Focus Aim, Killing Instict, and Honed Reflexes, how to maximize dps?

[TimidMou]

<DIV>How does everyone use these three skills to maximize dps?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I am currently doing is at the beginning of the fight, I use FA following by ROA/Stealth/Sniper, then cycle my bow attacks, followed by KI+HR together during my autoattacks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have found my dps to be poor but am not sure if its due to this or other factors (not having CAs mastered, lack of good stat items etc). Currently I use t7 non-legendary poisons (legendary costs 30g per 10 charges on my server) and reach 850 dps if everything goes my way, necros are doing 1800+ dps, thats more than twice my max dps.</DIV>

[Ranja]

First you need to use Master Crafted poison - GM Caustic is the best (highest DD). I usually dont use HR and KI together because I sit at around 70% haste without HR. What bow are you using? What arrows? What is your strength at? Strength decides the damage of our CAs and auto-attack damage.<div></div>

[Merkad]

Hmm, (@bentgate) presumably, when you say you sit at 70% haste normally, you mean self buffed (which is 66% haste most likely, master Viel 43% and DT Haste 23%). HR Adept III is 35% haste, meaning 101% haste. Even if you are at 70% haste normally, that is still only 5% lost. Though really, why not use it? I mean if you always sit at where it will cap/overcap you, then it does not matter when you use it except when you have a spell to use in tandem, such as KI. 97% dps mod with max haste is much better than with 70% haste. (Obviously, if you are maxxed haste in whatever group you are normally in, then yeah, no need to ever use HR).Personally, I don't use Grandmaster Caustic except for tougher fights (for my guild, Cruor and Tarinax is our current level), yesterday when I went to go buy some for said mobs, I had to pay 4gold and change per charge..Man I really detest whatever designer thought adding poisons would be cool for us. (damage only, I have no problem with utility poisons, as that is not a primary function of our class)Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Mronin]

<blockquote><hr>Merkades wrote<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />ersonally, I don't use Grandmaster Caustic except for tougher fights (for my guild, Cruor and Tarinax is our current level), yesterday when I went to go buy some for said mobs, I had to pay 4gold and change per charge..Man I really detest whatever designer thought adding poisons would be cool for us. (damage only, I have no problem with utility poisons, as that is not a primary function of our class)Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.<hr></blockquote>I totally understand that and depending on the raid the cost of damage poison can be totally outrageous. Though I do take the reverse tack when it comes to damage poison, I use caustic grouped and a dot poison or mental/vitality breach on longer raids/mobs. My feeling is that I get more "bang for my buck" when it comes to using dot poison on harder raid mobs as grouped mobs tend to go down quicker. When I took the INT AA line I didn't factor in the increased cost of poison, having them trigger much more often is keeping the guild alchys very busy. Or non guild alchys very rich when I have to buy them off the broker.Though from what I've seen thus far the AGI/INT line is working out very well for me. Anyway, in direct reply to the OP. My play style is sweet spot and depending on how it's looking damage wise I'll either start with focus aim - veiled fire- various and assorted debuffs. On harder mobs I'll start with hones reflexes - spam debuffs - killing instinct - focus aim - "insert hardest hitting CA here" which if I'm lucky is stealth - veiled fire combo. Of course with a really groovy group/raid setup and others debuffing mobs I can go focus aim - killing instinct - one or two hard hitting ca - auto attack until focus aim comes back up - focus aim - second hardest hitting ca's. Lather, rinse, repeat.<p>Message Edited by Mronin on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:26 AM</span>

[SpiralDown]

<div></div>I'd suggest not using sniper with focus aim, it does enough dmg alone and your missing quite a few auto attacks with the long casting and need to stealth.  Also, as pointed out by others on other forums, save rain of arrows until focus aim is almost out.  As long as your casting while its up it will get the bonus.  Leading to rain of arrows I normally us the quicker casting CAs and can often get most of them off within the time limit.  Also, try to upgrade those weapons.  There are a few dual weilds that are cheap to buy, seen good ones for as low as 1pp on my server, plus mid way through claymore is a good one.  Its old hat, but getting the best bow possable is probably more important than poisons or dual weilds.  Getting Grizzlefazzle's bow ain't hard and will be better than almost anything else, as sad as that is. <div></div><p>Message Edited by SpiralDown on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 PM</span>

[athitchcock]

