Finesse of the magi

[Lotusd]

Anyone use this yet? heard some ppl saying may cause more agro then decrease, I dunnoThe adornment is put on a primary or secondary,  decreases threat to AoE by 1295, proc occurs around once per min.Kinda thought it would be a nice proc on one of the DW. If you calcuate the treasured proc's that you can put on there only like 5-8 dps so by putting a threat decreaser on one your not loosing that much <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />anyway just seeing if anyone has been brave enough to make one of these yet.CheersLotus<div></div>

[Crychtonn]

<P>If I remember correct it only proc's off spell casts.  That would make it pretty useless for any scout to use.  It could proc off Vines, Surveil or Elude as I believe those get counted as spell casts but in general it's not an adornment for scouts.</P> <P> </P>

[Lotusd]

Bah your right, Reading the whole description before posting.. Priceless<div></div>

[Vaiko]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote: <P>If I remember correct it only proc's off spell casts.  That would make it pretty useless for any scout to use.  It could proc off Vines, Surveil or Elude as I believe those get counted as spell casts but in general it's not an adornment for scouts.</P> <P> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I’ve never seen any of the styles you mention proc a ‘on cast’ proc. Do you assume they are spells or do you have seen them proc something? I think spells would have their own spell window in knowledge. Ranger have only combat arts.

[Crychtonn]

<P>I haven't grouped with a Troub in awhile but they used to and I'm guess still do have a chance to proc the Troub group spell proc buff.  I don't have any equipment I use that have spell proc's on them since they would give very little bonus compared to what they'd replace.  Fighters and their taunts work the same way.  Taunts are listed as CA's but work as spells and will proc spell proc's also.  That's why the bone clasp girdle is very nice for crusaders.  Since alot of their attacks are spells plus their taunts which at like spells they can gain alot from using it.</P> <P> </P>

[Vaiko]

I know that the Trub proc works on ranger but I don’t remember the spell description. The girdle for example does not work for ranger. Never saw the girdle proc on the styles you mentioned.

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Am I wrong in thinking that poison procs count as a spell?  Isn't that why INT increases the damage of poison procs?Bah.  SOE's vague terminology is really frustrating sometimes.</font><div></div>

[Lev]

Yes the poisons are considered spells, but they are also procs, and procs cannot proc another proc.. not sure that made sense.<div></div>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vaiko wrote:<BR> I know that the Trub proc works on ranger but I don’t remember the spell description. The girdle for example does not work for ranger. Never saw the girdle proc on the styles you mentioned.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'd have to check the bone clasp on my conjuror to verify this.  But the bone clasp proc might be one of the "on successful hostile spell" proc's and not a "successfull spell" proc.  The difference between the two types is the hostile spell proc will only go off on spells that do damage.  Where the successful spell proc will proc of damage spells and spells that do no damage like debuffs, roots and our snare, surveil ect.  If I'm guessing right and the bone clasp is a hostile spell only proc then there would be no way for a ranger to make it proc.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vaiko wrote:<BR> I know that the Trub proc works on ranger but I don’t remember the spell description. The girdle for example does not work for ranger. Never saw the girdle proc on the styles you mentioned.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'd have to check the bone clasp on my conjuror to verify this.  But the bone clasp proc might be one of the "on successful hostile spell" proc's and not a "successfull spell" proc.  The difference between the two types is the hostile spell proc will only go off on spells that do damage.  Where the successful spell proc will proc of damage spells and spells that do no damage like debuffs, roots and our snare, surveil ect.  <FONT color=#ff0000>If I'm guessing right and the bone clasp is a hostile spell only proc then there would be no way for a ranger to make it proc.</FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I can assure you that rangers CAN make the bone clasp proc.. what I cant do, is tell you how :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>No, no... not cause I dont want to, but because Im just not sure. I only know it does after checking a parse we had against Tarinax and seeing the proc listed.<BR></P>

[Vaiko]

Interesting, I never saw it proc for me. Could you dig out which events happened at the same time? How often did you saw it proc?

[TerriBlades]

Well I dont normally use the Bone Clasped, it was more or less an experiement to see if I could get it to proc. I could test this out tonight when I get home and see what makes it proc. Im pretty sure its going to end up being some form of debuff, and I rarely ever used those unless it was an orange con mob...

[aelder~]

<P>Both troubador procs, Aria of Acclimation (buff) and Precision of the Maestro (short duration spell), are triggered by "successful hostile spell" meaning damage must be inflicted.  I can confirm that the plain bard debuffs (no damage component) do not trigger the damage procs; I assume the logic is that some of them are very fast cast and recast if removed and so not intenteded to be wash/rinse/repeat damage trigger.  The bone clasp girdle shares this description (on hostile cast) but I cannot confirm or deny whether it triggers on straight debuffs.</P> <P> </P> <P>Happy Hunting,</P> <P>Aelder Silmaril, 70 Troubador of Intimidation on Befallen</P>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>aelder~ wrote:<P>Both troubador procs, Aria of Acclimation (buff) and Precision of the Maestro (short duration spell), are triggered by "successful hostile spell" meaning damage must be inflicted.  I can confirm that the plain bard debuffs (no damage component) do not trigger the damage procs; I assume the logic is that some of them are very fast cast and recast if removed and so not intenteded to be wash/rinse/repeat damage trigger.  The bone clasp girdle shares this description (on hostile cast) but I cannot confirm or deny whether it triggers on straight debuffs.</P><P> </P><P>Happy Hunting,</P><P>Aelder Silmaril, 70 Troubador of Intimidation on Befallen</P><hr></blockquote>This is completely incorrect. You do not need to use a damage spell to get a proc from a "Successfull Hostile Spell" proc. You just need to use a Spell. But consider this, Rangers don't have spells, so it won't help you anyway. But this person is incorrect, and non-damage spells DO trigger Successfull Hostile Spell procs.