DPS am i imagining things?

[AdiX__Styxx__]

<DIV>K when i was lvl 65 i went on a labs trash run and netted about 1 k dps on all yellow fights i was in the top 3 parses (there were no necroes / assasins / conj)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now i am 68 and went on a nek 3 run Altough i did have trouble with the really tiny spaces (my ranger is claustrobfobic) I seem to be doing a lot worse my top parse was 800 on the epic x2 golemn /boggle all other fights i was soaring around 300/600 dps!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>K it is true that i dont have all my t7 spells yet and am still using some of my t6 masters but if a healer can outparse ya with 900 dps (defiler) seems kinda silly doesnt i? also i am just wearing treasured gear and some legendary gear while the others in my group were fully fabled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And i was soaring around the bottom all the time even when i hit the 800 dps mark i was second from the bottom up?</DIV> <DIV>I was doign the same thing as i was doing in labs with the good dps results.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on singles</DIV> <DIV>Stealth b4 fight / pop focus fire (m2) / Stealthy fire (M1) / triple shot (ad3) / debilitating arrow (M1) / Legshot (M1) </DIV> <DIV>this is ussually what i do on single target and its dead when timers are down and the mob is alive i jump in for some melee!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on groups</DIV> <DIV>Stealth b4 fight / pop focus fire (m2) / Selection (M1) / Rain of arrows (ad3) / Killing instinct (M1) and shoot all my bow shots asap then head in for some melee action</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also use the best poison grandmaster caustic and grandmaster warding ebb and ignorant bliss to not pull agroe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was wondering am i doing something wrong ? Is the reason for my flakey DPS the CA lvls or is it my gear (sure it would help out a tad but such a huge difference>?)  on the CAs im using some t6 masters but there are also some good t7 masters in there that should be helping out alot..... im really boggled about it if anyone can tell me if the way i try to shoot arrows or my sequence is flawed wrong or if there is any way to iomprove this plz post it i would love to improve my skills here.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I kinda felt embarrased when i saw the average parse being 500 for me. Oh i did look at other forums about dps and some say  it is possible to get high dps as a ranger and some said we are gimped overnerfed etc but there was no mention fomr the peeps who said it was possible to get high dps as a ranger.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even in bad times like this lets make the most of it and help a fella ranger out plz....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thx </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Styxxey lvl 68 Ranger ldlere</DIV>

[LoreLady]

<DIV>Once you start raiding, 900 dps isent bad... Espessally for a ranger, being on the top of the parse though tells me that alow of people in your guild still have alot to learn.. Either that or you are lacking several classes in your guild. In new guilds the two hardest classes to hit the top dps are wizards and warlocks.. Rouges are another one thats hard to get up there in early raiding, simply because of there heavy weapon dependantcy above any other class... Fully buffed a ranger/assasssin can hold 600 dps with the best weapons, a rouge can hold 2k+ with the best one handers.. Unfortunatly, when you start raiding.. The rouge will only see 600 of that auto attack dps when they are just starting out - even with "decent" weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You will see some changes in each classes dps as they progress.</DIV>

[Marcuzs]

<P>It's all about the group setup and debuffs. On a raid you will likely get a few people in your group that can buff your dps. Also on raids you will see alot better debuffs such as dispatch etc. In groups the setting isn't always optimal. For example if you have any mages (non enchanters) in your group, they really provide nothing to you to improve your damage. Also you said you had a defiler which really does nothing for your dps. Yes they can boost some stats but thats nothing compared to dps buffs.</P> <P>So in otherwords, dont expect to do the same damage in groups as you do in raids since raids often provide better group setups to optimize dps (if your lucky anyways).</P> <P>One other thing to consider regarding stats. With the way stats currently work as you level your stat cap increases and if you do not increase your stats along with it your CA damage will actually decrease. So unless you upgrade your equipment as you level you will actually start doing less damage as you level (with non upgraded skills). This is usually offset by getting CA upgrades but it makes skills that don't get upgrade like Sniper Shot, do less and less damage as you get further from the stat cap.</P>

[xandez]

<P>I usually start with my debuffs 1st, they help you and the group. </P> <P>Ie. Cover fire + debilitating arrow (cant remember the T7 version of this sry <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</P> <P>Shrug. The mobs also coul dbe resistant to piercing or vulnerable to other ppl which you were grouping with.<BR><BR><BR>++Xan</P>

[Crychtonn]

<P>Your group DPS will almost always be lower then the DPS you can do on a Raid.  As a poster above mentioned it almost always comes down to debuffs.  In a raid situation the mob will almost always be more heavily debuffed then mobs you fight in a group setting.  The better debuffed a mob is the harder you will hit it and the higher your DPS will be.  Groups will rarely if ever be debuffing mobs as much as a full raid can.  So the difference you noticed looks and sounds about right.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AdiX__Styxx__ wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on singles</DIV> <DIV>Stealth b4 fight / pop focus fire (m2) / Stealthy fire (M1) / triple shot (ad3) / debilitating arrow (M1) / Legshot (M1) </DIV> <DIV>this is ussually what i do on single target and its dead when timers are down and the mob is alive i jump in for some melee!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on groups</DIV> <DIV>Stealth b4 fight / pop focus fire (m2) / Selection (M1) / Rain of arrows (ad3) / Killing instinct (M1) and shoot all my bow shots asap then head in for some melee action</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This may be a minor point, but I might make some changes to the lists above. I usually hit Focus Aim and then go for as many of the following CAs as I can fit: Culling the Weak, Amazing Shot, Veiled Fire, Debilitating Arrow, Rain of Arrows. If I hit as many of those as I can and I have a second or two left on Focus, I'll go for Precise or Triple, but only at that point. IMO, arts like Triple and Legshot don't have enough damage to justify trying to use them with Focus Aim, but I'm far from an expert here and would welcome any other opinions. </P>

