Dissappointed

[Rabbitoh]

<DIV>I would first off like to give some background info on my ranger. He is a lvl 70 on the pvp server venekor. Equipped in nemis and relic armour, mastered mostly with some adept 3s (none ranged). Jewelery is fable and legendary and i use the rescinding curved bow with 2 pvp dual weilding weapons (living stone blade and the astral katana). I would say he is well equiped</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The changes to rangers since the introduction of the PvP servers has deteriorated them to being close to a poor choice either on a PvP server or PvE server. Why would you want a ranger in a raid when they are out dps by many other classes now. We offer nothing a raid or group except for path finding and other scouts do that anyway. Occassionally you may get asked to surveil pull or mircle shot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The cost of running a ranger is now too exspensive to raid. It costs me around 2p per raid on buying arrows and i cannot keep summioning arrows fast enough. The 2p doesn't include poisons or repair costs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now to the PvP part. As i have stated above we offer nothing to a group in terms of buffs and we are out dps by many classes now. Only 1 ranged attack can be cast on the run now and that is an attack that must be cast behind the opponent. Getting range and more importantly keeping range is almost impossible. Yes we have 3 snares, but they break easily, yes we have a root, but it only lasts 2 secs, yes we have point blank but only pushes them back 3m and stuns them for a very short duration, we have cheap shot but that is in close combat art, that is no good for rangers and yes we have thorny trap, but the cast time is way to long, trap area is a joke and most players carry cures. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With the introduction of EoF came the changes to mounts going backwards and their reduction of movement. This means for a ranger, we have to cancel our mounts and run around on foot. SOE in their graciousness allowed us an aa line that gives us increased pathfinding speeds and reduced power sprinting penalties. Rangers aren't defensive creatures we are meant to be dps and this is a garbage line as far as i am concerned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now to our dps. How the hell can we be called a dps class when alot of other classes out dps us now. In pvp i can be 1 shotted by shadow knights by ruinous touch, wizzies nearly 1 shot me with ice nova if i am not carefully brigs can chain stun me and have me dead before it breaks, assasins can decapitate me for around 5k and then stifle me and i have good gear. I feel sorry for rangers on pvp servers with lesser gear than mine. Rangers do not have a 1 shot in the game and yet so many other classes have that ability. I am not asking for a 1 shot either btw</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The changes to the mititgation and avoidance is ridiculous as well. I believe are a agility based class and yet my avoidance can be lower than that of a caster and my mitigation can be equal to that of a clothie and i wear chain? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>SOE PLEASE TAKE NOTE YOU ARE KILLING THE RANGER CLASS</U> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOLUTIONS:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Give us back some ranged attacks that can be cast on the run. Get rid of hawke dive and give us something useful, this spell actually limits our dps not increases it and it is crap when soloing if that was its intended purpose.</DIV> <DIV>Allow rangers a special ability that allows us to backup in combat without penalty. Either give us better melee attacks or get rid of them all together and give us better snares, roots, traps, stifle that allow us to keep range and/or more ranged attacks. Point blank was an excellent skill when it first came out, but no, it helped ranges and it had to be dramatically reduced. Or give us buffs to help groups so that we contribute to the overall prowess of the group. This would help us solo alot better as well in PvE</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Give us a spell that allows us to summon decent arrows at a decent rate. 60 arrows every 15 mins (m1) is a joke with the new changes to mobs, hell i can go though 100 arrows in a fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If something isn't done soon i believe the ranger will become the poor peasant class of a by gone era, where stories will be told of " remember the ranger, it was a great fun class to play", like we do with eq1 classes now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you have any other positive suggestions for our class please post, as i want SOE to really look at us. We have been nerfed to far and enough is enough.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CLASS, WE ARE HURTING NOW AND YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO US.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dreadnaught Molok lvl 70 ranger of the proud guild Exile.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Taekwondo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>I feel your pain man.  