I only use sniper and veiled with focus, but I also rarely use them mid fight. I think the time it takes to invis and cast those is not always worth the dmg output. Plus, it really sucks to have an aoe interrupt your sniper and waste valuable seconds.Like SpiralDown said, I also heard in the worldranger channel that the focus acts on a spell as long as the spell is cast before focus ends. I've tried to get in the habit of hitting focus, then a bunch of CAs, followed by surveil and then sniper. If it is true, that's one way to get back 5s of focus or add 5s to focus, depending on how you look at it.As far as bows (I'm a bit of a [Removed for Content]) I tend to switch between the Ghostly Bow of Blyze and the Bow of Searing Missiles. The delay of Blyze seems to fit well with CA timing and the high end of the dmg rating leads to some big crits (I've seen several over 6k). I switch to the Searing if I go low on power or run out of CAs due to it's high speed. Both of these bows are fairly easy to attain by a [Removed for Content] ranger. I've used Grizz but it doesn't seem to hit hard and rarely seems to proc, of course that's compared to the hits from Blyze and the 90% proc rate of Searing.I recently switched to 4 4 4 8 Int and Agi and my dps has gone up significantly. I've seen my first parses over 1k with that setup. I'm still debating Poise, vs Intoxication, vs putting the extra points in stats.Gnaril<div></div>

[TimidMou]

<DIV>on the topic of poisons, if you are using the bcg would it mean you want the poison that ticks over time so that it procs as often as possible? </DIV>

[ricky25]

<DIV>well as far as focus aim is concerned i like to hit it then steath and use selection then rain of arrows for groups of mobs but genearlly in any fight i use it when its refreshed as long as i have 10 secs worth of ranged attacks to unload. killing instinct and honed reflexes i use just before the beginning of any encounter. but i'll avoid using killing or honed if i'll soon be starting named encounter just to save it for that mob cause of the 5 min reuse. rarely will i use killing or honed in the middle of a fight(generally its not refreshed anyway). but in reguards to maintaining high dps i find these things work best for me. #1 AA's AGL 4-4-4-8-8   INT 4-4-4-8    STR 1  #2 i always use grandmasters caustic poison (high damage direct)  #3 DPS mod ftw for me atleast. i personally like to be grouped with a coercer/inquis/conj after that a class such as a bruiser(adds dps mod) or any class that can add damage procs or haste is a bonus. #4 Cap that str and build your int. for rangers to be able to do high dps high str and high int make a huge difference. and lastly your weapons. i use qeynos cuttless/windrazor/wurmslayer(draconic proc) as DW depending on the mob and the aITEM 1751552911 1509245991:Ancestral Sarnak War Bow/. i know thats a bit of a rare item but i can gladly say SOE did a good job with adding some real quality bows in KOS so it shouldn't be to hard to find one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just to comment on the things i listed. i've tried many different combos with aa line and this setup works best for me by far and the 1 point in str is just cause it allows me to reach the str cap wearing my desired gear not using anyone elses buffs. the second comment, call it the rangers curse but we still depend on procs like it or not and the high direct again seems best (this maybe expensive on broker but if we can befriend some artsians who make adept 3s you can probably get some scintillating dust cheap and even find some on broker cheap and shop around to different alchems for a good price to make it for you if you supply the raws and dust). the third comment is based on my personal raid group preference. there are a couple other classes i would pick for my group if i were the only scout in raid but i usually share this group with other scouts so those my fav 3 classes to group with if concentrating on dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hope this helps</DIV>

[TimidMou]

<P>Ah yeah, forgot to mention that sadly, in my guild rangers are not really given fabled dws, usually they go to assassins and beserkers (the two times I would otherwise have "won" fabled dws I was asked to give them up to more deserving classes). Oh well maybe when all the assassins/zerkers get theirs I'll get mine lol.</P> <P> </P> <P>P.S. Why is int important for rangers?</P> <P> </P> <P>I will post my exact stats and armor/weapons etc later I am now at work so I don't have access to my paper doll <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by TimidMouse on <span class=date_text>10-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 AM</span>

[Zholain]

<div><blockquote><hr><font size="2">TimidMouse wrote:</font> <p><font size="2">P.S. Why is int important for rangers?</font></p><hr></blockquote><font size="2">INT increases the amount of damage of your poison procs, and any other proc you may have which is classified as a spell.  Surprisingly, there are several.This is why so many people like the INT AA line.  It is very common for poisons to crit for 1500 damage and more, given the proper AA setup.</font></div>

[Rahmn]

<DIV>Use killing instinct whenever its up, auto attack will fire between CA's regardless.  Use focus aim when you have about 3-4 good ranged CA's up to maximize their change to crit.</DIV>

[Shaulin Dolamite]

