Okay...so I raided for the first time in forever the other day...

[Saihung23]

<DIV>And there was someone parsing the fights <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What was I doing wrong lol?  I only saw a high of about 750 for myself on the parse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Keep in mind...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <OL> <LI>This was a semi PUR</LI> <LI>We mainly consisted of....fighters.</LI> <LI>There were two rangers and NO other scouts</LI> <LI>We had a wizard and two warlocks, and a necro and conj.</LI> <LI>We had 4 healers.</LI></OL> <P>So...as you can see...we did not have a fantastic setup...very heavy fighter raid.  But...we did take care of business in the labs.  We only wiped FULLY once...</P> <P>But...did I embarrass myself and rangers....was 750 an "ok" DPS number considering the makeup?</P> <P>I was using T7 arrows, Grizzlefazzle, adept III's on most big ranged CA's...along with common crafted poisons, and a mix of str. potions and crit bonus potions.</P> <P>I was not really able to run back and grab better poisons that have been collecting dust while I solo'd writs...</P> <P>Whats your opinion? Meh...if you think I sucked due to strategy...thats cool, but let me hear what your strat would be to maximize your damage in a fighter heavy raid.  All opinions appreciated...</P>

[Gareorn]

<DIV>For your first time in lab, and considering you are mostly AD3 and not using the GM damage poison, 750 seems about right.  Lab is a good place to work on refining your skills.  I'm about 50/50 M1/AD3 and still put out some pretty low parses (I'm still using Grizzlefazzle myself).  It only takes one mistake in a fight to drive your DPS into the cellar for that fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No other scouts in the raid is a problem.  Having a brigand or two in the raid really helps out a lot, as well as a trouby or dirge in your group.  It sounds like your raid was missing out on some major mob-debuffing, which would result in higher parses for everyone.  How did your parses compare to the casters?  If they were also parsing low, you are probably on track, but if they were putting out 1.5-2k, then you might have some work to do.  Did the two of you (Rangers) coordinate your de-buff poisons?  One could use gracelessness while the other use warding ebb.  We use a scout channel to coordinate poisons, post parse data, etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And one other thing, I was raiding last night and a pally was posting his parses in the raid channel.  Well, I parse also and his parses for were consistantly approx 150 below what I showed for the some of the scouts.  Turns out, poison damage wasn't showing up on his parses.  It really helps to do your own parses.  You don't have to broadcast them (I never do unless someone asks), but you never know if the other person has their parser set up properly.  Especially, if that person doesn't play a DPS class. :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Saihung23]

<DIV>Thanks for the reply Gar <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Re:  How did the casters parse?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The warlocks were consistently at the top along with the Necro.  About 800 or so. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Compared to the other folks I didnt do that bad at all...I was top 3 a couple of times...and I consistently outdid the Assassin (I forgot the assassin in my breakdown...there was one for a little while).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think only the necro did 900+ all night.  I guess I was par for the raid then.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the perspective Gareorn</DIV>

[Marcuzs]

<P>From the look at the other classes DPS, you were probably right on target. Without a good amount of debuffs and group buffs, your DPS likely wont be much different than any regular pickup group.</P>

[schla]

<div></div><div></div>Welcome to the wonderful frustrating world of raid-rangering Sai <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Considering the classes 750 aint half bad.I will try to offer some advice as wellTry and latch on to an Inquis and a Coercer/Dirge in your group next time, get them to buff your DPS and HasteIf these classes are not available others that help are Serkers for dps proc and Monks for limited haste buff.Make sure you get as close to STR cap as u can (510) or over with some Fortitude potions - I havent experimented with crit potions but I would never use em if my STR is not capped - even then I would prolly use an INT potion instead.Always use Grandmaster Caustic Poison and Ignorant Bliss (With Igno, a good tank and some decent hate buffing I can't even get aggro if I try)Spam Focus Aim when its up and try to combine it with big hitsUse other short duration buffs on important fights (or use em if you are sure they will be back up b4 u reach next named/tough fight)Bear in mind that your auto-attacks can potentially do a lot more damage than some of your lower-damage CA's. Brig is important as has been posted here b4This should get you past the 1k mark at least (think my average in Labs is something like 1.2-1.5)This is just what I can think of here and now ill edit more in if it comes to mePS: Of course steal the Wurm Destroyer from the other rangers when it drops <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by schlamo on <span class="date_text">10-16-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:40 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by schlamo on <span class=date_text>10-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:41 AM</span>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>schlamo wrote:<div></div><div></div>Welcome to the wonderful frustrating world of raid-rangering Sai <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Considering the classes 750 aint half bad.I will try to offer some advice as wellTry and latch on to an Inquis and a Coercer/Dirge in your group next time, get them to buff your DPS and HasteIf these classes are not available others that help are Serkers for dps proc and Monks for limited haste buff.Make sure you get as close to STR cap as u can (510) or over with some Fortitude potions - I havent experimented with crit potions but I would never use em if my STR is not capped - even then I would prolly use an INT potion instead.Always use Grandmaster Caustic Poison and Ignorant Bliss (With Igno, a good tank and some decent hate buffing I can't even get aggro if I try)Spam Focus Aim when its up and try to combine it with big hitsUse other short duration buffs on important fights (or use em if you are sure they will be back up b4 u reach next named/tough fight)Bear in mind that your auto-attacks can potentially do a lot more damage than some of your lower-damage CA's. Brig is important as has been posted here b4This should get you past the 1k mark at least (think my average in Labs is something like 1.2-1.5)This is just what I can think of here and now ill edit more in if it comes to mePS: Of course steal the Wurm Destroyer from the other rangers when it drops <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by schlamo on <span class="date_text">10-16-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:40 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by schlamo on <span class="date_text">10-16-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:41 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>750 is pretty decent given your raid set-up and the fact that you said no one else was parsing high. If you are fighter heavy, try to get a bruiser or zerker in your group. They buff DPS which is most important to us since we buff our own haste. A quizzy has a nice DPS buff as well. With a bruiser and quizzy in your group that will get your DPS to 50% (26% from Bruiser and 24% from Quizzy).  Paladins have a bunch of nice procs they can give you as well. Divine procs that proc on any attack (range and melee).I dont use Bliss anymore but in a PUR you will probably want to. As was said b4, you did pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good with what sounds like a less than optimal raid.</div>

