I had to make assassins look bad

[xMiLoSiSx]

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[xandez]

hehe <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div>

[hieronym]

<DIV>nice numbers but now please enlighten us as to group set up, dps mod, AA line etc etc</DIV>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<DIV>Group setup is too on the raid end of things, rather than what I do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was at 30% DPS though, wasn't my most Ideal group. If I had my way, with a coercer and a fury in group, haha. Wooah, it would have been nuts =D. (or just the coercer, and oh, believe me, I was a-begging big-big (Dark Tower humor FTL))</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I push INT line, although, in 1:35 + fights it might be close, but I still think the INT line wins out.. (If there's anything for you to proc in group) But still, the solo poison proc's aren't bad. Meh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll still say it's all in how I play my ranger.</DIV><p>Message Edited by xMiLoSiSx on <span class=date_text>09-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:18 AM</span>

[Nak]

can you show the full dps of all your abilities, slashing, peircing, ranged, poisons ect with numbers and a %...kinda curious on how on some of them you healed too <div></div>

[Raahl]

<DIV>How dare  you do that much dps!  I mean what do you think you are?  A dps class.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just out of curiosity what were the other classes in the list?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW what parser is that?</DIV> <P>[EDIT] Oh and just in case you didn't understand.  I was joking with the first comment.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Raahl on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:09 AM</span>

[Rinio]

<P>Maybe its HoS? I was on par with the assassin all night and beating him about half the time. Had Highest Zone wide parse to.. dont most thsoe mobs has a PBAE that stuns and knocks back? think thats the advantage there =P Go go 'Range'rs!</P> <P>all with my grizfazzle =P /flee!!!</P>

[xandez]

<P>naah, he just got extremely lucky and the other were afking etc... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P><BR>++Xan</P>

[Mirdo]

<div></div>I think it's sad that to compete with fully mastered casters and *relatively* easily equipped Rogues and Assassins, we need to have access to T8 ammo (DT access and luck with drops req'd) and a guild capable of killing Venekor and then getting the bow to drop.I retract any previous statements about our dps being broken - it's itemisation and T8 ammo availability that makes the biggest difference between a 1.5- 2k and 0.8to 1.2k ranger.Mirdo.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Mirdo on <span class=date_text>09-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:47 AM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirdo wrote:<BR> I think it's sad that to compete with fully mastered casters and *relatively* easily equipped Rogues and Assassins, we need to have access to T8 ammo (DT access and luck with drops req'd) and a guild capable of killing Venekor and then getting the bow to drop.<BR><BR>I retract any previous statements about our dps being broken - it's itemisation and T8 ammo availability that makes the biggest difference between a 1.5- 2k and 0.8to 1.2k ranger.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I would very much have to agree with you here. It is quite a shame that in order to do THAT much dps, we have to be extremely lucky in terms of drops. While I am in a guild that is able to kill Venekor, and DT flagged, I have yet to see that beautiful war bow, or a t8 ammo producer. I did have a decent named parse last night (dispite the fact that Im still waiting for a decent bow to drop) that was around 1.6k. Heres to this Sunday, when I get another shot at a long coveted fabled bow.</P> <P> </P>

[TerriBlades]

<DIV>Sorry for the extra post and all, but I had a question for xMiLoSiSx. Your numbers are quite nice, I'll give you that. I just want to know where you were standing to hit 2k dps on Venekor?</DIV>

[hieronym]

<DIV>would be interested to know on the dps for harder fights like chel or even tari</DIV>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<DIV>I was parsing 1.6-1.8k without the T8 ammo, the T8 ammo stepped it up so I could parse 1.8 more consistently. Once I got the Venekor bow I've been seeing more consistent 1.9s.</DIV>

[LoreLady]

Could you plesae send me a logfile of your raid to [email protected] please.. It would be appreciated..

[Crychtonn]

<P>If any guilds on Mistmoore do either Lyceam or Labs on Wed nights and are ever short I could tag along and they could see for themselves what type of DPS I can do.  Wed is an off night and those two raids are the ones I never do with the guild do to my work schedule.  Figure this is the only real way people will believe me.  Let me know if anyone is interested.</P> <P> </P>

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>LoreLady wrote:Could you plesae send me a logfile of your raid to [email protected] please.. It would be appreciated..<hr></blockquote>cmon man.. you know a ranger cant possibly break 1600 DPS .. i heard it from a reliable source.</div>

[Jayad]

The real question is why isn't an assassin doing 2.2kdps on that same raid <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[LoreLady]

I cant see the parse - its to small for me to read.. For all I know its 1.8k for 30s, or a large group fight.. Reason I am asking is proof on the other end, Yes - I have proven that rangers are lacking in the CA department but the damage on t8 arrows are unknown to me. I take things as evidence comes, and so far - the evidence I have "seen" (as in being able to read and see the parsings) still bends on rangers being underpowered by 200-500 dps..I am always happy to be "proven" wrong.. Proven being showing me untampered evidence, and evidence that can be replicated by others and in diffrent guilds.And I still say that what I have braught forward on this issue is evidence because it can be replicated and you will get the same result.

