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Krazzil

08-31-2006, 07:41 AM

<DIV>I saw mention of Bodkin arrows significantly increasing hits, but has anyone tested the various arrows against each other? I solo alot more than group so I like not missing but if the total DPS comes out less....Also, does anyone know if the Arrows (rounded, Bodkin and Hunting) affect the CA shots?</DIV>

Balerius

08-31-2006, 10:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Krazzil wrote: <DIV>I saw mention of Bodkin arrows significantly increasing hits, but has anyone tested the various arrows against each other? I solo alot more than group so I like not missing but if the total DPS comes out less....Also, does anyone know if the Arrows (rounded, Bodkin and Hunting) affect the CA shots?</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> The type of arrow you use will be the type of damage you do, regardless of whether you are using Autoattack or CA unless the CA explicitly specifies a different type of damage. The type of arrow you use will affect whether or not your arrow hits, when you are using autoattack, when you are attacking a mob that is immune to a particular type of physical damage. However, the number of mobs that are immune to a specific type of physical damage is extremely limited and you will not face any while soloing. The type of arrow you use will affect whether or not your arrow hits, when you are using a CA, when the CA does not explicitly specify a different type of attack. For CAs, your percent chance of of hitting a mob with a ranged CA is also affected by the quality of the CA itself. Assuming a hit, the type of arrow you use will affect the amount of damage you do as a function of the quality of the arrow and the type of arrow used vs. resistances of the mob to specific types of physical damage. Assuming a hit, the type of arrow you use will affect the amount of damage you do while using a CA only as a function of the type of arrow used vs. resistances of the mob to specific types of physical attack (unless the CA explicitly specifiies a different type of damage whereupon the amount of damage will be a function of the mob's resistance to that type of damage). The quality of the arrow will have no bearing whatsoever of the amount of damage inflicted by a CA. edit: clarity (I hope)Message Edited by Balerius on 08-31-2006 02:10 AM

Krazzil

08-31-2006, 10:25 AM

So...From what you wrote the following should be concluded!?? Per in game item descriptions and such: <UL> <LI>Bodkin Arrows - Piercing damage with a stated increase in to-hit</LI> <LI>Hunting Arrows - Slashing Damage with no stated advantage</LI> <LI>Rounded Arrows - Crushing Damage with a stated increase in damage</LI></UL> <UL> <LI>Player made arrows are higher quality than Bought arrows. </LI> <LI>Ranger spell arrows are of an unknown quality compared to the 2.</LI></UL> Player made Bodkin Arrows should give me, a solo oriented player, the greatest benefit. Have not yet looked at it from a cost perspective as I am also a woodworker and can make my own arrows. Thanks for the Info!!! Any disenting opinions?

Rinio

08-31-2006, 05:06 PM

<DIV>its been a long time but last I remember when I used hunting arrows awhile back they did extra AE slashing damage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ill try it out tonight unless someone can confirm now...</DIV>

Balerius

08-31-2006, 05:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Krazzil wrote: So...From what you wrote the following should be concluded!?? Per in game item descriptions and such: <UL> <LI>Bodkin Arrows - Piercing damage with a stated increase in to-hit</LI> <LI>Hunting Arrows - Slashing Damage with no stated advantage</LI> <LI>Rounded Arrows - Crushing Damage with a stated increase in damage</LI></UL> <UL> <LI>Player made arrows are higher quality than Bought arrows. </LI> <LI>Ranger spell arrows are of an unknown quality compared to the 2.</LI></UL> Player made Bodkin Arrows should give me, a solo oriented player, the greatest benefit. Have not yet looked at it from a cost perspective as I am also a woodworker and can make my own arrows. Thanks for the Info!!! Any disenting opinions? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Bodkin arrows will give you perhaps the greatest benefit only in autoattack. But again, you must consider the quality of the arrow. By "Quality of Arrow" I was referring to the level of the arrow and whether it is treasured or legendary. Crafted arrows may or may not be of higher quality than store bought arrows. You can "examine" arrows to ascertain their quality. IMO, the level/tier of the arrow is more important than whether it is treasured or legendary. Correction to your list: Rounded arrows have no increased damage over regular arrows unless a mob is highly pierce resistant. Rounded arrows are simply arrows that do crushing damage. They also are supposed to have reduced accuracy. Now AFAIK, no one has ever done a statistically reliable study of the degree of increased accuracy of bodkin arrows or the degree of decreased accuracy of rounded arrows. For all I know, this mechanic is broken and arrows have no increased/decreased accuracy by type. Barring completion of such a study (by you?), one can only go by the arrow descriptions and personal feel. Ranger spell arrows are not of unknown quality...you can inspect them and rate them on their "quality" just like other arrows (store-bought or crafted). Bottom line is that there is much that we don't know about arrow damage. It's actually a subject that cries out for a dedicated ranger with lots of time on his/her hands to research/test. -- Are, in fact, Legendary arrows better than Treasured arrows of the same tier? If so, how much better? -- Are, in fact, Tier appropriate arrows better than arrows of a lower tier? If so, how much better? Does the degree of "betterness" increase with mob level? If so, at what rate? -- Where is the "crossover point" in damage between using legendary Tier-inappropriate arrows and treasured tier-appropriate arrows? -- Are, in fact, bodkin arrows "more accurate"? Are rounded arrows "less accurate". How much more/less accurate? What is the "crossover point" in damage between using supposedly more accurate bodkin arrows when factors such as arrow quality (both tier and treasured/legendary status) are factored in?