I agree with a lot of your points, and although I am only 68 at the moment, and not nearly as well equipped, I do have to disagree on the whole one shot thing to an extent.  I don't get it often, and it's usually against a cloth wearer when I do, but sniper shot under the right circumstances can take down a caster at 70 with one shot.  I have done it and I am sure you have too, unless I was just really lucky those 4 or 5 times.  I DO think that the damage cap for PvP on sniper shot is crap tho.  Why is it so dramatically reduced?  I have a 14k crit as my highest melee attack with sniper shot against a mob, but I have never seen it go above 3k (and rarely come close to that) in PvP.  Most of my CA's (melee and ranged) are Adept3 or Master, and I am wearing full Xegonite with Hoo'Loh hat, but my jewelry needs serious upgrading, and most of my utilities are Adept1 or better.</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>On the other hand, if said caster happens to be grouped (and on Nagafen, it's hard to find a Freeporter that isn't grouped, and lately it's hard to find any of them that aren't in a x2 or x3 at least) then the story changes.  As long as my group is keeping the healers busy, I can usually burn down a caster if I can get sniper shot off and then do Devitalizing, Amazing and Triple, but even then, if the healer is on the ball, I still can't take him down before I am gang-[Removed for Content].  And this is just a caster!  I have no chance against another scout class or a plate wearer, and bruisers just pulverize me. </P> <P>I agree with the statements about our DPS though.  I have been parsing a lot lately to see where I stand, and I am really disappointed when I see a plate wearer at the top of the parse 70% of the time.  Now, this berserker happens to be in my guild and he's a great player, with awesome gear, but still, how is that balance if he can tank AND dps better than a supposed DPS class?  Like you said, we can't take hits, but we should really be able to dish them out.  And the few times I DO make it to the top of the parse, it's because I go all out on an epic or named and the fight lasts longer than 10 seconds so I can actually use most of my ranged attacks.  If I don't get more than 3 or 4 shots tho, the monk, berserker, wizard and fury usually destroy me in dps, and sometimes the guardian even manages to beat me.</P> <P>I think if anything, reducing the cast timers and recast timers is the best way to go.  That way, we're doing damage faster (like we're supposed to) and feeling more useful.  The downside to that would be even MORE arrows being bought, and a higher likelihood of pulling aggro and having more repair costs.  I don't know about you, but my autoattack in PvP isn't worth a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] unless the guy I'm chasing was fighting and about to die when he started to run.  Otherwise, I might as well be hurling turds at him for all the good it does.  Not to mention the fact that even if I snare a guy it puts me in combat but not him, so he's free to run at normal run speed after 3 seconds while I am stuck with no modifier.  And that 6% or whatever that you get from AA isn't worth the cost because 6% chasing 48% will lose every time.</P> <P>I would love to see the cost of adamantine arrows dropped by about 3sp so I could do an instance and MAKE money instead of coming out with less than I started with.  Dropping 2pp is the norm now, and unless I manage to snag a Master I can sell or some uber piece of armor, I end up counting on my abilities as an armorer to make me some more money so I can keep on adventuring.  And that's a loser right there too.  I only ask for donations when I craft, but even then, people just don't seem to want MC armor that much.  I don't think it's the greatest in the game, but it sure is nice to have something to fall back on when you are raiding Akhen Aten (or however you spell it) and you get wiped 14 times.  </P> <P>I WANT MY ENDLESS QUIVER ALREADY! lol come on guys!  Where is the love for the ranger?  I mean, if it wasn't for us, there wouldn't be any really cool stories!  Drizzt, Strider, Tanis Half-Elven (I think, it's been 14 years since I read Dragonlance), were all great fantasy rangers, and there are almost always a couple variations on these names in every fantasy RPG I have played.  Even my toon's name is derived from an elven ranger in a novel.  And no it's not exactly the same name.</P> <P>Holy crap, I never realized how much I tend to ramble on until now.  /ramble off</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Taekwondo on <span class=date_text>12-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:55 AM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<P>We should condense all the unhappy ranger threads. Everyday there seems to be a new one. /sigh</P> <P>If you're in a half decent raid guild, your arrow and DPS problems shouldn't be an issue.. but you'll need alot of patience, or alot of luck. Until you get T8 ammo and a bow with 100+ DR it will seem like rangers are extremely underpowered. Once you have both, you should see a huge change in your DPS. Our DPS becomes almost a non-issue at that point. </P> <P> </P>

