Calling All Legendary Rangers

[Jowita]

<DIV>I was perusing the Combat Discussion board, and came across an interesting thread entitled "Wonder Why," by Balerius. (<FONT size=2><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=113285" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=113285</A>)</FONT> Halfway down the first page, I read a statement by Emerix that stopped me in my tracks. Here's what Emerix said:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Rangers are one of the perfect examples of classes who are perfect on their dps .. but only if the player can play . Salor from TBA on AB seemed to do more than just ok when i was grouping with him . The mobs just went poof . If rangers know how to play their class they are top dps . But it looks like it requires more player skill than assasins.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Okay, so here's my question:  What do I have to <EM>know</EM>, what do I have to <EM>do</EM>, what do I have to <EM>learn</EM>, to become one of those rangers whom others praise like they were the gods of old?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example: Anonymous_Groupmember1: "Zeus's beard! That Jowita is one helluva Ranger! Can you believe that DPS? Made that poor little assassin look like a limp noodle! And those thighs! Jayzus! I'd walk a hundred miles to see thighs like that!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In other words, what does it take to be one of the Elite, like Salor from Antonia Bayle?  What do I have to do to be immortalized on the boards? What is the secret to T1 DPS? If other rangers are doing it, then it must be possible. So, to that Someone Out There Who Has The Answer (and you know who you are): Grant us your wisdom, and know that only YOU can prevent T3 DPS. I want to be better than merely good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I want to be legendary.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PST.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jowita</DIV>

[nirav21]

You see on pvp server when in exile guild its easy. You just cheap shot da assasin and use snipershot and other CAs

[Jay]

<P>If I had any wisdom, Jowi dear, it would be tendered unto you forthwith. But unfortunately for both of us, the only way I get by in EQ2 is my sparkling wit (cough), good looks (cough harder), and charming personality (choke). </P> <P>Oh, and bribery. Can't forget that. </P>

[xandez]

<A href="http://imageshack.us/" target=_blank><IMG alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" src="http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7451/agrocontrolin9.jpg" border=0>></A> <P>++Xan</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>*edit* hope this picture shows up now...</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 PM</span>

[Jowita]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <P>If I had any wisdom, Jowi dear, it would be tendered unto you forthwith. But unfortunately for both of us, the only way I get by in EQ2 is my sparkling wit (cough), good looks (cough harder), and charming personality (choke).</P> <P>Oh, and bribery. Can't forget that.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>My dear Jay,</P> <P>Your charming personality is one of the reasons why I felt brave enough to pose the question in the first place. Hopefully, That Person With The Answer will come forth and all our woes will be as dust in the wind.</P> <P>Oh. Check your mailbox tonight. Is 1pp enough?</P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita<BR></P>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flidias wrote:<BR> <DIV>I was perusing the Combat Discussion board, and came across an interesting thread entitled "Wonder Why," by Balerius. (<FONT size=2><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=113285" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=113285</A>)</FONT> Halfway down the first page, I read a statement by Emerix that stopped me in my tracks. Here's what Emerix said:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Rangers are one of the perfect examples of classes who are perfect on their dps .. but only if the player can play . Salor from TBA on AB seemed to do more than just ok when i was grouping with him . The mobs just went poof . If rangers know how to play their class they are top dps . But it looks like it requires more player skill than assasins.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Okay, so here's my question:  What do I have to <EM>know</EM>, what do I have to <EM>do</EM>, what do I have to <EM>learn</EM>, to become one of those rangers whom others praise like they were the gods of old?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example: Anonymous_Groupmember1: "Zeus's beard! That Jowita is one helluva Ranger! Can you believe that DPS? Made that poor little assassin look like a limp noodle! And those thighs! Jayzus! I'd walk a hundred miles to see thighs like that!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In other words, what does it take to be one of the Elite, like Salor from Antonia Bayle?  What do I have to do to be immortalized on the boards? What is the secret to T1 DPS? If other rangers are doing it, then it must be possible. So, to that Someone Out There Who Has The Answer (and you know who you are): Grant us your wisdom, and know that only YOU can prevent T3 DPS. I want to be better than merely good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I want to be legendary.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PST.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jowita</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It's really quite simple:</P> <P>1) First find a group whose members have never grouped with a ranger and have generally grouped with really crappy assassins, swashbucklers, wizards, and warlocks.  It also helps if one member is a loudmouth with flawed logical reasoning.</P> <P>2) Do a good job dps-wise and don't get unnecessary agro.</P> <P>3) You will look incredibly powerful compared to what they are used to seeing.</P> <P>4)  The loudmouth will geenralize from his newfound limited experience with rangers in a group and conclude that rangers are "gods of dps" and that you are the epitome of such a godly class.  Moreover, said loudmouth will freely share his conclusions on the boards and in your server chat channels.</P> <P>-- Of course the drawback is that the loudmouth will also share his in-depth knowledge (gained from grouping with you) of rangers being "gods of dps" by posting in any thread that discusses rangers' dps issues on raids.  But, hey, you'll be famous so who cares?  :smileywink:<BR></P>

