Thorny trap any use?

[shogun007]

Hey all fellow rangers got question , what exactly does Thorny trap spell do? Do i need it more for solo or group? and what changes if i upgrade this spell , thats 3 questons i know but really curious cause its one of those rangers rare spells that dont repeat every14 levels like the rest do.Ty will be waiting on your responce

[xandez]

<div></div>Im lvl 64 atm, i use thorny trap all the time. It mainly shines on solo, but has some uses on the group play also.It roots the encounter + does dmg to them. The root has a high chance to break when you do dmg to the mob thou. But if lasts fairly long if you dont dmg em. So, it can be used as a "backdoor" type of escape etc... Ie. if things go wrong and you have placed the trap, just lead the mobs into the trap and run away... Combine it to selection / storm of arrows line and... you can do decent AoE dmg. Of course somewhat limited, but still...*edit*above example:1) place thorny trap (can be used while sneaking)2) use selection / strom of arrows line CA to begin the fight...3) mobs come to trap, take dmg and root themselves4) shoot storm of arrows (or selection maybe), finishing off maybe some mobs, etc... or just kill em 1 by 1 hope this helps++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>09-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 AM</span>

[shogun007]

Thx and quality of spell affects quality of root (less chance to break) i think , well will play  with that thx again

[xandez]

yah, might be so. Iirc i have it at adept3, not sure thou... But it generally breaks quite easily.++Xan<div></div>

[Balerius]

<DIV>While it has its uses while grouping or even raiding, Thorny Trap is probably most useful while soloing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If fighting a single mob, without Thorny Trap and engaging at max bow range you may get off two Ranged CAs and one bow autoattack before the mob is in your face.  With Thorny Trap and engaging at max bow range, you'll get off those same two Ranged CAs and one bow autoattack plus perhaps two more ranged CAs and one or two more bow autoattacks before the mob is in your face.  Now add a snaring shot to all of that, and there should never be a reason you can't take down heroic mobs your level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The best use, however, especially while solo is when you are engaging groups of mobs.  The Thorny Trap allows you to engage the mobs one at a time instead of having them all beating on you at once.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This one spell is what gives rangers a distinct advantage while soloing over every other scout class (once you get the spell, of course).</DIV>

[BSbon]

using the trap i was able to take out a group of 4 vvv blues 1 level below me without getting hit. it works really well provided the mob pathing doesn't lead them around the trap lol.

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balerius wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This one spell is what gives rangers a distinct advantage while soloing over every other scout class (once you get the spell, of course).</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Though I agree that the trap makes soloing much more viable for high-level rangers, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it gives us that much of an advantage over all other scouts. My mid-30s brigand already has four different ways to enable back / flank attacks (three of which cause damage), whereas rangers only get Cheap Shot. The brigand also has four back / flank attacks and one stealth attack to use in that interval. They also get more frontal attacks with higher damage, more overall durability, a stance that procs interrupts, and the Ruse line which does ridiculous damage while soloing. </P> <P>We do have PBS, Trap, and the Lunge root to enable 1-2 ranged CAs, but overall I'd say that even with Thorny Trap, the brigand class generally has an easier time soloing than the ranger. And I'm only speaking from experience at level 34; I'm sure it will be even easier by the time I'm 52.<BR></P>

[Crychtonn]

Have to agree with the Cat.  Brigands and even Swashy's to an extent can solo better then rangers.  Their self buffs and higher mitigation along with stronger melee / debuffs let them deal with mobs alot easier then a ranger or assassin.  If a rouge really wanted to they could spec out their AA's and could MT.

[Jay]

<DIV>Yeah, my brigand off-tanks regularly and MTs at times when it's necessary, and I don't even have the AA's set up to do so. Last group I was in, my health and mit were comparable to the tank's, too. But nevertheless, brigands really suck. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[TaleraRis]

I wouldn't even include PBS anymore to help get off 1-2 ranged shots. Possibly once I get it to 2.5s I might be able to get Miracle Arrow off, but I'm just barely making 2 shots when I use Lunge or Cheap Shot. My PBS is 1.8 atm and I can't even get Miracle Arrow to completely cast before the mob has moved into range and I get the "Too close!" message.