[kidpaul]

<div></div>That seems to be the answer every ranger hear. Just get one of the bows that summons T8 ammo and a 100+ DR bow and our dps is great. and sure that is probably a great way to up our dps especially for raiding rangers but I see one problem with this.Now haveing a bow in T7 that can summons T8 ammo can be seen as a great perk that is very nice of SOE to give to the ranger community considering it can give rangers access to a Tier in the game noone else has access to but it can also be viewed as a sad "fix" to the ranger DPS not that our DPS with T7 bows and T7 ammo isn't good cause I think it is. but alot of rangers out there say ohh "just" get T8 ammo and your golden but you dont stop to think about the fact that some day probably atleast a year or two from now SOE is going to increase the lvl cap leting loose all the other players in the T8 segment assassins, brigands, swashies everybody will be able to get T8 weapons and what are we gonna do then? get a bow that summons T9 ammo? I dont see that as a good solution.Rangers lucky enough to get a bow that summons T8 can enjoy a minor golden age I guess or atleast until the other classes catches up.<div></div><p>Message Edited by kidpaul on <span class=date_text>12-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:01 AM</span>

[Gerdos]

<P>:smileysad:</P> <P>oh, i like the other thread much more. . this wont do at all.</P> <P> </P> <P>I only use Bazkul, .. but, i've found myself, for the 1st time in a long time (since DoF) days, having to hold back my dps.  I have 88 AA points and setup with a lot of adornments, and pretty much have most of the gear i would want (not counting sarnak/corruption/gdoh).   I can now pull agro on a regular basis.   And that's with me still using deagro poisons.   I'm now actively going after equipment with deagro procs (the 1 i linked in another thread helps, cruor bp next) and now being grouped with classes that have a deagro buff.  I'm soloing heroic (green, blue and white) named on a regular basis and having a lot of fun in the process.   Zones like Nizara and CMM is where i spend most of my time, helping others work through their quests.  The challenge factor is what i love ... </P> <P>We all have different perspectives, and different experiences.   Fortunately, i dont share your sentiment or with those who might agree with you.   Arrow issue, yea, i can see being a problem, but once i got Bazkul (admittingly, very early on in KoS) i havent had to worrry about it, becoming more indifferent over time to rangers plights who do suffer from it (yea, i still remember how painful it was, and the tedious workaround to that problem).  It really is equivalent to an endless quiver.</P> <P>I wont comment on PvP, since i'm not familiar with it, but i for one am glad i dont play there.  </P> <P>I genuinely believe, rangers are on par with assassins now.   I also love the new AA tree, as there are many choices that i would love to grab .. although less orientated towards raiding, but ideally suited to soloing/grouping.  Being unsure of which AAs to take because u like so many .. is a great sign, and a step in the right direction.   Once i reach 100, then ill respec and go down a more traditional DPS raid setup (which is pretty much what i'm on now, just the next 12 AA will be built around grouping).</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Gerdos on <span class=date_text>12-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:02 AM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<DIV>The way I see it, there are 3 types of raiding rangers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. New rangers and new raid guilds, rangers always parse at the top of the list.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Mid range raiding rangers, stuck at the 1200dps mark, while everyone and their aunt out dps's them</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. High end rangers... Those equiped with T8 Ammo and 100+ damage rating bows.  They have the right equipment to be back at the top of the list.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im not saying its perfect, Im not saying its right.... What I am saying is, rangers arent as busted as most players would make them out to be. We are good out the gate, slump while everyone else gets the gear needed that makes them better, only to be good again once you have the right tools. Our tools are few and far between, and Im all for adding more and better equipment for rangers. If your guild can clear HoS, and has DT access, its just a waiting game til you get what you need. If you are only managing to clear all or most of Labs, then its going to be very disappointing watching your dps fall beind "insert random non priest class here".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you arent raiding, then DPS isnt an issue. Rangers do well solo, rangers do well in groups. We can perform our "jobs" in just about ALL situations except for the mid-range raid rangers. There should prolly be at least 1 decent Longbow drop in Labs, but there isnt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When the level cap increases, if DPS becomes an issue (and its highly likely that it will) Im sure rangers will be more then eager to point that out, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. </DIV>

[LoreLady]

Way I see it, change your tree.. Get your snaring stuff, remember to debuff.. You can keep someone completely snared with a 5s recast legshot..