[Crychtonn]

<P>Simplest answer:</P> <P>1) Kill Venekor in Halls of Seeing every week until he gives you the Ancestral Sarnac War Bow</P> <P>2) Kill Amorpheous Drake and Tarinax in Deathtoll weekly until one gives you Ichorstrand or Bazkul.</P> <P>3) Use Ichorstrand or Bazkul to make pretty T8 legendary ammo.</P> <P>4) Use pretty T8 legendary ammo with Sarnac bow.</P> <P>5) Never use Focus Aim while Sarnac bow is equiped.</P> <P> </P> <P>Complete steps 1 - 5 and you will be capable of doing the DPS you need to impress the masses.  Top assassins and conjurors may still be ahead slightly but you will be competitive and even take the top spot on fights here and there.  And wizards and rouges you will be able to beat alot more often then loose to.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Jowita]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR> <A href="http://imageshack.us/" target=_blank><IMG alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" src="http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7451/agrocontrolin9.jpg" border=0>></A> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah, but isn't Jack Sparrow a Swashie? AoE hate transfer. Bah, who need it? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita<BR></P>

[Jowita]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balerius wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>It's really quite simple:</P> <P>1) First find a group whose members have never grouped with a ranger and have generally grouped with really crappy assassins, swashbucklers, wizards, and warlocks.  It also helps if one member is a loudmouth with flawed logical reasoning.</P> <P>2) Do a good job dps-wise and don't get unnecessary agro.</P> <P>3) You will look incredibly powerful compared to what they are used to seeing.</P> <P>4)  The loudmouth will geenralize from his newfound limited experience with rangers in a group and conclude that rangers are "gods of dps" and that you are the epitome of such a godly class.  Moreover, said loudmouth will freely share his conclusions on the boards and in your server chat channels.</P> <P>-- Of course the drawback is that the loudmouth will also share his in-depth knowledge (gained from grouping with you) of rangers being "gods of dps" by posting in any thread that discusses rangers' dps issues on raids.  But, hey, you'll be famous so who cares?  :smileywink:<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sighhh...and here I thought you, of all people, would have possessed the as-yet-unseen Secret To Ranger Godliness. Alas. Ah, Discordia! My hope withers....</P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita<BR></P>

[Jowita]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <P>Simplest answer:</P> <P>1) Kill Venekor in Halls of Seeing every week until he gives you the Ancestral Sarnac War Bow</P> <P>2) Kill Amorpheous Drake and Tarinax in Deathtoll weekly until one gives you Ichorstrand or Bazkul.</P> <P>3) Use Ichorstrand or Bazkul to make pretty T8 legendary ammo.</P> <P>4) Use pretty T8 legendary ammo with Sarnac bow.</P> <P>5) Never use Focus Aim while Sarnac bow is equiped.</P> <P> </P> <P>Complete steps 1 - 5 and you will be capable of doing the DPS you need to impress the masses.  Top assassins and conjurors may still be ahead slightly but you will be competitive and even take the top spot on fights here and there.  And wizards and rouges you will be able to beat alot more often then lose to.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Is the secret really as simple as one word: UBER? Please say it ain't so. I don't wanna be UBER. I wanna be Legendary. Can I have one without the other? Is that possible? Oh please say that it is...</P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita<BR></P>

[xandez]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flidias wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, but isn't Jack Sparrow a Swashie? AoE hate transfer. Bah, who need it? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Jowita<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hehe, yah, but close enuff <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>++Xan</P>

[BSbon]

some people who posted in that thread have no idea how to play a ranger and should just stop posting about AOE risk vs reward cause it just makes them sound stupid.