<P>So for the most part are u all giving time inbetween CA's to let auto attack fire or just queing down the list. I know this may very by bow delay. For myself I use wurmdestroyer and t8 ammo and i have been averaging 1k to 1.4k in most raids. Group make up usually has me at 100% haste and cap str with int about 300, but having a very hard time hitting these higher #s that have been reported lately. I know the 0% dps mod is really hurting but unfortinately the corcer and dirge always go to MT grp and only have 1 bruiser who is seldomly ever on : (.</P> <P> </P>

[Crychtonn]

<DIV>If you can't get a coercer in your group try and get grouped with an inquisitor.  They have a 30% DPS buff they can put on you and also a temp buff that increase haste 50% and reduces recast times 8.4%.  The temp buff mutes the inquistor so make sure your group is being smart and not getting hit so he doesn't have to heal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The way they out in buffs I wished they'd switch the assassin and ranger aggro reducing skills.  Groupings would be alot easier if rangers had the hate xfer and could be placed in the MT group for it.  Assassins don't really need a coercers DPS buff since they sit at 66% self buffed.  They are better off being in a DPS group with an Illusionist for haste buff.  Leave it to SOE to hand out various self buffs and group buffs that work against setting up a raid well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jayad]

It's <STRONG>really</STRONG> important to have a +DPS buff, as well as a group INT buff(s) to hit high #s IMO.   All that fabled bow goodness is way underutilized without it.

[Serakk]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> It's <STRONG>really</STRONG> important to have a +DPS buff, as well as a group INT buff(s) to hit high #s IMO.   All that fabled bow goodness is way underutilized without it.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wiser words were never spoken.If your raid leader sets the groups up right ,you're golden if not well lets say its gonna be a sweaty fingerpounding session of a raid.

[TimidMou]

<DIV>I don't have the foggiest idea what buffs are placed on me, there is usually an inquisitor in my group but I do not know if he puts dps buffs on me or on the other dps in my group. I would think that my priority is for buffs is pretty low though because I am not usually one of the top few dps in my raid (often can't make it into the top ten even).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As promised here are my stats:</DIV> <DIV>Str 325</DIV> <DIV>Agi 394</DIV> <DIV>Int 76</DIV> <DIV>Sta 229</DIV> <DIV>Wis 67</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AAs: Str: 4/4/4/4/1, Agi: 4/5/4/4/1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Equipment: Nemesis Hood, Scaled Leader's Tunic, Arms of Zin'vra, Nemesis Bracers, Nemesis Chain Gloves, Leggings of the High Priestess, Feet of Spykrachis, T7 agi hex doll, Str idol of Zan Fi, Blackscale SS, Turadramin's Fang, Wurm Destroyer Bow, Mark of the Awakened, Planar Orb of the Warrior, Ring of Fate, Ring of Relkententinar, Antivenom Hypo Bracer, Aviak Feather Charm, Bone Clasped Girdle, T7 ammo made from the ranger CA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guild assigns loot based on seniority and class, so it is unlikely I will be able to upgrade my dual wields anytime soon unless I manage to complete Wurmslayer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Poisons: normally I use T7 grandmaster's caustic if I happen to have a legendary dust, otherwise I use the regular T7 exceptional caustic. Sometimes I throw in the T6 or T7 agi debuff poison, the deaggro poison, or the slow poison, but not always.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Combat arts to come later, after the server is back up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TimidMou]

