Heres a thought...

[Gnome mercy]

<DIV>Ok I was thinking for my AA path, just gimme some ideas if im heading in the right direction:</DIV> <DIV>Agi 4/4/8/8 then INT 4/4/4/8, i was also thinking of taking the other 4 point from agi in the third slot and put them in wisdom for the hate reducer but is it even good?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also anyone know if bounty is worth it?</DIV>

[Merkad]

I cannot speak from complete experience, as I *still* do not have T8 ammo and a bow that is worthwhile... But, I doubt the additional deaggro is worth it. M1 of Primal Agility is 41% (thanks ninja nerf, yes still annoyed at that), plus Surveillance and Elude being decent deaggroes on and 30sec and 20sec timer respectively (natively). If you really needed more deaggro, then you also have the option to use a few Ignorant Bliss's.Rangers are easily the best anti aggro DPS class imo.Also, going from memory, I think the third Agi line skill is in combat run speed? if so not really needed. With Viel/+4 in that AA, it works out to 13% in combat runspeed, which is more than enough anyways. Not to say that more is bad, or that it is bad at all, just better AAs imo.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Somethiing]

<DIV>4458 STR | 44481 AGI for a heavy grouper.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>44481 AGI | 5448 INT for a heavy raider.</DIV>

[Gerdos]

<DIV>All round best setup:</DIV> <DIV>(heavy DPS <EM>fast</EM> <EM>raid</EM>, group, solo)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>STR 4-4-4-4-1</DIV> <DIV>AGI   4-4-4-5-1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>INT will give you higher DPS (<EM>subjective to equipment and group setup</EM>) for given fights, but for fast raids and total zone wide merge parses the full STR/AGI lines imho is best.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Gerdos on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:45 AM</span>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>the perfectionist really worth it?it affects 2 CA:s and lowers the SS timer from 15 to 10 mins and SoA/RoA from 3 to 2 mins?  However, 15% increase in dmg is like?Lets assume SS dmg 10000 --> 11500 with 10 min timer w/o perfectionist its 10000/15 mins = 11.11 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]with perfectionist its 11500/10 mins = 19.17 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]hmmh... almost double dmg here... funny?how about the SoA and RoA?how much dmg does RoA make, lets say adept3 since thats commonly available. 2k / tgt? (max 5 targets?)so... w/o perfectionist 10000/3 mins = 55.55 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]with perfectionist 11500/2 mins = 95.83 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]almost double the dmg, and these numbers are just drawn off the hat... how about the crit dmgs? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Maybe it is worth taking after all... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But, imo the SS is quite overrated CA anyway. Sure it gives nice big hits and all, but i prefer something that can be used in almost every fight over 10 min refresh timer big hits anyday.++Xan<div></div><p>*edit*</p><p>the "DPS" is just for calculation purposes, since i find it easier to compare different CA:s that way, because it also takes the refresh timers into account.dont mess it up with the usual DPS stuff you see <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:31 PM</span>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>xandez wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div>the perfectionist really worth it?it affects 2 CA:s and lowers the SS timer from 15 to 10 mins and SoA/RoA from 3 to 2 mins?  However, 15% increase in dmg is like?Lets assume SS dmg 10000 --> 11500 with 10 min timer w/o perfectionist its 10000/15 mins = 11.11 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]with perfectionist its 11500/10 mins = 19.17 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]hmmh... almost double dmg here... funny?how about the SoA and RoA?how much dmg does RoA make, lets say adept3 since thats commonly available. 2k / tgt? (max 5 targets?)so... w/o perfectionist 10000/3 mins = 55.55 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]with perfectionist 11500/2 mins = 95.83 "DPS" [damage / skill cycle]almost double the dmg, and these numbers are just drawn off the hat... how about the crit dmgs? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Maybe it is worth taking after all... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But, imo the SS is quite overrated CA anyway. Sure it gives nice big hits and all, but i prefer something that can be used in almost every fight over 10 min refresh timer big hits anyday.++Xan<div></div><p>*edit*</p><p>the "DPS" is just for calculation purposes, since i find it easier to compare different CA:s that way, because it also takes the refresh timers into account.dont mess it up with the usual DPS stuff you see <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class="date_text">10-09-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:31 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Im going to give a crack at this..Your master 1 rain at 3 mins = 3500 damage /180 = 19.4 recycle dpsYour master 1 sniper at 15 mins = 7k damage/900 =7.8 recycle dpsRain (perfec) 3500*1.15=4025 /120(2min)=33.5Sniper(perfec) 7000*1.15=8050/600(10min)=13.4Rain - 33.5-19.4=14.1Sniper - 13.7-7.8=5.914.1+5.9=20 dps diffrenceAccording to my earlier post <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=38294&page=2" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=38294&page=2</a>The int line provides 23.1 added dps for the crit aloneAnd the 7% crit chance on melee = 5.4 to your total dps..So perfect = a 20 dps diffrence7% crit = a 5.4 dps diffrence= 25.4 dpsAnd intline = a 23.1 dps diffrence...<font size="4">Str line wins by 2 dps YAY!</font></div>

[xandez]

<div></div><div></div>Yah, thats why the was so many ? marks in my post... because, imo i dont think the perfectionist is worth the 8 points after all (compared to the INT line)and while it does raise the dmg of all whopping 2 CA:s, the raise to the SS is not "worthy" since its still on 10 min refresh timer <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But, worth trying for? Maybe so, however i like poisons and i think im going that way (as soon as i get the bloody AA, which is not soon <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)*edit* oh and since they changed the poisons on LU(?) so that they can only proc once from a single CA, does that mean that the poison can only proc once with SoA/RoA, or can it proc against every target in the encounter (up tp 5 of course)If not, this tips the scale a bit to the STR line... but, only slightly.Or does it? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:03 PM</span>