[Stormhawk]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Flidias wrote:<div></div><p>Is the secret really as simple as one word: UBER? Please say it ain't so. I don't wanna be UBER. I wanna be Legendary. Can I have one without the other? Is that possible? Oh please say that it is...</p><hr></blockquote>Since the only place to get T8 ammo is from Deathtoll, nope.</div><p>Message Edited by Stormhawk on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 PM</span>

[Dark_Moons_Rising]

<P>:smileywink:</P> <P> ok,, first off the dps,, </P> <P>Step one,, grp with a mystic and a gruardian,, and a templar ( your dps is still gonna suck, but compared to the them, your gonna be a god)</P> <P> </P> <P>as for the thighs, there is the level 40 guild dress available to you,, and if you wear in a grp,, who gonna look at the dps anyway????</P> <P> </P> <P>Been told my last name didnt have a cap in it,, so i fixed it...Jay why you no tell me before ????</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Dark_Moons_Rising on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:54 PM</span>

[Serventof Wrath]

<P>I was in some loot and glory runs through some T7 instances this weekend.  1 zerker, 1 fury, 2 dirge, 1 assassin, and me (70/50 ranger).  We are raid equipped (I'm not yet uber but getting there) with gear and group buffs I had both STR and AGI over 510, STA over 400, WIS and INT both in the low 200s Haste and DPS at 100% as buffs recycled.  Things went poof.  In a group we are still dps machines.  The fury was parsing and and me and the assassin constantly battled for the top spot.  We ran through Vaults, Blackscale, and Den in no time at all.  Even got the ranger class hat for back-up gear from the guy in Vaults.  In raid set up rangers get hosed just look at the procs and buffs we miss out on in the original thread you quoted.  In groups we can still make things go poof.</P> <P> If there is anything I would suggest learning it would be to ignore posters who post crap like learn to play your class or ranged dps is lower cause you trade it for AoE protection.  Learn to ignore that crap and you will go much further.</P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flidias wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, Discordia! </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sometimes I almost forget how much you rock, and then, I am reminded. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>And yeah 1pp should do just fine for this week.<BR></P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dark_Moons_Rising wrote:<BR> <P>Been told my last name didnt have a cap in it,, so i fixed it...Jay why you no tell me before ????</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Cuz you called me out in 60-69 and blew my cover about trying to get my groups killed in PoA.</P> <P>Wait.. that was Shagg and Sinneran in Barren Sky /ooc. I can never keep all that heckling straight! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Jowita]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flidias wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, Discordia!</BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sometimes I almost forget how much you rock, and then, I am reminded. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>LOL, you got that reference, didya? So if I asked you if you've seen a blood-red rose growing in a vacant lot near the Fedic #9 door (Verbal Entry Code Required) in Lower Manhattan, close to Tower Records, you'd know exactly what I was talking about, wouldn't you?</P> <P>I thought you might. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Sigh. Perhaps there is no Secret of Ultimate Ranger Power. Perhaps it's really just about having fun. I mean, if you're having fun playing your ranger, everything else kinda falls by the wayside.</P> <P>And I, for one, am having a blast.</P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita</P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flidias wrote:<BR> <P>LOL, you got that reference, didya? So if I asked you if you've seen a blood-red rose growing in a vacant lot near the Fedic #9 door (Verbal Entry Code Required) in Lower Manhattan, close to Tower Records, you'd know exactly what I was talking about, wouldn't you?</P> <P>I thought you might. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Of course I would, silly. Just like you'd know how a billy-bumbler looks, and the slow mutants, and understand the need for good riddles when riding a sentient (if somewhat deranged) monorail. We've discussed this before, when you had the 'other worlds' quote from Jake on your old sig. (Speaking of which, I love the new one.) </P> <P>/pulls a shell from his belt and causes it to dance fluidly over his knuckles</P>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Serventof Wrath wrote:<BR> <P>I was in some loot and glory runs through some T7 instances this weekend.  1 zerker, 1 fury, 2 dirge, 1 assassin, and me (70/50 ranger).  We are raid equipped (I'm not yet uber but getting there) with gear and group buffs I had both STR and AGI over 510, STA over 400, WIS and INT both in the low 200s Haste and DPS at 100% as buffs recycled.  Things went poof.  In a group we are still dps machines.  The fury was parsing and and me and the assassin constantly battled for the top spot.  We ran through Vaults, Blackscale, and Den in no time at all.  Even got the ranger class hat for back-up gear from the guy in Vaults.  In raid set up rangers get hosed just look at the procs and buffs we miss out on in the original thread you quoted.  In groups we can still make things go poof.</P> <P> If there is anything I would suggest learning it would be to ignore posters who post crap like learn to play your class or ranged dps is lower cause you trade it for AoE protection.  Learn to ignore that crap and you will go much further.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Have to ask.  If you're using the vault ranger hat as backup what are you using as your main.  Personally I use the vault hat as my main gear because I like the proc that inceases my crit's 2.8%.  It may not be alot but it does proc often.  And I'll take that higher chance to crit over the 7 extra Str relic or 5 extra Str Hoo'loo hats give.  The only hat I've seen I'd even consider using over the vault hat is the one from Lyceam that has I think 29 Str and 30 Int.</P> <P> </P>