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>TerriBlades wrote:<div></div> <p>We should condense all the unhappy ranger threads. Everyday there seems to be a new one. /sigh</p> <p>If you're in a half decent raid guild, your arrow and DPS problems shouldn't be an issue.. but you'll need alot of patience, or alot of luck. Until you get T8 ammo and a bow with 100+ DR it will seem like rangers are extremely underpowered. Once you have both, you should see a huge change in your DPS. Our DPS becomes almost a non-issue at that point. </p> <hr></blockquote>Although I agree with you Terri, I also have to argue a point. I am in a raiding guild. We're not awesome, but we are pretty good. T8 ammo bows drop very rarely and in some pretty difficult raids. I haven't seen one yet. ALthough this IS a fix to the problem, it is NOT a solution. We should NOT have to be able to take down some serious mobs in order to afford to raid. I don't 'play' my Ranger often anymore, but I never miss a raid. I can hardly afford to go on these raids either, it just costs to much money. I'm not complaining about our DPS. I can hold my own. I usually come in right behind the summoners (who on occaision beat my best by 1000DPS). But I will ALWAYS complain about having to spend as much as I do on arrows.I see all my guildmates complaining about spending 20pp on a master, riding their horses and buying their toys. The most money I have ever had on me was 7pp and that was because of a adornment book I got since EoF. I shouldn't have to sit around 1-2 days per week doing nothing but summoning arrows, but I do because I can't afford to buy them.</div>

[TerriBlades]

<P>You'll get no arguements from me Teksun. I was in that position a few months ago. Clearing HoS, Clearing DT... always waiting for those bows to drop... Come to think of it, as long as we have been clearing DT, we have still not seen Bazkul... have only seen Ichorstrand once (and we were killing the Morphous Drake from the first time we stepped foot into the zone) and have only seen  one Sarnak. </P> <P>My guild did what was prolly the cruelest thing I could think of right after I my paws on Sarnak. I raided once with it... then we lost 1 brigand to an injury, and our second brigand quit. So there I was (up until last week) raiding on my brigand alt (with common legendary gear). Thank god our other brigand finally made it back in game, and even bigger thanks that I didnt forget how to pull a bowstring while I was pretending to be a melee class :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[TheStormrider]

<P>Well, I happen to fall in that 1200 dps range at the moment.  But theres even more factors than that.  I have mediocre hodge-podge gear,  but I use every poison,  ability, perk I can get.  If I am put in the Buffed dps group,  with 100% dps, 100% haste,  I can pull 1200-1600 dps in raids.  If I am put in the caster group,  I pull 600-1000dps.  Now im talking average,  and Im talking about the same mobs that are all x4 1 min. ish fights.</P> <P>My point is for some rangers,  its also the group.  Now,  Im using the darkfury longbow,  and the raincaller (though not on tactical mobs,  end mobs,  as the stun immunity it causes makes ppl unhappy<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and I can still manage to do high end dps.</P> <P>It costs me a crapload of cash though.  Lets say I have a pc by my desk all day,  I summon arrows.  Some ppl have a proggy that pushes the button all day for them.  I can summon with AD3 spell,  roughly 1500 in a day.  I burn through those in an hour or two playing.  I also burn through 40 gold worth of poisons,  and at least 25g in repairs.  5 gold in food.  </P> <P>Now it gets more difficult.  I find a few adepts or treasured or even a master.  I need adornments,  so all the treasured/adepts go towards that.  I need god abilities so all the no drop goes towards that.  My guildie needs that master,  so there that goes.  So I average about 25 gold profit a night,  on a good day when all said and done.</P> <P>Now some of you are going to call bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because its not that way for you,  and your RIGHT!</P> <P>The other ranger in my guild,  is fully fabled with a sarnak and a ichorstrand.  He makes a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] load of money,  gets 4 masters a night,  and kills a tun of things that most ppl cant.  He spent his 30plat on a spell last week and now has 20p back,  just from running around killing names.</P> <P>Topping it off on my list of complaints is that new in eof is a lot of new gear.  which annoys the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] outta me.  Gear with a bit highre resists.  Gear with +3 to this and +2 to that.  Its a bidding war,  and everything that drops you hear:</P> <P>Ohh I need that for resist gear.</P> <P>Ohh I need that for +blah to blah.</P> <P>Ohh I need that for discovery exp.</P> <P>Ohh I need that for transmuting.</P> <P>Ohh I need that for ... you get my point.</P> <P>So its becoming increasingly more difficult to gear up,  because they changed the 'standard' and didnt retrofit any of the old gear.  A standard treasured piece of gear has better resists than some of my relic,  or legendary from KoS.  The old gear should have been upped to match,  so that people wouldnt be having such a hard time,  now entering the game.</P> <P>But its good for SoE, because it means ppl will need the expansion to meet the standard now.</P> <P>Im generally happy with the game,  dont get me wrong,  but its the shortsidedness that annoys the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] outta me.  Changing caps, balances,  maxes, resists, skills, over and over again.  Id like to see the expanded plan for the way combat is now.  Up to level 200 or whatever crazy cap they have to see if they have thought it out again. Obviously the initially planned the code to 50,  then increased to 60, and reworked everything,  without imagining 70,  then without imagining AA's,  and then the new AA's,  so what did htey forget this time.</P> <P>/rant off</P> <P>Sorry. In short,  I say keep the good bows/ammo/etc on the dragons.  But lets see it drop for christ sakes.  And whats the harm of having 3/4 things in a chest, as long as they are all different classes.</P> <P>I mean,  take menace,  it doesnt take us more than a couple pulls now,  but it took us 4 days of trying to get him the first time.  It drops 1 thing perchest,  and not that great.  Lets say it takes 1-2 hrs to get it right on average.  </P> <P>So you have 24 people,  for 2 hrs, and get 1 item.  Its no wonder so few ppl actually make it to the raiding aspect of the game.'</P> <P>If I told my friends 'Hay, you 24 guys come over and spend a few hours working on my car,  clearing out my attick,  and fixing my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn],  and when were done,  ill buy one of you a pair of levis' they would tell me to [Removed for Content] off.  Especially when I told them 'ohh and they might not fit,  and they might be worse than the ones your wearing.</P> <P> </P>