[Darkzman]

<P>Are you wearing Fabled gear yet?</P> <P>Are you using lvl 60 Arrows so your auto-attack does good damage?</P> <P>Are you using a T7 Bow there are two decent ones easy to obtain Grizzfazzel's and the Bow of Beliz from SoS.</P> <P>Is your STR at 400 before grouping it should be if you are fabled out.</P> <P>Are you in that sweet spot where you can do meele and ranged attacks?  To do this and survive AOE's you need fabled gear other wise you run in between AOE's and meele then run back out of AOE Range.</P> <P>Hope that helps, I DPS between 950 - 1150 on average but I'm fabled out with good gear.</P> <P> </P>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkzman wrote:<BR> <P>Are you wearing Fabled gear yet?</P> <P>Are you using lvl 60 Arrows so your auto-attack does good damage?</P> <P>Are you using a T7 Bow there are two decent ones easy to obtain Grizzfazzel's and the Bow of Beliz from SoS.</P> <P>Is your STR at 400 before grouping it should be if you are fabled out.</P> <P>Are you in that sweet spot where you can do meele and ranged attacks?  To do this and survive AOE's you need fabled gear other wise you run in between AOE's and meele then run back out of AOE Range.</P> <P>Hope that helps, I DPS between 950 - 1150 on average but I'm fabled out with good gear.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Fable?  Yeah...I played that for a little while...I liked it.  But my character got old really quickly because I was out [Removed for Content] myself to the ladies too much.  EQ2 is all I really play now.</P> <P>I am using the...arrows in tier....hrmm....I am using the summoned arrows from that level 60 some odd spell.</P> <P>I am using the Grizzlefoshizzle mah nizzle</P> <P>My Strength is usually over 400 without group buffs (just my strength potion if I have it up)</P> <P>I already covered the Fable part...but yep, I try to get that sweet spot....the AoE's never seemed to kill me in the labs run.  Perhaps I am just that uber...or maybe its because I keep the box to fable near my computer...</P> <P>I am fabled out too...I just cant play anymore...</P> <P>Thanks though <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkzman wrote:<div></div> <p>Are you wearing Fabled gear yet?</p> <p>Are you using lvl 60 Arrows so your auto-attack does good damage?</p><p><font color="#ff3300">Answered in his Original post</font></p> <p>Are you using a T7 Bow there are two decent ones easy to obtain Grizzfazzel's and the Bow of Beliz from SoS.</p><p><font color="#ff3300">Answered in his original post</font></p> <p>Is your STR at 400 before grouping it should be if you are fabled out.</p> <p>Are you in that sweet spot where you can do meele and ranged attacks?  To do this and survive AOE's you need fabled gear other wise you run in between AOE's and meele then run back out of AOE Range.</p> <p>Hope that helps, I DPS between 950 - 1150 on average but I'm fabled out with good gear.</p> <hr></blockquote>Did you even read his original post?</div>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div>so, nicely geared (>> average??) ranja can average around 1k DPS?Jut read from the zerker forums that those puppies can put out 1k DPS too... sigh.Well, atleast they have to wear plate so they cant be as agile as us <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Oh and the tanking business... teadious and boring, its good that we are not up to it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>10-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 AM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR> so, nicely geared (>> average??) ranja can average around 1k DPS?<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>Jut read from the zerker forums that those puppies can put out 1k DPS too... sigh</FONT>.<BR>Well, atleast they have to wear plate so they cant be as agile as us <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>Oh and the tanking business... teadious and boring, its good that we are not up to it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR>++Xan<BR> <P>Message Edited by xandez on <SPAN class=date_text>10-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:27 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Well geared Zerkers can put out more then 1k....<BR>