<P>Master 2: Devitalizing Arrow</P> <P>Master 1: Veiled Fired, Culling of the Weak, Confounding Arrow, Vines, Ranger's Blade, Lunging Joust, Focus Aim, Killing Instinct, Dance of Trees, Cloak of Forest</P> <P>Adept 3: Sniper's Shot, Triple Volley, Amazing Shot, Stream of Arrows, Rain of Arrows, Selection, Honed Reflexes, Archer's Frenzy</P> <P> </P> <P>Everything else is Ad1 or App4 (Mortal Reminder, Arrow Rip, Precise Shot, Snaring Shot, Thorny Trap, Primal Agility, Cover Fire, Longblade, Elude, Survelleing, Emberstrike, Hawk Dive, Reclaimed Arrows, Shocking Thrust, etc...)</P> <P> </P> <P>Well now you know all about my ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Maestros of dps please tell me how to get better, bearing in mind that a) raid loots are hard for me to come by, if something really good drops it probably won't get assigned to me unless its ranger-specific, b) I don't have a lot of free plat (Sniper's Shot M1 was available on my server for a godly sum of 30pp and I wanted it but no dice due to not having quite enough).</P>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>TimidMouse wrote:<div></div> <div>I don't have the foggiest idea what buffs are placed on me, there is usually an inquisitor in my group but I do not know if he puts dps buffs on me or on the other dps in my group. I would think that my priority is for buffs is pretty low though because I am not usually one of the top few dps in my raid (often can't make it into the top ten even).</div> <div> </div> <div>As promised here are my stats:</div> <div>Str 325</div> <div>Agi 394</div> <div>Int 76</div> <div>Sta 229</div> <div>Wis 67</div> <div> </div> <div>AAs: Str: 4/4/4/4/1, Agi: 4/5/4/4/1</div> <div> </div> <div>Equipment: Nemesis Hood, Scaled Leader's Tunic, Arms of Zin'vra, Nemesis Bracers, Nemesis Chain Gloves, Leggings of the High Priestess, Feet of Spykrachis, T7 agi hex doll, Str idol of Zan Fi, Blackscale SS, Turadramin's Fang, Wurm Destroyer Bow, Mark of the Awakened, Planar Orb of the Warrior, Ring of Fate, Ring of Relkententinar, Antivenom Hypo Bracer, Aviak Feather Charm, Bone Clasped Girdle, T7 ammo made from the ranger CA.</div> <div> </div> <div>Guild assigns loot based on seniority and class, so it is unlikely I will be able to upgrade my dual wields anytime soon unless I manage to complete Wurmslayer.</div> <div> </div> <div>Poisons: normally I use T7 grandmaster's caustic if I happen to have a legendary dust, otherwise I use the regular T7 exceptional caustic. Sometimes I throw in the T6 or T7 agi debuff poison, the deaggro poison, or the slow poison, but not always.</div> <div> </div> <div>Combat arts to come later, after the server is back up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Right away I notice your STR is not that high. Are you able to reach the STR cap in your raid group? Self buffed I am at 430 STR and 360 AGI. I easily reach the STR cap in raid groups which is important. STR determines the damage of our CAs, auto-attack, and, believe it or not, our offensive stance proc. AGI is just our power pool. Your gear is pretty good and similar to mine. I use to T7 strength dolls instead of AGI dolls though. I would concentrate on raising your STR a little more and see if you see a difference.</div>

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bentgate wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TimidMouse wrote:<BR> <DIV>I don't have the foggiest idea what buffs are placed on me, there is usually an inquisitor in my group but I do not know if he puts dps buffs on me or on the other dps in my group. I would think that my priority is for buffs is pretty low though because I am not usually one of the top few dps in my raid (often can't make it into the top ten even).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As promised here are my stats:</DIV> <DIV>Str 325</DIV> <DIV>Agi 394</DIV> <DIV>Int 76</DIV> <DIV>Sta 229</DIV> <DIV>Wis 67</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AAs: Str: 4/4/4/4/1, Agi: 4/5/4/4/1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Equipment: Nemesis Hood, Scaled Leader's Tunic, Arms of Zin'vra, Nemesis Bracers, Nemesis Chain Gloves, Leggings of the High Priestess, Feet of Spykrachis, T7 agi hex doll, Str idol of Zan Fi, Blackscale SS, Turadramin's Fang, Wurm Destroyer Bow, Mark of the Awakened, Planar Orb of the Warrior, Ring of Fate, Ring of Relkententinar, Antivenom Hypo Bracer, Aviak Feather Charm, Bone Clasped Girdle, T7 ammo made from the ranger CA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guild assigns loot based on seniority and class, so it is unlikely I will be able to upgrade my dual wields anytime soon unless I manage to complete Wurmslayer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Poisons: normally I use T7 grandmaster's caustic if I happen to have a legendary dust, otherwise I use the regular T7 exceptional caustic. Sometimes I throw in the T6 or T7 agi debuff poison, the deaggro poison, or the slow poison, but not always.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Combat arts to come later, after the server is back up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Right away I notice your STR is not that high. Are you able to reach the STR cap in your raid group? Self buffed I am at 430 STR and 360 AGI. I easily reach the STR cap in raid groups which is important. STR determines the damage of our CAs, auto-attack, and, believe it or not, our offensive stance proc. AGI is just our power pool. Your gear is pretty good and similar to mine. I use to T7 strength dolls instead of AGI dolls though. I would concentrate on raising your STR a little more and see if you see a difference.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just looking at the equipment, I would have to think that 325 is a typo...