[LoreLady]

In all things, the amount of difficulty usually comes hand in hand with the amount of fun.. You know those mobs where everyone survives at 5% health and everyones OOM, and you kill it in the nick of time everyone is sweating blood in RL... THATS when things are the most fun, and that is what we call progression..This game will get alot easier in the upcomming months - the college kids are comming out of the woodwork so you will find more items, more transmuting ppl, more gear, more raids up.. This all means cheaper stuff for you!..If you are one of those people who want to sit around and relax and dont want a challenge - go and fight solo green con mobs and not white ^^^'s... this is an amazing game for its challenge and speed, and its a shame more people dont feel that way.

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStormrider wrote: <P>I mean,  take menace,  it doesnt take us more than a couple pulls now,  but it took us 4 days of trying to get him the first time.  It drops 1 thing perchest,  and not that great.  Lets say it takes 1-2 hrs to get it right on average. </P> <P>So you have 24 people,  for 2 hrs, and get 1 item.  Its no wonder so few ppl actually make it to the raiding aspect of the game.'</P> <P>If I told my friends 'Hay, you 24 guys come over and spend a few hours working on my car,  clearing out my attick,  and fixing my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn],  and when were done,  ill buy one of you a pair of levis' they would tell me to [Removed for Content] off.  Especially when I told them 'ohh and they might not fit,  and they might be worse than the ones your wearing.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I couldnt agree more here.  After all the work we put into clearing CMF the first time, only to open the chest and see... A Balanced Magnetic Dagger? [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kinda junk loot it that? Really took something away from the kill, but hey, at least we got it.. And should continue to get it. CMF on farm status.<BR>

[xandez]

well, after i started my warden alt... and especially when i turned it into a melee warden... i've rarely even logged in with my ranger <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div>

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>xandez wrote:well, after i started my warden alt... and especially when i turned it into a melee warden... i've rarely even logged in with my ranger <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div><hr></blockquote>Smart choice... I made a monk... they are the Ranger of the Tank class <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[LoreLady]

<DIV>Just flip monks the bird - let it tank foryou.. We all know its uber to tank for us!</DIV>

[dancer]

<DIV>before reading past the OP and getting to what i asumme to be the "fanbois" telling him to qq more and gimme your stuff etc</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im gonna have to say i agree with 99% of what you said, and could add more if i didnt feel it was pointless at this point =)  GG to you sir!</DIV>

[Caliga]

I don't have problems doing t1 damage in a group where I can use my bow and shoot mobs in the back.  But soloing is a task for me now.  I've been spending time with a guy that parses every fight and I've gotten to compare my bow damage with my melee.  I thought they were comparable.  Ha!  I do three times as much damage with my bow which means unless the mob is willing to be nice and stand far away from me, I suck.  Being a ranger is still doable, but its a lot more work than other classes.<div></div>

[LoreLady]

Sounds like you need to reevaluate how you solo then, I was taking down some blue ^^^ wolves without a hitch, got myself a nice aa' too.

