New Bows in EoF?

[Peadar2]

<DIV>Anyone playing Beta encounter any new Bows for us? I mean quest rewards or drops from named mobs...not concerned about raid drops...we have enough problems getting those now. Would be nice to have something other than Grizzfazzle we can use.</DIV>

[Jay]

I assume you know this, but the Raincaller bow is available as a Heritage quest reward, but unfortunately it sounds like a Tier 6 item, not suitable for rangers in their 60s.

[TaleraRis]

<DIV>Rain Caller! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It has stats similar to Grizz and a stun proc(Think it was proc rather than effect, woe is me I don't have one yet)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Peadar2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> I assume you know this, but the Raincaller bow is available as a Heritage quest reward, but unfortunately it sounds like a Tier 6 item, not suitable for rangers in their 60s.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>hmmm didn't know about Raincaller but if its T6 its not going to help. Was hoping for T7 item with slightly better stats than Grizzfazzle.

[pseudocide]

<DIV>no trueshot HQ?</DIV>

[Stormhawk]

<blockquote><hr>pseudocide wrote:<div></div> <div>no trueshot HQ?</div><hr></blockquote>Raincaller is the HQ. The Trueshot quest line actually ends with Raincaller in EQLive.<div></div>

[Shaulin Dolamite]

I have yet to see a single bow linked in beta besides the rain caller. Unfortinately it doesnt look like we are going to broaden are bow selection in EoF.

[Peadar2]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shaulin Dolamite wrote:<BR> I have yet to see a single bow linked in beta besides the rain caller. Unfortinately it doesnt look like we are going to broaden are bow selection in EoF.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Was afraid of that <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gerdos]

<P>their there ... :smileywink:</P>

[TaleraRis]

Rain Caller is the enchanted Trueshot <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I had kind of hoped they would have a Trueshot quest, then a quest to upgrade it to Rain Caller. <div></div>

[KnightOfTheWo]

I'm guessing that it's possible that the loot tables for (some?) of the raid zones/mobs will have maybe one or two new T7 bows. Unfortunately that leaves us where we are today, with the best bows out of reach for the majority of Rangers. That said, for everyone but the top raiders or professional gamers, we at least have the Grizz bow and a fairly decent player crafted weapon, imbued ebony. Also as mentioned elsewhere the Ghostly Bow of Blyze is often overlooked as a good bow for most players.Still, the quested bow we were all hoping for (Raincaller) is in, just not the level 70 bow we wanted. It's a huge expansion, so there <b>might </b>be another Grizzfazzle type quest out there somewhere. Anyway, we're all in the same boat at the moment. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[TheStormrider]

<DIV>The funniest part about it, if you call the lack of bows funny that is,  is that theres a ranger on the front of the box.  With a bow.  <BR><BR>One of the interesting things about the whole bow issue is that just recently for the first time I have gotten to raid with a fully equipped ranger with a Sarnak and T8 ammo.  All fabled gear,  and full AA's and he does do first tier damage.  He was almost 400 pts of damage above me on the parse.  What makes it so interesting is that he,  like other high end raiders think its balanced pretty well.  They dont want change,  because that would mean either nerfing their weapons,  or making them less godlike compared to other rangers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The funny thing is that I dont really blame them.  Part of me wishes it were easy for me to get a ultra high damage bow but the same part probably wouldnt want everyone to have one so that could feel special.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So how do you really address that issue?  You have to admit,  its a tough one<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV> <DIV>Im very dissapointed that there arent some 'gap filler' bows however in the expansion.  Something that is substancially better than crafted,  but a good amount lower than sarnak.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my .02c</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TaleraRis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KnightOfTheWord wrote:<BR>I'm guessing that it's possible that the loot tables for (some?) of the raid zones/mobs will have maybe one or two new T7 bows. Unfortunately that leaves us where we are today, with the best bows out of reach for the majority of Rangers. That said, for everyone but the top raiders or professional gamers, we at least have the Grizz bow and a fairly decent player crafted weapon, imbued ebony. Also as mentioned elsewhere the Ghostly Bow of Blyze is often overlooked as a good bow for most players.<BR><BR>Still, the quested bow we were all hoping for (Raincaller) is in, just not the level 70 bow we wanted. It's a huge expansion, so there <B>might </B>be another Grizzfazzle type quest out there somewhere. Anyway, we're all in the same boat at the moment. <SPAN>:smileyhappy:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There's a high level Signature quest that starts in LFay that I don't think anyone has finished yet. It's possible there may be a bow reward along the chain. It has like 8 quests in it, or something like that. Saw a dev post the entire run.