[Ranja]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Serventof Wrath wrote:<BR> <P>I was in some loot and glory runs through some T7 instances this weekend.  1 zerker, 1 fury, 2 dirge, 1 assassin, and me (70/50 ranger).  We are raid equipped (I'm not yet uber but getting there) with gear and group buffs I had both STR and AGI over 510, STA over 400, WIS and INT both in the low 200s Haste and DPS at 100% as buffs recycled.  Things went poof.  In a group we are still dps machines.  The fury was parsing and and me and the assassin constantly battled for the top spot.  We ran through Vaults, Blackscale, and Den in no time at all.  Even got the ranger class hat for back-up gear from the guy in Vaults.  In raid set up rangers get hosed just look at the procs and buffs we miss out on in the original thread you quoted.  In groups we can still make things go poof.</P> <P> If there is anything I would suggest learning it would be to ignore posters who post crap like learn to play your class or ranged dps is lower cause you trade it for AoE protection.  Learn to ignore that crap and you will go much further.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Have to ask.  If you're using the vault ranger hat as backup what are you using as your main.  Personally I use the vault hat as my main gear because I like the proc that inceases my crit's 2.8%.  It may not be alot but it does proc often.  And I'll take that higher chance to crit over the 7 extra Str relic or 5 extra Str Hoo'loo hats give.  The only hat I've seen I'd even consider using over the vault hat is the one from Lyceam that has I think 29 Str and 30 Int.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I use the hat from the Nest. Crown of Ixhav (or whatever). </P> <P>+20 str +5 agi +20 Int<BR>+3 Ranger +3 piercing<BR>630 vs magic 630 vs something else</P> <P>It is better than Hoo Lahs hat in all respects except for mitigation but who cares about that. It is one of the few hats that has both high strength and hign intelligence.</P> <P>I have hoo'lah's and the Cowl of the Pathfinder which I never use. I use hoo'lah when I am soloing for the extra agility and mitigation.</P>

[Gerdos]

<P>I have a few fabled and legendary helms.   My prefered choice is Cowl of the Pathfinder, only for the proc.   I have 5 AA points in crit range, so the extra bit from the helm helps.  Next preference are helms with nice INT bonuses.  A lot of the helms share the same resists, so thats not a issue.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[TaleraRis]

OMG Xan! AHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA That's great! *Right-click, save image as* <div></div>

[snowbrdr093]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Stormhawk wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Flidias wrote:<div></div><p>Is the secret really as simple as one word: UBER? Please say it ain't so. I don't wanna be UBER. I wanna be Legendary. Can I have one without the other? Is that possible? Oh please say that it is...</p><hr></blockquote>Since the only place to get T8 ammo is from Deathtoll, nope.</div><p>Message Edited by Stormhawk on <span class="date_text">09-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:18 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><img src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/snowbrdr093/umbral.jpg">Legendary it is!<div></div>

[Jowita]

<P>Jay42 scribed:</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>"Of course I would, silly. Just like you'd know how a billy-bumbler looks, and the slow mutants, and understand the need for good riddles when riding a sentient (if somewhat deranged) monorail. We've discussed this before, when you had the 'other worlds' quote from Jake on your old sig. (Speaking of which, I love the new one.)"</FONT></P> <P>Gosh, you're right Jay. You were one of the first (or maybe THE first) peson to comment on my first-ever sig. No wonder I like you, Mr. Kitty. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So, do you know where my latest sig quote comes from? </P> <P>And speaking of Legendary Rangers, I think it's safe to assume that everyone who's replied to this thread is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Legendary. May all your arrows fly true, and your bowstrings never break.</P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita</P><p>Message Edited by Flidias on <span class=date_text>09-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:17 PM</span>

[TimidMou]

Just a quick newb question: what is wrong with using focus aim? I've been using it before my big CAs every time I fight a named, and if thats not good I'd love to know why.

[Mirdo]

<P>Timidmouse:</P> <P>Ignore the comments about Focus aim unless you are using the Ancestral Sarnak Warbow dropped by Venekor in Halls of Seeing. It seems to be  missing most shots under focus (I don't own one so am not speaking frmo personal experience here). Current thinking is that it's tagged in game as something other than a ranged weapon. As a side effect of Focus is to lower your non-ranged attack skills, it hits less.</P> <P>Sorry to derail the legendaryness of the thread - please return to your normal legendary service :smileywink:  </P> <P>Mirdo.</P>

[Teksun]

I wish I had some insight to give on this discussion, but my DPS is the pits <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I mean... even that furball out DPS's me most of the time <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Rinio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teksun wrote:<BR>I wish I had some insight to give on this discussion, but my DPS is the pits <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>I mean... even that furball out DPS's me most of the time <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Its Because your a wood elf, everyone knows only half elves and the occasional Kerra make good Rangers