Balerius

08-31-2006, 05:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RinionX wrote: <DIV>its been a long time but last I remember when I used hunting arrows awhile back they did extra AE slashing damage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ill try it out tonight unless someone can confirm now...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Hunting arrows are simply arrows that do slashing damage. They have no inherant "AE capacity". They have no plus/minus to damage nor do they have no plus/minus to accuracy***. **** subject to rigorous testing.

Rinio

08-31-2006, 05:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balerius wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RinionX wrote: <DIV>its been a long time but last I remember when I used hunting arrows awhile back they did extra AE slashing damage. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ill try it out tonight unless someone can confirm now...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Hunting arrows are simply arrows that do slashing damage. They have no inherant "AE capacity". They have no plus/minus to damage nor do they have no plus/minus to accuracy***. **** subject to rigorous testing. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> k cool..I just remember something that was doing bonus damage when i was like leel 20 ^_^ /flee! must of been first time i used poison >< /hidesMessage Edited by RinionX on 08-31-2006 09:24 AM

Nak

08-31-2006, 07:04 PM

I'm partially fond of the umbral darkness myself :smileyhappy: <div></div>

Rinio

08-31-2006, 07:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naku9 wrote: I'm partially fond of the umbral darkness myself :smileyhappy: <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I hate you /cries in a corner

Balerius

08-31-2006, 08:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naku9 wrote: I'm partially fond of the umbral darkness myself :smileyhappy: <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, but I liked it a whole lot better when they did divine damage instead the piercing damage that they now do.

LoreLady

09-01-2006, 03:00 AM

I used to run on crafted arrows for several months - then baught store baught.. then went on crafted and back...My own conclusion that it makes little to no diffrence in auto attack dps.. I could be mistaken though.

Krazzil

09-01-2006, 10:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balerius wrote: Now AFAIK, no one has ever done a statistically reliable study of the degree of increased accuracy of bodkin arrows or the degree of decreased accuracy of rounded arrows. For all I know, this mechanic is broken and arrows have no increased/decreased accuracy by type. Barring completion of such a study (by you?), one can only go by the arrow descriptions and personal feel. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> OK, here is my first study: 33 arrows of each type listed below. 11 to be used in normal hit, 11 to be used with Wounding Arrow, 11 to be used in Heated Shot. <UL> <LI>Carbonite Arrow (Store Bought)</LI> <LI>Carbonite Makeshift Arrow</LI> <LI>Carbonite Bodkin Arrow - Handcrafted</LI> <LI>Carbonite Hunting Arrow - Handcrafted</LI> <LI>Carbonite Rounded Arrow - Handcrafted</LI></UL> I will give a number of hits and the average damage for each of the 11 types. Oh and you mentioned Treasured and Legendary Arrows???? How do you get these? Gimme a few days. Any other suggestions on the study?

Ecnomorc

09-02-2006, 02:47 AM

The only difference ive ever been told of between using cheap iron arrows and crafted is that you do more dmg with your auto attack if you use crafted. Dont know if thats true or not though someone would have to test it.<div></div>