[pseudocide]

<DIV>why are you all getting your underwear in a bunch?  all the good bows in KoS (besides grizzfazzle) are dropped in raid zones.  raid zones don't get fully explored until after the expansion is actually released, so we shouldn't expect to know much about new bows until people start to work the EoF raid zones.</DIV>

[TaleraRis]

<div><blockquote><hr>pseudocide wrote:<div>why are you all getting your underwear in a bunch?  all the good bows in KoS (besides grizzfazzle) are dropped in raid zones.  raid zones don't get fully explored until after the expansion is actually released, so we shouldn't expect to know much about new bows until people start to work the EoF raid zones.</div><hr></blockquote>The first post specifically says non-raid drops. So it doesn't matter if the raid zones are fully explored or not. There *are* other rangers out there besides raiding rangers in high end guilds who eat, drink and breathe raiding, so some of us would prefer a decent bow that *doesn't* require a raid. And tying any chance of a good bow into raiding is a fallacy, as it creates an artificial gap between different playstyles that should never exist in the first place. </div>

[pseudocide]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TaleraRis wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>why are you all getting your underwear in a bunch?  all the good bows in KoS (besides grizzfazzle) are dropped in raid zones.  raid zones don't get fully explored until after the expansion is actually released, so we shouldn't expect to know much about new bows until people start to work the EoF raid zones.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The first post specifically says non-raid drops. So it doesn't matter if the raid zones are fully explored or not. There *are* other rangers out there besides raiding rangers in high end guilds who eat, drink and breathe raiding, so some of us would prefer a decent bow that *doesn't* require a raid. And tying any chance of a good bow into raiding is a fallacy, as it creates an artificial gap between different playstyles that should never exist in the first place. <BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>you may not like it, but raiding is just about the only way to get good gear, hell the prismatic quest alone requires 6 raids if not more.  grizzfazzles is a good bow, i'd be interested to know how many single group drops of any weapon type in EoF are better than grizzfazzles.<BR></DIV>

[Tarryn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>grizzfazzles is a good bow, i'd be interested to know how many single group drops of any weapon type in EoF are better than grizzfazzles.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Which is what the original poster was asking, wasn't it?

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tarryn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>grizzfazzles is a good bow, i'd be interested to know how many single group drops of any weapon type in EoF are better than grizzfazzles.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Which is what the original poster was asking, wasn't it?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>i asked about weapons of <U>any</U> type, OP asked about bows only</P>

[Shaulin Dolamite]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>why are you all getting your underwear in a bunch?  all the good bows in KoS (besides grizzfazzle) are dropped in raid zones.  raid zones don't get fully explored until after the expansion is actually released, so we shouldn't expect to know much about new bows until people start to work the EoF raid zones.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I wouldnt say being conserned that the same thing doesnt happen in EoF as it did in kos getting our panties in a bunch. Any ranger should be concerned that the limited number of high end bows doesnt continue with EoF. I mean come on, whats the ratio between nice 2 hander weapons to nice bows, 20to1?