[Balerius]

<P>I'll stick by my statement that rangers have the advantage soloing.  Or rather, I'll sorta stick by it.</P> <P>First, I <STRONG><EM>did</EM> </STRONG>say that I was only saying rangers had the advantage once they got thorny trap.  So discussions about level 30 scouts don't apply.</P> <P>Second, the entire context of my discussion of the value of Thorny Trap was using it in conjunction with Ranged Attacks.  I will readily concede that if we don't have any room to use ranged attacks, then use of Thorny Trap is rather pointless and other scout classes' strengths while soloing using melee combat will make them better soloers than rangers.</P> <P>But if we have room to do range attacks....with Thorny Trap we can take down mobs without even getting hit.</P> <P>Think of us being the "avoidance soloers" of scouts and other scouts being the "mitigation soloers".  Fighting toe to toe with the mob, rogues will do better.  But in situations where we can avoid (ranged and Thorny Trap), I think we are better.</P>

[Jay]

<P>That's cool. And you're right, we do get a better root than anyone else, which is critical for our ranged attacks. The discussion of level 30 scout abilities was me speaking from my own experience with the brigand, and how effective he is as a soloer already. (Seriously, at level 20 I could do damage with the Ruse line that I didn't see until my ranger was in the 40s.) While I doubt soloing him will be significantly more difficult by 52, I won't know until I get there. </P> <P>But even without Thorny Trap or ranged attacks, the brigand can also destroy white or yellow-con solo mobs without being touched. Stuns, interrupts, and orientation-locking (or -forcing) attacks can more or less render a mob motionless while you beat it into the ground. </P> <P>Either way, your point stands: Thorny Trap is a huge asset to the soloing ranger. Whether that one CA establishes the ranger as the "best" soloer among all scouts post-52 is up for debate, but we can agree to disagree for now. There's far more important things to argue about. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P>

[Runewind]

Agreed. I use Thorny Trap all the time. and I just used it the other day on a pull in a tankless group to pull a named with friends rooted the friends, killed the named, and then slaughtered the friends. It was good times.<div></div>

[vochore]

any 1 know if its worthwhile to upgrade thornytrap to adpt3...does anything change<div></div>

[Runewind]

Can't help you there. Mine is adept 3. Because no adept 1s were for sale and I had someone make it and they can only make it at adept 3<div></div>

[xandez]

<P>mines ad3</P> <P>but, maybe the root duration and the initial dmg the trap makes increases when you upgrade it... shrug. Hard to tell, since imo, it doesnt say anything in the desc.</P> <P>++Xan</P>

[littleman17]

<DIV>Thorny Trap is a great skill to have when soloing but is very limited when grouping because it only works if the ranger pulls the mob and breaks after the mobs take 1-3 hits.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you really want to own a mob, set a TT, then lead off with Sniper's shot (at max range with the trap right in front of you) then our snare shot and Dev arrow. Once the mob hits the trap, back peddle and use surveil (or your version of) and pop off veiled fire... if the root is still holding, pop off triple volley followed by precise shot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If all goes well, you should have a dead or nearly dead mob running at ya... or not running at ya if they are dead. ~_^</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and as a side note on cheap shot, it should be getting used to get off a few of our weak quick cast range skills. Seeinf as how I usually lead with either Culling of the Weak in Dev arrow or Veiled Fire into Dev arrow. All that leaves to be used are our quick cast pathetic damage shots that only add up when used all at once. (precise shot, tripple volley, miracle arrow, etc)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But rather I do this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheap Shot</DIV> <DIV>Jump behind mob</DIV> <DIV>Longblade</DIV> <DIV>Ranger's Blade</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or when Ranger's blade is down</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheap Shot</DIV> <DIV>Jump behind</DIV> <DIV>Longblade</DIV> <DIV>Emberstrike</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Ranger's Blade combo can do upwards of 2k (or more) in damage in the same 4 seconds that 2 of our other bow attacks would be lucky to do 800.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The ember strike combo its self also does usualy 1-1.2k in damage in those same 4 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PBS can be used at rank four, if your timing is perfect, to get the emberstrike combo off as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is my lesson for today.</DIV><p>Message Edited by littleman17 on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:03 AM</span>