[Jowita]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RinionX wrote:<BR> <BR>Its Because your a wood elf, everyone knows only half elves and the occasional Kerra make good Rangers<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hey now! Occasional Kerrans (male, somewhat handsome, and charming when not urking hairballs) aside, high elf ladies are known throughout Norrath as the bestest Rangers. Didn't you get the memo? Crikey.</P> <P>Jowita</P>

[TaleraRis]

Everyone knows frogs are the best <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jay]

<P>Hats: I use Nemesis Hood but I have Cowl of the PF, Crown of X, and Hooloh... you guys have given me reason to go look those up again. Hmm.</P> <P>Bows: Rawr!</P> <P>Quotes: No dear, I can't say as I do recognize the current sig quote... but I'm 90% sure it's not SK. </P> <P>Races: Hey I don't urk hairballs while I'm out on a date, that'd be crude! But yes I'm pretty down with the high elven ladies, especially monks and rangers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>Bob: "Sir, Rudy will await your foundation."</P> <P>David: "I'm a superstar! In a superstar machine! Takin it to the staa-haaars!"</P>

[Deml]

I'm far from a legendary ranger but if you're having fun playing your ranger that's the important thing.  To get DPS numbers that actually make people comment about them you need to be in the right group setup and work your butt off during the fights.

[Jay]

Bite your tongue, Dem. There are all manner of legends circulating throughout Norrath about your renowned androgeny. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bentgate wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Serventof Wrath wrote:<BR> <P>I was in some loot and glory runs through some T7 instances this weekend.  1 zerker, 1 fury, 2 dirge, 1 assassin, and me (70/50 ranger).  We are raid equipped (I'm not yet uber but getting there) with gear and group buffs I had both STR and AGI over 510, STA over 400, WIS and INT both in the low 200s Haste and DPS at 100% as buffs recycled.  Things went poof.  In a group we are still dps machines.  The fury was parsing and and me and the assassin constantly battled for the top spot.  We ran through Vaults, Blackscale, and Den in no time at all.  Even got the ranger class hat for back-up gear from the guy in Vaults.  In raid set up rangers get hosed just look at the procs and buffs we miss out on in the original thread you quoted.  In groups we can still make things go poof.</P> <P> If there is anything I would suggest learning it would be to ignore posters who post crap like learn to play your class or ranged dps is lower cause you trade it for AoE protection.  Learn to ignore that crap and you will go much further.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Have to ask.  If you're using the vault ranger hat as backup what are you using as your main.  Personally I use the vault hat as my main gear because I like the proc that inceases my crit's 2.8%.  It may not be alot but it does proc often.  And I'll take that higher chance to crit over the 7 extra Str relic or 5 extra Str Hoo'loo hats give.  The only hat I've seen I'd even consider using over the vault hat is the one from Lyceam that has I think 29 Str and 30 Int.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I use the hat from the Nest. Crown of Ixhav (or whatever). </P> <P>+20 str +5 agi +20 Int<BR>+3 Ranger +3 piercing<BR>630 vs magic 630 vs something else</P> <P>It is better than Hoo Lahs hat in all respects except for mitigation but who cares about that. It is one of the few hats that has both high strength and hign intelligence.</P> <P>I have hoo'lah's and the Cowl of the Pathfinder which I never use. I use hoo'lah when I am soloing for the extra agility and mitigation.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry took a while to respond but yeah the Crown is my primary and now the cowl is my back up I think on the player's site it still shows the cowl equipped cause i was taking some screenshots and goofing around last night.<BR>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<DIV>DPSing on a Ranger is all in how you play it. Don't expect to break 1k only using ranged abilities if you're not using a fabled bow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I recommend getting the Claymore bow, and grabbing the Grizzfazzles dirk. (Claymore bow meaning the one you get in SoS, with the 532 max hit and 73.2 DR)</DIV>

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xMiLoSiSx wrote:<BR> <DIV>DPSing on a Ranger is all in how you play it. Don't expect to break 1k only using ranged abilities if you're not using a fabled bow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I recommend getting the Claymore bow, and grabbing the Grizzfazzles dirk. (Claymore bow meaning the one you get in SoS, with the 532 max hit and 73.2 DR)</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ya i can routinely hit 1k dps with wurm destroyer bow, vyemm's fang, and the legendary katana that drops in PoA.  (I swear oblivion's edge will not drop for us <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    )  I've gotten a couple more masters and almost everything else is adept III and I've spiked in the 1.4k dps range occasionally.  Normally now I'm sitting right at 1k for raids but I'm working my butt off to do so.  Group set up makes a huge difference in how my raid dps will look.  In just group settings (quest updates/ loot and glory runs) things die very fast and dps bounces anywhere from 600 to 1.5K depending on how things are recycling.