[pseudocide]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shaulin Dolamite wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>why are you all getting your underwear in a bunch?  all the good bows in KoS (besides grizzfazzle) are dropped in raid zones.  raid zones don't get fully explored until after the expansion is actually released, so we shouldn't expect to know much about new bows until people start to work the EoF raid zones.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I wouldnt say being conserned that the same thing doesnt happen in EoF as it did in kos getting our panties in a bunch. Any ranger should be concerned that the limited number of high end bows doesnt continue with EoF. I mean come on, whats the ratio between nice 2 hander weapons to nice bows, 20to1?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>all true, but i wonder if there arent alot more drops of every type around that haven't dropped yet for beta testers, and if so then perhaps we should just wait a month or 2.  </P> <P>20to1????backslash? honestly are there 20 non-fabled 2handers in KoS better than the grizzfazzles 2h? </P>

[Shaulin Dolamite]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shaulin Dolamite wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pseudocide wrote:<BR> <DIV>why are you all getting your underwear in a bunch?  all the good bows in KoS (besides grizzfazzle) are dropped in raid zones.  raid zones don't get fully explored until after the expansion is actually released, so we shouldn't expect to know much about new bows until people start to work the EoF raid zones.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I wouldnt say being conserned that the same thing doesnt happen in EoF as it did in kos getting our panties in a bunch. Any ranger should be concerned that the limited number of high end bows doesnt continue with EoF. I mean come on, whats the ratio between nice 2 hander weapons to nice bows, 20to1?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>all true, but i wonder if there arent alot more drops of every type around that haven't dropped yet for beta testers, and if so then perhaps we should just wait a month or 2.  </P> <P><STRONG><EM>20to1????backslash? honestly are there 20 non-fabled 2handers in KoS better than the grizzfazzles 2h?</EM></STRONG> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe im reading this last part wrong.. but I was refering to the ratio of legendary and fabled 2h slash crush pierce to legenday and fabled bows. Id say the ratio is easily 20 to 1 bow. There are quite a few 2h slash crush piercers out there over 100 DR and 2 bows over 100DR.<BR></DIV>

[Garlicyesterday]

<DIV>theres a legendary bow that drops in mistmoore catacombs which 1 out of 3 items set....forgot the name , i got disco on it in beta...the other 2 part of the set is 2 rings i beleive...could be interesting but still...if i remember well dr is something similar to grizz</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>edited , looged in and got pic for u guys )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Aledark/EQ2_000003-1.jpg"></DIV><p>Message Edited by Garlicyesterday on <span class=date_text>11-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:38 PM</span>

[pseudocide]

i. want. that. set.<div></div>

[ZababEW]

<DIV>is that a joke increase dmg of range spell by 2? where do u go with 2 more dmg for each shot</DIV>

[KnightOfTheWo]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>ZababEW wrote:<div>is that a joke increase dmg of range spell by 2? where do u go with 2 more dmg for each shot</div><hr></blockquote>Actually it says increases the <u><b>range </b></u>of <b><u>damage </u><u>spells</u>.  </b>So for example, in group combat you might be able to get further away from the mobs and still use all your melee CAs...Edit: Garlic, thanks for that post, it looks like there's more to this little expansion than meets the eye <span>:smileyhappy:</span></div><p>Message Edited by KnightOfTheWord on <span class=date_text>11-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:34 AM</span>

[ZababEW]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KnightOfTheWord wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZababEW wrote:<BR> <DIV>is that a joke increase dmg of range spell by 2? where do u go with 2 more dmg for each shot</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually it says increases the <U><B>range </B></U>of <B><U>damage </U><U>spells</U>.  </B>So for example, in group combat you might be able to get further away from the mobs and still use all your melee CAs...<BR><BR>Edit: Garlic, thanks for that post, it looks like there's more to this little expansion than meets the eye <SPAN>:smileyhappy:</SPAN><BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by KnightOfTheWord on <SPAN class=date_text>11-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:34 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>not bad for effect but well the bow i will never use it</DIV>

[pseudocide]

don't forget that the bow is 1/2 of a set, so it would be alot better if you had both pieces<div></div>

[Lev]

actually that bow is only 1/3 of the set.. and the bonus only takes effect if you have all 3 items.. so all in all that bonus is not a very good one, decent bow though.. nice to see some new stuff.I would be more curious to the model of it.. cause I have seen screens of new bow modells, and I am hoping there is more than just 1 new modell<div></div>

[Garlicyesterday]

<DIV>nop , no special graphic on this bow...just a plain simple bow =)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i beleive so far only known bow with cool graphics is Raincaller which looks like the longbow of corruption...</DIV>