[Henladar Bloodheart ~]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> The real question is why isn't an assassin doing 2.2kdps on that same raid <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ranger does 2.2k dps on a parse... give an assassin with same/similar group setups if they know what they are doing theyll push out 2.5k.</P> <P>Thats great skaer that you did good dmg on a mob or 2... can you do it consistantly? No.</P>

[Jay]

LOL Hen, yes, your alts [Removed for Content] is larger than the OPs. Grats! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[snowbrdr093]

Breaking News!!Chaotic Legion discovers Ranger manually adding 500 to his dps count on all his parses! Hahaha haha ha wow Skaer, you are truly pathetic.<div></div>

[Ranja]

<div><blockquote><hr>snowbrdr093 wrote:Breaking News!!Chaotic Legion discovers Ranger manually adding 500 to his dps count on all his parses! Hahaha haha ha wow Skaer, you are truly pathetic.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Is this true? Did he fabricate those parses?</div>

[snowbrdr093]

Yeah, starting the other day his guild had other people parse, and his parse had him 500 higher every time than on everyone else's parse while all the other people in the raid were the same.<div></div>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snowbrdr093 wrote:<BR>Yeah, starting the other day his guild had other people parse, and his parse had him 500 higher every time than on everyone else's parse while all the other people in the raid were the same.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is a blatant and completely fabricated lie.

[Rahmn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hieronymus wrote:<BR> <DIV>would be interested to know on the dps for harder fights like chel or even tari</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>On a Chel'Drak fight I put out around 700 dps, the most was done by a brig (slighty over 1k)  I was second.  We killed him in like 9mins 30 secs.<p>Message Edited by Rahmn on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:33 PM</span>

[snowbrdr093]

<div><blockquote><hr>Balerius wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> snowbrdr093 wrote:Yeah, starting the other day his guild had other people parse, and his parse had him 500 higher every time than on everyone else's parse while all the other people in the raid were the same. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>This is a blatant and completely fabricated lie.<hr></blockquote>It's nice of you to defend your guildmates, but once again you are trumped by other members of your guild. Some pretty high ranking members of your guild even said this, as well as saying he removes all his bad parses from his zonewides in order to make himself look good. Sounds like a real winner eh? I don't know about you, but i dont want some pompous idiot who fabricates parses saying how good rangers are, I don't think we are nearly as bad as anyone says we are, but we are in no way as good as Assassins. I would think someone like you coudl understand that, but apparently not.</div>

[Crychtonn]

<DIV>You may or may not be right about the OP and his parses.  All I know is in the two weeks I've had the Sarnac bow I've been able to hit 1.8-1.9K on a semi regular basis.  And my offer stands if anyone on Mistmoore wants me to tag along they can see for themselves what I can or can't do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snowbrdr093 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balerius wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snowbrdr093 wrote:<BR>Yeah, starting the other day his guild had other people parse, and his parse had him 500 higher every time than on everyone else's parse while all the other people in the raid were the same.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is a blatant and completely fabricated lie.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It's nice of you to defend your guildmates, but once again you are trumped by other members of your guild. Some pretty high ranking members of your guild even said this, as well as saying he removes all his bad parses from his zonewides in order to make himself look good. Sounds like a real winner eh? I don't know about you, but i dont want some pompous idiot who fabricates parses saying how good rangers are, I don't think we are nearly as bad as anyone says we are, but we are in no way as good as Assassins. I would think someone like you coudl understand that, but apparently not.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm not defending a guildmate.  I'm just saying that members of my guild "discovering" that Skaer was inflating parse numbers (you said he was adding 500 to his parses) is a lie.</P> <P>I don't even know who you are or even what server you're on.  As far as "high ranking members" of my guild saying what you allege...I call BS.  Of course, you've changed your story now...first you said he was adding 500 to parses, now you seem to be saying he is not counting "bad fights" in his parses.  You can't even get your story straight.  Oh, btw, in the OP Skaer posted his DPS on some specific fights...not a zonewide parse.  So this latest claim of yours is irrelevant to the post he made in the first place.  State the names of these so-called "high-ranking members" who are telling you these things.  Otherwise keep your fantasies to yourself.</P>