[xMiLoSiSx]

<DIV>I usually sit around 1500 raid DPS on trash mobs, because i'm a slacker =</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I like to kick it up for named and make the assassins work to beat me on a parse, heh.</DIV>

[Crychtonn]

<P>/ponders thread topic</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/random thoughts come to mind</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/thinks to self  "hmmm wonder if any other rangers out there still running around and raiding with a T5 shield"</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/does a double take and concludes to self  "Naaa doubt it"</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/remembers he just got Sarnac bow</P> <P>/does happy dance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Dirtgirl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <P>/remembers he just got Sarnac bow</P> <P>/does happy dance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffcc66>OMG!!!!   /cry    I am cursed when it comes to bows. I still havnt seen any of them except the labs one.  /sniffle<BR>Grats Cry, much Ranger <3.</FONT><BR>

[Crychtonn]

<P>Why haven't you slit Snark's throat yet and stolen the one out of your guild bank.  After him teasing you with it for months and saying it just collects dust I'm sure you could get off the hook with a temporary insanity plea.  The penalty for killing a rat can't be all that bad now can it :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P> </P> <P>Sword and Board ranger FTW <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Dirtgirl]

<FONT color=#ffcc66>It was all an evil plot on Snark's part....<BR>He is not to be trusted  :smileywink:<BR>He has ring envy toward Skratch.</FONT>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <P>/ponders thread topic</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/random thoughts come to mind</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/thinks to self  "hmmm wonder if any other rangers out there still running around and raiding with a T5 shield"</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/does a double take and concludes to self  "Naaa doubt it"</P> <P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>/remembers he just got Sarnac bow</P> <P>/does happy dance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Does that shield still proc? i've been trying to farm one....

[Qwindar]

<div></div>I hate to derail this derailed thread, but I'm just coming back to EQ2. I remember reading that INT gives a bonus to spell damage, but CAs were not included as spells. I've seen a couple references to INT bonuses on equipment and that leads me to wonder, are CAs in fact considered spells for the INT to increase the dmg, or is it something else that I'm unaware of? I thought the 3 main stats for rangers were STR, STA, and AGI (not in that order) with WIS coming in a distant forth for resistance. Am I missing something? <div></div><p>Message Edited by Qwindar on <span class=date_text>09-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:42 PM</span>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Qwindar wrote:<BR> I hate to derail this derailed thread, but I'm just coming back to EQ2. I remember reading that INT gives a bonus to spell damage, but CAs were not included as spells. I've seen a couple references to INT bonuses on equipment and that leads me to wonder, are CAs in fact considered spells for the INT to increase the dmg, or is it something else that I'm unaware of? I thought the 3 main stats for rangers were STR, STA, and AGI (not in that order) with WIS coming in a distant forth for resistance. Am I missing something?<BR> <P>Message Edited by Qwindar on <SPAN class=date_text>09-06-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:42 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Poison damage.

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xMiLoSiSx wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Does that shield still proc? i've been trying to farm one....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>YEP <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>It's my own personal Ember Seed and the defensive 35 Str debuff proc goes off a decent amount when I get hit by an AE.  It's not a ton of damage but I still love using it and with max poison/proc crit it crit's alot.  I use it with the Qeynos Kilji which has a great damage proc.</P> <P>It's a shame they changed the Cryptic BP's to only work off Combat Arts or I might still use that.  I tried using it for a week or two but it just didn't seem to proc at all anymore.  Don't think I saw the DPS debuff icon pop up once the whole time and the Ice Bolt was very very rare.  Wish they'd kept it as a Succefull Attack proc that'd work on auto attack.  Chances are I'd still be using it.</P> <P> </P>

[LoreLady]

Here are some of the questions we should be asking ourselves..While assassin CA's ae still greater than Ranger CA's in terms of dps and recycle time.. What is the dps diffrence between t8 ammo and mark with decent int?At 100ish int - mark does 500-800 dmg (going off memory, if an assassin wish's to correct me - please do), while other members may trigger this proc procing 5x in 30s is very likely (the initial proc is alittle harder though) to a total of 4000 damage over 30s.. The question standing, does t8 ammo provide even a 4000 damage diffrence over 30s? And what is the diffrence in mark at 100 int to 400 or 500 int to t8 ammo?Personally, with playing another assassin, having random people play the same assassin with the same assassin who still tops my zonewide dps by 10-15% with adept 3's - with me at master 1's and while I maintain a 1.1k dps rating at nearly fully matered with the same groups... There is something wrong with that picture.. -----  Sidenote - I can do more dps with that assassin with a new hotkey setup, than I can myself while I am better equipped and better spells.Also - after talking with several high end rangers - the general idea is that it is "possible" for a ranger to hit 1.8k dps - however, zonewide parses still show the assassin being much higher - espessally after looking at disso's, and others parsings.