[TimidMou]

<P>Well that is interesting that my strength is low up to now I had nothing to compare to. No, its no type, my str is actually 325. If I took off all my equipment, I have 50 str, so the gear adds 275 to that. If any ranger would be so kind, could you give me comparison numbers, i.e. what your str is at when naked and with all your gear, I want to see if there is a bug with my stats or its just that I am using crappy gear thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Jayad]

<P>You should have plenty of gear to get to capped STR on your own, as a baseline.  I usually will then swap out gear which exists to take STR up to cap for gear that offers other benefits if I get buffed enough to be at STR cap without it.  If you are below say 450 str with your best str gear on then I think that's a major issue.  It will lower *all* of your damage except poisons and procs.  Most importantly, it will lower your auto-attack damage and almost all of your combat arts. </P> <P>I find in a typical dps group on raids I need about 400-425 str self-buffed to be at the cap.  I'll adjust as needed.  In some groups there's no or few str bonuses and I'll get up to about 500. </P> <P>The usual problem with gear not getting you to str cap (at all) is that you have items which don't contribute to str.  Keep those in your inventory, but find items in every spot which contribute +15 or more str.  Your hex dolls/charms should also be +str.</P> <P>As a raiding ranger, you *have* to know what buffs you are getting, and which are available.  Raid leaders are not always up to snuff in setting up the groups right.  Buffers do all kinds of dumb stuff, like buffing the wrong people.  You'll see the coercer DPS buff on assassins, haste buffs on monks, etc.  They seem tiny but +100% DPS is worth a few hundred dps, as well as getting your haste to 100% and not 50%.  (50% vs 100% is twice as many auto-attacks!)</P>

[Marcuzs]

Like some said before, using long casting CAs during Focus Aim is a waste. I don't bother with anything that needs stealth during that time, unless its the only things up during a long fight, at which point I use Focus Aim whenever available and then use whatevers up as long as its ranged so that my ranged autoattack keeps fireing. Also make it a habit of not queing your CAs. I have found that by queing CAs you run the risk of losing an autoattack. So I always wait for the button to refresh, or just about to refresh, to hit it. I have also arranged my CAs from longest to lowest recast time, excluding Veiled and Sniper shot. I then use them in decending order so that the longer ones will likely be up at the end of the fight or at least for the beginning of the next fight. But most importantly I have DVR. Digital Video Recorder, turn the darn TV off :smileytongue:<p>Message Edited by Marcuzs on <span class=date_text>10-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:52 AM</span>

[Crychtonn]

<P>I <3 my Tivo <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Something I've found to work well with focus is this.  At the start of the fight start close and use your melee CA's.  Then as you back out hit focus and click your ranged auto attack on.  This way you have a qued auto attack that goes off instantly as soon as focus is done casting.  Starting the fight with the melee CA's is just a way to give the tank a short time to build aggro.  Timing focus in this manner allows for getting three auto attack's off during it's duration instead of just two if auto attack is still refreshing and goes off 2-4 seconds into the skill duration.</P> <P>Timing the use of surveil near the end of focus to que up veiled or sniper also works well.  The key being having veiled or sniper start casting right as focus is about to drop.  As long as either skill has started it's cast while focus was up they gain the crit hit bonus.</P> <P> </P>

[Mronin]

<blockquote><hr>Crychtonn wrote:<P>Timing the use of surveil near the end of focus to que up veiled or sniper also works well.  The key being having veiled or sniper start casting right as focus is about to drop.  As long as either skill has started it's cast while focus was up they gain the crit hit bonus.</P><P> </P><hr></blockquote>This exactly what I try to do. Or alternatively since focus will cast and not break invis. Take what ever opportunity you have to invis, hit focus, hit sniper or veiled. Both sniper and veiled will finish casting long before focus has dropped. As a matter of fact I can usually get in one more ranged CA or at least one auto attack in before focus has dropped.

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>Merkades wrote:Hmm, (@bentgate) presumably, when you say you sit at 70% haste normally, you mean self buffed (which is 66% haste most likely, master Viel 43% and DT Haste 23%). HR Adept III is 35% haste, meaning 101% haste. Even if you are at 70% haste normally, that is still only 5% lost. Though really, why not use it? I mean if you always sit at where it will cap/overcap you, then it does not matter when you use it except when you have a spell to use in tandem, such as KI. 97% dps mod with max haste is much better than with 70% haste. (Obviously, if you are maxxed haste in whatever group you are normally in, then yeah, no need to ever use HR).Personally, I don't use Grandmaster Caustic except for tougher fights (for my guild, Cruor and Tarinax is our current level), yesterday when I went to go buy some for said mobs, I had to pay 4gold and change per charge..Man I really detest whatever designer thought adding poisons would be cool for us. (damage only, I have no problem with utility poisons, as that is not a primary function of our class)Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.<hr></blockquote>Ah but you forget young grasshopper that my haste is ay 70% self buffed. Put me in my normal raid group and I am over the cap therefore I don't use PR<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[hieronym]

<DIV>wait for the brigand debuff call, bang on focus and smile as i get 8k + auto ranged </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>off to polish my corruption :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>