[jarlaxle8]

<P>Welcome to the world of tier 7 raiding as Ranger Sai. :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Well, I think you did pretty well, considering the setup. Others have given the right advices for better setup. Just don't let it get at you when the raid force gets kitted out better and the setups are becoming polished, that other classes are gonna start putting out bigger numbers... :smileywink:</P>

[Amwix]

Welcome to Raiding as a ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Here is what i try to tell ppl when i get tells.* Dps mod is the win get as close to 100% as possible.* Haste is next.. bring that delay down as much as possible.* I personally say use DD posions and Agro ones forget that DOT stuff.Next thing is a little more complex then just buffs & spells..What you need to do is max the amount your auto attack is firing, My auto attack hits for 800 - 3000 (3k being crit).. To do this you need to watch your combat log and try to time your CA's after auto attack has fired.. Dont spam CA's this will in effect lower your DPS. use Honed reflex (35 spell) and Killing instince to push your DPS and haste mods out to max.. I could be wrong but it works for me and I parse 1k - 1.4k 80% of the time.

[Saihung23]

<P>Thanks for the input Amwix <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>I feel honored to get one of your 14 posts <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Seriously, I do try to watch for auto attack...but usually just the graphics...next time out I will have a window just for my attacks set up.</P> <P>Thanks for the advice...and if it works...perhaps I WILL need that deagro poison lol</P>

[Marcuzs]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amwix wrote:<BR>Welcome to Raiding as a ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>Here is what i try to tell ppl when i get tells.<BR><BR>* Dps mod is the win get as close to 100% as possible.<BR>* Haste is next.. bring that delay down as much as possible.<BR>* I personally say use DD posions and Agro ones forget that DOT stuff.<BR><BR>Next thing is a little more complex then just buffs & spells..<BR><BR><STRONG>What you need to do is max the amount your auto attack is firing, My auto attack hits for 800 - 3000 (3k being crit).. To do this you need to watch your combat log and try to time your CA's after auto attack has fired.. Dont spam CA's this will in effect lower your DPS. use Honed reflex (35 spell) and Killing instince to push your DPS and haste mods out to max..</STRONG> <BR><BR>I could be wrong but it works for me and I parse 1k - 1.4k 80% of the time.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I use to wait for autoattack to go off but I have found it is actually better to use your CAs when they are available but to not que them. If you dont que them an autoattack will go off between CAs without having to wait for it to go off, which could leave you doing nothing for 1 to 2 seconds.<BR>

[littleman17]

<P>I did a pick up raid awhile ago, and when I was really trying, I could sustain 700 dps with mainly ad1 (only got two t7 adept and 1 master) and average gear.</P> <P>I use the rare crafted longbow for t7, and makeshift arrows. I also use a xeg ss, and a sharpened chitin dagger thing...</P> <P>It's all about going balls to the wall, maximizing your dps with both ranged and melee attacks, do not under estimate ranger's blade and the frequency you can use long blade and emberstrike.</P> <P>Personally, I like the dot poisons, they can keep your dps going in those times that most of your ca are down, and you are reduced to low haste auto attack.</P>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> littleman17 wrote:<BR> <P>It's all about going balls to the <FONT color=#ff0000>wall, maximizing your dps with both ranged and melee attacks, do not under estimate ranger's blade and the frequency you can use long blade and emberstrike.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The highlighted area pretty much sums it up quite nicely. Rangers have 3 CAs that are on a 10s timer. Two of those are the melee arts listed above, and one is our snare. Its a very rare occassion to use all your CAs and have nothing coming up any time soon. Another good idea is to keep that dot (name eludes me atm) up at all times.<BR>

[Mirdo]

<DIV>We have 2 dots. It's just that one breaks stealth :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mirdo.</DIV>

[xandez]

<div></div>2 DoT:s... could you enlighten me, whats the 2nd one?(besides mortal reminder, that is)++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>10-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:42 AM</span>

[SpiralDown]

Think the second DoT is the bird <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[xandez]

<DIV>bah... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>guess you could call it a DoT... sniff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>++Xan</DIV>

[Mirdo]

<DIV>It's a dot - just not a great one for damage. I personally can't be bothered timing Rangers blade and one of our stealth/back attacks between beak strikes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mirdo.</DIV>

[Jayad]

<P>It's DOHt, as in you go "DOH! why do I have this ability instead of a good one!"</P> <P>I saw a new bird stupidity thing this week.  Our guild was raiding (t7) roost, and the ranger unleashed the hawk early in the fight.  Now when the mob flies away, the hawk follows him up and seems to lock him upstairs, which makes up wait a while after the adds have been taken care of and we notice the mob isn't back. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>