[Qwindar]

Thanks for the response! I never would've thought that a poison would be considered a spell, that's why I didn't make the connection. Come to think about it, that's why our INT AA line is poison based! <div></div>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>Here are some of the questions we should be asking ourselves..<BR><BR>While assassin CA's ae still greater than Ranger CA's in terms of dps and recycle time.. What is the dps diffrence between t8 ammo and mark with decent int?<BR><BR>At 100ish int - mark does 500-800 dmg (going off memory, if an assassin wish's to correct me - please do), while other members may trigger this proc procing 5x in 30s is very likely (the initial proc is alittle harder though) to a total of 4000 damage over 30s.. The question standing, does t8 ammo provide even a 4000 damage diffrence over 30s? And what is the diffrence in mark at 100 int to 400 or 500 int to t8 ammo?<BR><BR>Personally, with playing another assassin, having random people play the same assassin with the same assassin who still tops my zonewide dps by 10-15% with adept 3's - with me at master 1's and while I maintain a 1.1k dps rating at nearly fully matered with the same groups... There is something wrong with that picture.. <BR><BR>-----  Sidenote - I can do more dps with that assassin with a new hotkey setup, than I can myself while I am better equipped and better spells.<BR><BR><BR>Also - after talking with several high end rangers - the general idea is that it is "possible" for a ranger to hit 1.8k dps - however, zonewide parses still show the assassin being much higher - espessally after looking at disso's, and others parsings.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I just did 2k+ on every named in HoS and Lyceum today, minus Vilucidea.</P> <P>1.8k average in Lyceum, 1.6k in HoS.</P> <P>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] assassins.<BR></P>

[xandez]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>TaleraRis wrote:OMG Xan! AHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA That's great! *Right-click, save image as* <div></div><hr></blockquote>Hihi, i rolled on the floor too because of that img. I thought it would enjoy some of you too! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan

[VisualFoundry]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Flidias wrote:<BR> <P>LOL, you got that reference, didya? So if I asked you if you've seen a blood-red rose growing in a vacant lot near the Fedic #9 door (Verbal Entry Code Required) in Lower Manhattan, close to Tower Records, you'd know exactly what I was talking about, wouldn't you?</P> <P>I thought you might. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Of course I would, silly. Just like you'd know how a billy-bumbler looks, and the slow mutants, and understand the need for good riddles when riding a sentient (if somewhat deranged) monorail. We've discussed this before, when you had the 'other worlds' quote from Jake on your old sig. (Speaking of which, I love the new one.) </P> <P>/pulls a shell from his belt and causes it to dance fluidly over his knuckles</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>After reading this post I was hoping that I'd be able to write post #19, and that Aaron Deepneau and Calvin Tower (or Torin, depending on who you ask) would help me word it correctly. Instead I'm stuck drinking a can of Nazela and driving my Takuro Spirit wherever the superflu hasn't yet been found...

[xMiLoSiSx]

<DIV>Your Dark Tower humor bores me.</DIV>

[VisualFoundry]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xMiLoSiSx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Your Dark Tower humor bores me.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>aw shucks, guess I've bored someone... </P> <P>/over it</P>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<DIV>My bow has a Sandalwood grip.</DIV>

[Rinio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xMiLoSiSx wrote:<BR> <DIV>My bow has a Sandalwood grip.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>being a weaponsmith i tried to attach two long curved blades to mine..sony wouldnt let me though. Bastages.</P> <P>So you've noticed a decently big DPS upgrade since getting sarnak bow? Guess auto atk dps adds more for a ranger then some people would like to admit and as we all know. there is a huge lack of good bows.</P> <P>Im still useing grizfazzle =( sadly it is 1 of my only 4 remaining legendary pieces. Ive passed on about 8 ichorstands now waiting on bazkul and warbow =/ Shame on me?</P><p>Message Edited by RinionX on <span class=date_text>09-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:03 AM</span>