[Vaiko]

<P>I would agree, buffs and debuffs have a very important effect. But raid DPS > group DPS is not always true for me. I got often better numbers in good groups than when I’m doing raids. Too much situational constrains or mediocre group setup is limiting the potential in raids. But it’s really different for encounter by encounter.</P> <P>I think 500 average DPS should not be the limits for Ranger, there are several posts here, which should help to get the DPS higher than that. For nec 3, you should check how much of your arrows you missed or got deflected. This could have a big effect on your DPS and you would need to counter that with buffs, debuffs and debuff poisen.<BR></P>

[Mescali]

Group DPS is generally all over the place due to the low HP of the mobs, pull rate, other DPS activity, etc.  I usually don't even parse them anymore.On raids I generally erase any broken encounters and combine all the encounters into "Entire zone" and "Nameds" DPS parses, to see where people are lining up.  Our alliance has no brigand, so I consider the 1k-1.2k that I average over an entire zone relatively decent.<div></div>

[Crychtonn]

Go get a brigand then !!!  But make sure he writes you a 150 word essay before you let him join.

[Prandtl]

<P>Brigands know 150 words?</P> <P>no way!</P>

[Gailstryd]

Triple Fire is imho one of hte better ones to use with focus to help make sure one: all 3 shots hit and two: if it does crit all 3 shots crit and give you a nice total overall.  For me the first smallest hit usualy crits for like 4or 500 hte second at about 800+ and the last for around 1200'ish.  Which on average makes Triple with out any procs land for a crit of 2500 or more.  I know ive had one crit for about 4k all totaled before as well but that was with dispatch and a debuffed mob.  Anyways all total'd evn at 2500 for a crit you are doing better than oh say debilitating which usually crits for about 1900 or so for me maybe a little lower.

[Gailstryd]

err and my usual focus setup goes cover fire > focus aim> debilitating> triple> amazing> confounding and/or culling with precise or snaring thrown in as last second tidbits if i can or need another shot.   Or if i start in stealth before a fight i'll go straight to veiled then debilitating etc.  And on ae's i go like everyone else with either starting i stealth doing selection and then rain or if im not in stealth i'll skip hte debuff and go for a rain and then a surveil+selection....i do rain first incase i get messed up for whatever reason adn can't get selection it it's not as big a deal as if i miss a focus'd up rain.

[Mirdo]

<DIV>For Focus I use:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Devit>Longblade>Veiled>Triple>Culling>Amazing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it's a named I put in Rain immediately after veiled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The most efficient set-up will depend on the quality of art you are using - the resource link at the top of the page has a lot of the info you need.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Triple delivers decent dps if you can ge tall 3 shots to land. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but as far as Ranged arts go and examining average damage at M1 capped STR, it's only rain, sniper and triple that can break 2k single target based on raw numbers (that's with the Poise AA). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mirdo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Mirdo on <SPAN class=date_text>09-15-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:24 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Mirdo on <span class=date_text>09-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:29 PM</span>

[Mescali]

Remember: anything you START casting while focus is up retains the focus buff.So best bet is generally to wait until the very end of a focus run to do Longblade -> Veiled so you don't waste focus seconds on casting time.<div></div>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mescaline wrote:<BR>Remember: anything you START casting while focus is up retains the focus buff.<BR><BR>So best bet is generally to wait until the very end of a focus run to do Longblade -> Veiled so you don't waste focus seconds on casting time.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wow. Now THAT is a good tip. Thanks for sharing. (FWIW, I usually use Surveillance > Veiled; quicker and longer range.)

[Mirdo]

I had suspected that but never bothered to prove it - thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It's a bit of a toss up as to whether the veiled belongs in a focus suite because of stealth ability cast times and cool downs. I'm messing about with it all again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Mirdo.<div></div>

[Mescali]

Longblade casts in 0.3s, compared to 0.7s for surveil (this is with poise, of course).<div></div>

[Mirdo]

True, but in my experience I have found that Longblade can be slightly less reliable than Surveil - I have had longblade broken/not firing correctly more often than I like when focus is up.Mirdo.<div></div>

[LoreLady]

Both are very usefull, its best to find out for yourself when to use either abilitys to maximize your dps.. Do you use surviel for every rangers blade/vieled fire you use while using longblade for emberstrike only? Its all in terms of what boosts your overall dps, the dps of the mob, joustcalls.. etc.

[Mirdo]

<P>I only ever use surveil for Snipers and veiled because in my experience it's most reliable. Longblade is used for Rangers and Emberstrike - if it fails or is insta-broken I can easily just spam autoattack and take the loss of one ember/rangers. For me, i'ts more frustrating to lose focus boosted veiled or Snipers. As I posted earlier though, this is just my experience with those arts - I could have had an unlucky streak with Longblade but I've found a compromise I'm comfortable with.</P> <P>Mirdo. </P><p>Message Edited by Mirdo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:19 AM</span>