[dancer]

<DIV>yea im with lorelady on this one, im not concerned w/ my soloablity, i solo stuff id rather not broadcast here =)   My problem is the difficulty and money expendature that is required to even come NEAR some of the other dps classes on raids.   Basically, if it doesnt cast, its dead =p  </DIV>

[LoreLady]

Money is a problem - but going to other class's dps.. I just got out of a pickup raid earlier, and no one else got within 30% of me.. I dunno, is that good or bad? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />In my own guild - im usually around the dps of our necro, and our assassin stays the same dps as me with his adept 3's, compared to my master 1's lol.. Yea theres a problem if you dont have aa's but I forsee there being a drastic change in aa's where im ontop.

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>Money is a problem - but going to other class's dps.. I just got out of a pickup raid earlier, and no one else got within 30% of me.. I dunno, is that good or bad? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>In my own guild - im usually around the dps of our necro, and our assassin stays the same dps as me with his adept 3's, compared to my master 1's lol.. Yea theres a problem if you dont have aa's but I forsee there being a drastic change in aa's where im ontop.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In all fairness LL, it was a pickup raid. I dont see any numbers, or even the classes in the raid so I really cant say for sure, but if I had to take a guess.. it would be bad :smileytongue:

[Magius789]

<DIV>A lot of very good points on both sides.  I picked a ranger because there were a lot of really good RP stories in novels I've read but I think the EQ2 ranger is a poor comparison to what most people would consider a ranger.  A lot of people have said well get this and this and this item and you're fine.  If you take into account the number of people that play rangers its a very small number of us that will get to the lvl and items people are bringing up.  Probably only a few per server if that.  I hate to say it but the sad fact is SOE doesn't care so we just have to get used to being beat up and realize we will never be what a real ranger is.  :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Privan</DIV>

[Torrin]

All of you that talk about how ranger dps isn't a problem.  Go check out the other DPS classes Top tier (57-70) Abilities, and their new EoF AA tree.. and get back to me.For example.. for a Ranger to come close to matching the damage potential of the Pre-EoF Assassin would mean Maxing out Str / Agi Line plus the DPS Line in the EoF Tree, as well as the Focus line.  Rangers have been dumbed down so much it's not even funny while it seems so many other classes are getting major league boosts.<div></div>

[Badaxe Ba]

<P>Kudos to the OP, you're on subject.  However I don't think an endless quiver is the best solution.  This once, I believe other classes need to be brought into the same arena.</P> <P>spellcasters-buy spell ingredients</P> <P>priests-buy sacrificial items for spells</P> <P>melee'rs-buy shields and or weapons after broken to uselessness (and rangers sadly would fall into this category as well when we're forced to melee)</P> <P>Let the pendulum swing at the other classes for a change.  Then, when they all are screaming and crying over costs, we can tell em "roll a ranger"</P> <P> </P>

[Squigglle]

i agree, i am sucking it up with no ranged on the move casting. its impossible to kite alot of stuff.

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Squigglle wrote:<BR> i agree, i am sucking it up with no ranged on the move casting. its impossible to kite alot of stuff.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>acquire some good poisons, use your root, stuns, and snares and its possible to kite most anything.  i can kite green heroic names only getting hit a few times.</P>

[BSbon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Squigglle wrote:<BR> i agree, i am sucking it up with no ranged on the move casting. its impossible to kite alot of stuff.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>that's their intention

[Xenon Crimson]

1. Stop sucking and work hard, it aint easy being a ranger anymore.2. Get kitted - might take some time but you'll get there in the end.3. done.<div></div>

[LoreLady]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xenon Crimson wrote:<BR>1. Stop sucking and work hard, it aint easy being a ranger anymore.<BR>2. Get kitted - might take some time but you'll get there in the end.<BR>3. done.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Lol - too true! </P> <P>I usually dont have a problem kiting, and I am actually kind of excited to solo once I get the 5s recast time to snaring shot <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>