[xMiLoSiSx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RinionX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xMiLoSiSx wrote:<BR> <DIV>My bow has a Sandalwood grip.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>being a weaponsmith i tried to attach two long curved blades to mine..sony wouldnt let me though. Bastages.</P> <P>So you've noticed a decently big DPS upgrade since getting sarnak bow? Guess auto atk dps adds more for a ranger then some people would like to admit and as we all know. there is a huge lack of good bows.</P> <P>Im still useing grizfazzle =( sadly it is 1 of my only 4 remaining legendary pieces. Ive passed on about 8 ichorstands now waiting on bazkul and warbow =/ Shame on me?</P> <P>Message Edited by RinionX on <SPAN class=date_text>09-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:03 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ichorstand is only worth the ammo, and yes, bow auto-attack is a big modifier. I recently popped on all group gear, to match a newb ranger (No MoA, no fabled anything, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], no haste) to see how badly I'd bead him.. (AoAx2, helping someone with claymore)</P> <P>I dropped a bastage of a 1.5k, with grizfazzles. I'm still learning how to better DPS with my ranger, and when they fix the sarnak war bow, i'm pretty confident that i'll be making even assassins WW jealous =D. Sony just changed how our class is played.. while it is easier for other classes to do big numbers (I'm fairly confident these 2k assassins aren't parsing to their potential) we have to work MUCH harder to push those sort of numbers. Again, it takes effort.</P> <P>We're not the same Ranger we've always beenm</P>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Qwindar wrote:<BR>Thanks for the response! I never would've thought that a poison would be considered a spell, that's why I didn't make the connection. Come to think about it, that's why our INT AA line is poison based!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You also have 3 heat damage abilities that int affects and if you use the INT AA Line there are a couple more poison damage abilities there too.  My top three priorities in order are STR, AGI, INT.

[Rinio]

<P>wait so if its a 'magic' damage like heat the int line effects it? no wonder they ninja nerfed Bazkul and ichorstrand ammo to be pericing rather then divine and poison.</P> <P>would of been criting 70%+ of the time.</P>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RinionX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xMiLoSiSx wrote:<BR> <DIV>My bow has a Sandalwood grip.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>being a weaponsmith i tried to attach two long curved blades to mine..sony wouldnt let me though. Bastages.</P> <P>So you've noticed a decently big DPS upgrade since getting sarnak bow? Guess auto atk dps adds more for a ranger then some people would like to admit and as we all know. there is a huge lack of good bows.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>I've seen about a 400-500 DPS increase on the top end after getting the Sarnak bow.  Previously using the Recurved bow I'd top out on single target DPS in the mid to low 1500's.  I'm now topping out in the mid 1900's.  I say topping out because alot still comes down to the RNG and crits.  But even on a bad fight with a low number of crit's I'm seeing 1.4-1.6K.</FONT></P> <P>Im still useing grizfazzle =( sadly it is 1 of my only 4 remaining legendary pieces. Ive passed on about 8 ichorstands now waiting on bazkul and warbow =/ Shame on me?</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>If your goal is to get the Warbow (which it better be :smileytongue: ) and you can get Ichorstrand I'd go for it.  The ammo between Ichor and Bazkul are the same.  Bazkul ammo does have a much cooler graphic though.  So I could see going for that.  Myself I grabbed Ichor when it dropped first and haven't looked back.  The fact we still have yet to see Bazkul and have seen 2-3 more Ichorstrands keeps me happy in my decision.</FONT></P> <P>Message Edited by RinionX on <SPAN class=date_text>09-07-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>09:03 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Phylok]

<P>I think it's more about attitude then DPS.  I ran into two groups the other day.  and oddly enough both of them had heard my name before.  I can tell you it made my night,  but i'm not doing anything really that's special.  </P> <P>I think the true secret to being a Legendary anything, is being yourself and letting others see you.</P> <P>Thats just my opinion I could be wrong though.</P>

[Rinio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phylok wrote:<BR> <P>I think it's more about attitude then DPS.  I ran into two groups the other day.  and oddly enough both of them had heard my name before.  I can tell you it made my night,  but i'm not doing anything really that's special.  </P> <P>I think the true secret to being a Legendary anything, is being yourself and letting others see you.</P> <P>Thats just my opinion I could be wrong though.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>heheh Great to be known isnt it? isnt that hard on my server =/ not many raid rangers around anymore. they've all been sold off and are some random guys alt.<BR>

[Phylok]

<DIV>that's the thing, I don't know if it was an RP thing, or something else.  At this point i'm not to worried about it, i'm just enjoying my game *grin*</DIV>

[TaleraRis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xandez wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TaleraRis wrote:<BR>OMG Xan! AHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA<BR><BR>That's great!<BR><BR>*Right-click, save image as*<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hihi, i rolled on the floor too because of that img. I thought it would enjoy some of you too! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>++Xan<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>My boyfriend wants me to make it my desktop. Of course I can't do anything with my desktop right now because the motherboard died last night and it is the deded. Hoping it arrives tomorrow or I'm going to get behind in my online programming class <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[xandez]

<P>How about an online playng class? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>(would rock <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)<BR>Ahh.. crash courses of eq2, WoW, DDO, etc... muaha <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>++Xan</P>