrong..  I was asked the question "how much dps will this give me" - and I tried to figure it out... When I figure out where im going wrong - i'll post it. But as for now im heading out.. Have fun!.</div>

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR>>snip<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i dont understand, what do you mean by the second part?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I tend to write out alot of math stuff on the fourms - I scrapped it as I was writing it because something in the way I was doing it was wrong..  I was asked the question "how much dps will this give me" - and I tried to figure it out... When I figure out where im going wrong - i'll post it. But as for now im heading out.. Have fun!.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>oooooooooooooooooooooooooo gotcha, well then i eagerly await your ciphering

[Katsugen]

<DIV>I will have to play around w/ soa but i don't see how that will ever be better than our auto atk. It would have to sustain close to 2k dps and i just don't see that happening. If this does end up giving us that much dps then ranger go back to being to "easy button" dps. Personally I don't think this will be the case and I think SoE should just cut thier losses with this skill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Katsugen</DIV>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Katsugen wrote:<div>I will have to play around w/ soa but i don't see how that will ever be better than our auto atk. It would have to sustain close to 2k dps and i just don't see that happening. If this does end up giving us that much dps then ranger go back to being to "easy button" dps. Personally I don't think this will be the case and I think SoE should just cut thier losses with this skill.</div> <div> </div> <div>- Katsugen</div><hr></blockquote>naw - I was posting on how much dps the double attack would actually add..And SoA would be a easy buttond ps - if the poise/soa stacked.. it would be 1300-1800 dps without any procs just soa.</div>

[blackdog1]

But with SoA if you rt click the Icon when it is active,you can cancle it at any time.So the amount of time it is running really is a non issue.I maxed out my path finding.And tho it dosn't help me fighting wise,except that if you get into trouble you can out run most anything,I can't give it up.I just love it when I am just normally running and my character races by a horse or carpet.I think it's cool how if you target a toon on a horse,your head turns to look at him as you pass him by.Then sometimes they will hit the run button.So I hit mine and just toast them. lol. <div></div>

[blackdog1]

Have you used Surveil yet?No real need for hook arrow.Surveil pulls just 1 mob at a time. <div></div>

[LoreLady]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>blackdog1 wrote:Have you used Surveil yet?No real need for hook arrow.Surveil pulls just 1 mob at a time. <div></div><hr></blockquote>I dont know what "critical strike" is - it could be a number of things, it could be double damage to that CA/attack, and it doesnt say what kind of "arrow attack" it is.. The wording on it is weird..and I dont want to boost my caustic poison - I dont use it.. I use mental breach 90% of the time more overall dps if you have power.. Its much more fun if your in labs or something and pulling junk in labs and having a random tank; tank the mob you just pulled <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Makes things go faster, and makes for a fun event <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You wouldent be able to go at the pase with caustic poisons.. You would run out of power way to quickly - which is a problem of mine even with mental breach poisons + a chanter.</div><p><span class="time_text">Not only that, I have to have so many points in the trapping line to get the hook thingie, that gives me the extra 5 points needed for the hook.</span></p><p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class=date_text>12-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:27 PM</span>

[Starwindz]

So has anyone found out for sure whether extension is a limited time buff, passisve, or a concentration?<div></div>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Starwindz wrote:<BR>So has anyone found out for sure whether extension is a limited time buff, passisve, or a concentration?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Its a passive buff...

[blackdog1]

Question for everyone.I heard the double attack AA is only on auto attack.I have also heard it is on Ca's also.Which way is it? <div></div>

[Colbie]

<DIV>I was thinking it was useless myself as I am AWLAYS casting CA's. It was explain to me that Auto Attack is a CA as well taht is consistently running. When casting CA's it que's and as soon as the CA is done if your bow's delay is up then it will auto fire.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Example - my bow has a 7 second dealy. So I cast my first CA, auto attack ques. First CA is off, Auto attack fires. cast my 2nd CA (2 seconds have gone by) cast my 3rd CA (now 4 seconds have gone by) cast my 4th CA (now 6 seconds have gone by) cast my 5th CA, in the middle of the CA casting when 7 seconds is up, the Auto attack is ready to fire so now as soon as my 5th CA ends, Auto attack will fire, even if I have another CA qued and waiting. It will fire before that next CA will.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope that helps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now or those wondering about SoA 5. I did nothing but parse last night while in inner sanctum and out messing around. SoA5 ws consistenly parsing about 1000 DPS. That bieng said figure out your auto attack with the Bow/Arrows you use and that will tell you wether SoA is going to up your DPS or not. I have the Sinew Wrapped and t7 arrows. So yeah it helps me out by about 200 DPS, but I know I will have new arrows and a new bow ASAP. You can see the AA's i went with due to the parsing from last night.</DIV>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>blackdog1 wrote:Question for everyone.I heard the double attack AA is only on auto attack.I have also heard it is on Ca's also.Which way is it? <div></div><hr></blockquote>It is only auto attack. having double attack on CA's would be far to powerfull</div>

[Gerdos]

<P>Cueing CA's wont allow you to get an auto-attack off.   You'll need to give it time to fire off, but, a 0.1sec wait is enough to trigger an auto-attack.  Bear in mind, there's a 0.5sec refresh timer b/w all actions.</P> <P> </P>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blackdog1 wrote:<BR>Question for everyone.I heard the double attack AA is only on auto attack.I have also heard it is on Ca's also.Which way is it?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ff0000>It is only auto attack. having double attack on CA's would be far to powerfull</FONT><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Isnt that the truth... Could you imagine how fast a ranger would die if RoA double attacked? haha

[Jeris Nefz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerriBlades wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blackdog1 wrote:<BR>Question for everyone.I heard the double attack AA is only on auto attack.I have also heard it is on Ca's also.Which way is it?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ff0000>It is only auto attack. having double attack on CA's would be far to powerfull</FONT><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Isnt that the truth... Could you imagine how fast a ranger would die if RoA double attacked? haha<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh but you'd go down in a blaze of glory!!  :smileyvery-happy:

[Somethiing]

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[doyler2k]

Gratz on 100aa Your EoF Tree looks pretty much like im gonna be going.Although i think ill be putting 5 in the SoA slot as opposed to path finding.Ive found that im critting 1k+ on each cast of SoA plus the additional caustic crits.I also throw Hawk Dive up at the same time for added dps.Still experimenting with the agi/int KoS AAs but so far im loving the crits on poisons,etc <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[duranvaer]

Can you do a quest or pay (where) to do a respec on you AAs? thanks in advance for you response.

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Go into the mage tower in SQ and go into the right portal.  Straight down the steps is a guy who will allow you to respec your AA's.  The first time is 1 silver, and the price increases with each subsequent respec.  There is also an npc in Kelethin who offers the same service, but I'm not sure exactly where he is.</font><div></div>

[duranvaer]

<DIV>Thank you.</DIV>

[Gerdos]

<DIV>Grats Some, ... its pretty much the way i've gone.  Still debating where to put the final 5 points.   I can definetly see the benefits of buffing pathfinding, but the benefits are really only useful for soloing/grouping.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Q.  With 5 points into pathfinding .. what does pathfinding run speed amount to?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Somethiing]

<DIV>46%</DIV>

[blackdog1]

I love the path finding.It's something you can actually see.But does cost alot of points. <div></div>