[snowbrdr093]

Apparently your reading comprehension skills are under par, so ill say it again for you. He was manually adding numbers to his parse ******AND IN ADDITION TO THAT****** was filtering out bad parses for his zonewides. True, he never posted a zonewide here, but thats just another thing he did. I would say the names of the members and all that happy stuff for you, but that would just cause more drama for your guild, and you don't need that, now do you?<div></div>

[xandez]

<div></div>drive thru ppl, k thx bye <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />who cares if someone is fabricating his own parses? stop parsing! what good have you gotten from parsing anyway? omg! the PRIEST is outDPS:sing me! EEEP... so?*mumble*++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:27 AM</span>

[Mirdo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <DIV>You may or may not be right about the OP and his parses.  All I know is in the two weeks I've had the Sarnac bow I've been able to hit 1.8-1.9K on a semi regular basis.  And my offer stands if anyone on Mistmoore wants me to tag along they can see for themselves what I can or can't do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>After seeing the effect of T8 ammo on the zonewides with my Sinew wrapped bow, I can believe those kinds of numbers from a bow with a much higher damage rating.</P> <P>A gross over-simplification but it seems like there are almost 3 ages of T7 Ranger: Out of the box our DPS seems OK/good compared to other classes. At a certain stage we hit a gear wall and fall away (probably as other classes get close to full master and other melee gear up with good weapons from "easier" boss mobs). Then we get T8 ammo and the cube/Venekor/Tari bows and catch up again. That's my experience at least - and possibly a few others by the sound of it. I could be wrong though - often am <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Mirdo. </P>

[Katsugen]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <DIV>You may or may not be right about the OP and his parses.  All I know is in the two weeks I've had the Sarnac bow I've been able to hit 1.8-1.9K on a semi regular basis.  And my offer stands if anyone on Mistmoore wants me to tag along they can see for themselves what I can or can't do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Are these numbers you refer too zone wide? Or simply individual fights? I'm not at all surprised if you hit around 2k for a couple of fights, but if your telling me your landing zone wide at 1.8k then I'm impressed.</P> <P>As for the OP, I think it's nice he decided to share some data w/ us, but this is a skeptical crowd and should have really just dropped a log for us. As for claims of manually adding dps to his numbers, I have no idea about any of that. It seems alot of ppl are quick to call him a cheat with no real evidence to back it up. Ohh and saying "so and so told me so" does not cut it. Personally I don't think those numbers are all that outrageous, only thing that surprises me is the lack of others up there. Assassins,Wizzy's, Summoners,Rogues should all be up there too, and I don't think a ranger should have that big a gap between them. Seems like alot of other classes missing and maybe a few half asleep. Our dps curves don't really drop off so dramatically as yours show. </P> <P>Also about removing encounters from zone wide parses, I do that too. Some zones like DT have a bunch of heroics scattered about and I exclude those. I also exclude fights where I'm forced to range to the point where I'm the only picked up on my parse. I don't see how putting skewd data into the parse is a good thing. Now if he excludes fights that he jsut flat out did bad one, well thats a whole 'nother can o' worms.</P> <P>-Katsugen</P></DIV>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snowbrdr093 wrote:<BR>Apparently your reading comprehension skills are under par, so ill say it again for you. He was manually adding numbers to his parse ******AND IN ADDITION TO THAT****** was filtering out bad parses for his zonewides. True, he never posted a zonewide here, but thats just another thing he did. I would say the names of the members and all that happy stuff for you, but that would just cause more drama for your guild, and you don't need that, now do you?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I didn't post a zone wide, so I don't understand the point you're arguing. Are you just talking [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to hear yourself sound stupid? I posted 5 parses where I broke 1900, 4 of which were over 2k. I never said anything about group setup, why the others parsed low, or anything of the such. So, I don't quite understand why people are talking crap about zone wides. If you think I can add numbers to a screenshot of ACT, or really have the patience to make sure it blended and looked natural, you're mistaken.</P> <P>I think it's just about time for you to shut the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up, and leave. Balerius has already outsmarted you, and then you question his comprehension because you're too [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing stupid to understand he just schooled you.</P> <P>Not a single member of CL has come out in public and said the parses were false, or confirmed any of your accusations. So stop screaming them, you have no proof.</P>

[Henladar Bloodheart ~]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> LOL Hen, yes, your alts [Removed for Content] is larger than the OPs. Grats! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] right man.. its HUGE.