[LoreLady]

<div></div>Poisons proc on multiple mobs with AE's, and poisons proc multiple times on SoAWhat I wish they did though - is allow for  a poison to proc ontop of a poison or spell... I want to use my bonebladed girdle again damnit!And all the intline does for me is criticcally drains power for me <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> - mental breach ftw!<p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:13 AM</span>

[Merkad]

@Lorelady - The numbers you ran for Perfectionist Rain/SS are too low. Thusly, the end resultant answers are as well. (which, if your numbers are correct, bodes well for me)Right now, looking at my screen I have 421 Str so a good 90 short of cap.Rain of Arrows Master 1 w/Perfectionist reads 2596-4326. I am pretty sure it tops 4500 with maxxed Str.Sniper Shot Master 1 w/Perfectionist reads 5522-9204. It tops 9800 when you have maxxed Str.So unless you are taking a rough median of the damage values, they numbers are slightly off (more so in SS's case).The final thing not figured into the equation would be additional crit chance. I always use these two skills with Focus Aim, so it crits the vast majority of the time. Additional casts are likely additonal crits which is additional DPS. I have seen Rain hit for nearly 9k, and Sniper for 19k.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Mronin]

<blockquote><hr>Gnome mercy wrote:<DIV>Ok I was thinking for my AA path, just gimme some ideas if im heading in the right direction:</DIV><DIV>Agi 4/4/8/8 then INT 4/4/4/8, i was also thinking of taking the other 4 point from agi in the third slot and put them in wisdom for the hate reducer but is it even good?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Also anyone know if bounty is worth it?</DIV><hr></blockquote>This is similar to how my AA line will look when it's all said and done. Though I'm still not convinced that the final spell in the INT line is really worth it. As a result I'm thinking about going 4/4/8 INT and dumping the last four into the base stat for one of the other lines.LOL and bounty is the most useless spell EVAH!! Regardless of the mob I have never gotten anymore than 8 or 9sp from bounty.

[dazze]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnome mercy wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok I was thinking for my AA path, just gimme some ideas if im heading in the right direction:</DIV> <DIV>Agi 4/4/8/8 then INT 4/4/4/8, i was also thinking of taking the other 4 point from agi in the third slot and put them in wisdom for the hate reducer but is it even good?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also anyone know if bounty is worth it?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Your bang on the mark you want to max out posion crit chance plus ranged crit chance.</P> <P>The str line is no good tbh i tried both set ups in raid situations and maxing out posion crit and ranged crit produces far higher results.</P> <P> </P> <P>Subtle</P>

[Jayad]

<P>de-aggro points would certainly be a waste.  Rangers have the least aggro problems of any dps class, with the exception of certain one-off fights like Corselander.</P> <P>I don't think putting the points into straight INT is a bad idea.  You get a lot of INT per point. </P>

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:<div></div> <p>de-aggro points would certainly be a waste.  Rangers have the least aggro problems of any dps class, with the exception of certain one-off fights like Corselander.</p> <p>I don't think putting the points into straight INT is a bad idea.  You get a lot of INT per point. </p><hr></blockquote>It also seems to be MUCH easier to get STR items than INT items... at least those that are 'for' Rangers</div>

[Mronin]

<blockquote><hr>Teksun wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:<div></div><p>de-aggro points would certainly be a waste.  Rangers have the least aggro problems of any dps class, with the exception of certain one-off fights like Corselander.</p><p>I don't think putting the points into straight INT is a bad idea.  You get a lot of INT per point. </p><hr></blockquote>It also seems to be MUCH easier to get STR items than INT items... at least those that are 'for' Rangers</div><hr></blockquote>Exactly and finding items that have good stats for both are even harder to find. What I've done (and it's working out well finally broke the 14K dps mark last night in ToS) is going down AGI/INT and then gearing for STR and tossing in INT items were I can including t7 drink.

[LoreLady]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Merkades wrote:@Lorelady - The numbers you ran for Perfectionist Rain/SS are too low. Thusly, the end resultant answers are as well. (which, if your numbers are correct, bodes well for me)Right now, looking at my screen I have 421 Str so a good 90 short of cap.Rain of Arrows Master 1 w/Perfectionist reads 2596-4326. I am pretty sure it tops 4500 with maxxed Str.Sniper Shot Master 1 w/Perfectionist reads 5522-9204. It tops 9800 when you have maxxed Str.So unless you are taking a rough median of the damage values, they numbers are slightly off (more so in SS's case).The final thing not figured into the equation would be additional crit chance. I always use these two skills with Focus Aim, so it crits the vast majority of the time. Additional casts are likely additonal crits which is additional DPS. I have seen Rain hit for nearly 9k, and Sniper for 19k.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.<hr></blockquote>Thats why I chose those values - your not going to hit 4326 everytime.. I took rough averages of both numbers.. 7 is between 5-9 3.5 is  between 2.6 and 4.3.. Well close enough to, it gives realistic answers... Where as poisons - your always going tohave 428 on your caustic poison - and 450 on your proc..I mean, as it is my current high with SS is 17k - im not going to use that for my calculations.. The only other time I used the top calculations was for rangers and assassins - and that was to assess the top DPS values between both classes, that method does not work in this situation.</div><p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class=date_text>10-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:57 PM</span>