[Teksun]

I have used it in group. For named pulls, I'll plop it down between the caster and the MT. If anyone gets agro, it will root, giving the MT or myself a chance to get agro.<div></div>

[Davcre]

anyone else having problems with TT rooting mobs since the last publish?

[Rinio]

no sir seems to work fine for me in TT, My Trap randomly disapears ocasioinaly without going off in ToS though<p>Message Edited by RinionX on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 AM</span>

[Serventof Wrath]

<P>I actually use the trap in groups on named mobs.</P> <P>Put down the trap</P> <P>Tank pulls named</P> <P>I blast it with everything on pull</P> <P>Name turns to me and hits trap</P> <P>I laugh while mob stands still and group freaks out</P> <P>Elude -> Surveilance -> tank taunts</P> <P>Mob dies</P> <P>Disarm chest -> roll on loot -> head to next named</P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Rinio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Serventof Wrath wrote:<BR> <P>I actually use the trap in groups on named mobs.</P> <P>Put down the trap</P> <P>Tank pulls named</P> <P>I blast it with everything on pull</P> <P>Name turns to me and hits trap</P> <P>I laugh while mob stands still and group freaks out</P> <P>Elude -> Surveilance -> tank taunts</P> <P>Mob dies</P> <P>Disarm chest -> roll on loot -> head to next named</P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>could you demonstrate that laugh? is it a belly laugh? or a giggle cause your a wood elf? or are you an Evil  ninja ranger is wood elf disguise and its a superior evil laugh like muah hahahahaha!?

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RinionX wrote:<BR> <BR>could you demonstrate that laugh? is it a belly laugh? or a giggle cause your a wood elf? or are you an Evil  ninja ranger is wood elf disguise and its a superior evil laugh like muah hahahahaha!?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I have it set to flirty male and i make it a point to cheer the healers when they freak that first time and ward/heal me. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Rinio]

<DIV>nice. /cheer /whistle /flirt! you go you [Removed for Content] you!</DIV>

[xandez]

<div></div>rofl... trying to get this one locked are ya? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />*edit*seriously, the trap is nice in groups too, espec. with nameds... it could be better, but its ok as it is.++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:15 AM</span>

[TaleraRis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> littleman17 wrote:<BR> <DIV>But rather I do this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheap Shot</DIV> <DIV>Jump behind mob</DIV> <DIV>Longblade</DIV> <DIV>Ranger's Blade</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you have quick fingers you can get off </P> <P> </P> <P>Cheap Shot -run through mob-Shroudystabbity-Backstabbity (I can't remember what they are right now and I'm at work) - Surveil - Flameystabbity and the mob will just be turning around on Flamestabbity. It helps if you're already moving as Cheap Shot is going off. I can't do it every time, like I could when it was 6 seconds, but I've managed since they changed it to 4 to get the whole barrage off. It's pretty effective for mopping up.<BR></P>

[Jay]

Man, when it was 6 seconds, I could get off two backstabs and a ranged attack, and still have time to change loads of laundry, read War and Peace, and cook dinner before the mob turned back.

[Imlach]

<P>/sighs wistfully and nods to Jay</P> <P>good ole times...</P> <P>*end of 4 secs stun, mob turns and bashes the ranger*</P> <P>..............</P>

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div>Man, when it was 6 seconds, I could get off two backstabs and a ranged attack, and still have time to <font size="4">change loads of laundry</font>, read War and Peace, and cook dinner before the mob turned back.<hr></blockquote>You wouldn't have so much laundry if you wouldn't soil yourself during combat <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></div>