Ok so what now ?

[shogun007]

<div></div>Well this is your favorite Shogun posting. After i read all forums all classes it seems that 99.9% of people disagree with my opinion that we rangers are fine, and say that we do need dps boost or utility. So i will ask for your advice, because my opinion based on level 50 cannot compete with opinions of lev 70/50aa rangers they obviosly know  raids just like i know groups and solo. So my question is --------- Do i need to level my ranger further to lev 70 if i plan to get into a raiding guild ( good one with deathtoll acess) or should i drop him and get another toon. I will not betray did it already dont like assasin would rather level my brigand, he is 43 atm. I like my ranger and playstyle but i want to raid and i want to get in the guild that raids, dont wanna be useless. I really dont want to sit there and wait for SOE to boost the ranger, i want to raid as soon as possible.  Ty for your time, will be waiting on your responce.<p>Message Edited by shogun007 on <span class=date_text>08-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:50 PM</span>

[shogun007]

Hmm sorry about problem with columns, tried to fix it but unsuccessfully,<span>:smileysad:</span>

[USAFJeeper]

<DIV>Unless you are already in a raiding guild you may find it difficult to get in one no matter what level and AAs.  Rarely do you see a raiding guild recruiting rangers, there are just too many of us already.  Brigands are a flavor of the month toon right now and you will soon see them become to numerous to consider.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems like Mystics/Defilers and Coercers are recruited a lot on Blackburrow.  For any of you at 70 who want a raiding guild, Saints of Norrath on Blackburrow is actually recruiting one right now.  Not sure how they like server transfers but meh.</DIV>

[Zaviur]

<DIV>Yeah I have a level 70 ranger and I've been looking for a guild for about 6 months now.  So if you want a good raiding guild I'd choose another class.</DIV>

[Judist]

<DIV>If you wanna get yer foot in the door...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I play late at night and have been invited to raid with almost every raid guild here on Oasis atleast once. This is only when they have an open slot and no guildies to fill it. It can be rare but it does happen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways, I keep a few of the best poisons/potions on me at all times for these wonderful moments. And when I do get the chance to raid with these guys I put 100% effort into my DPS. Honeslty I will parse as the top scout everytime and overall I'm only under a few Conj's or Mages. So usually I'm in the top 4-5 <U>as a guest</U> which will really help you stand out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Once you've made an outstanding impression you will get asked to join their guild. Yes, rangers offer little more than sheer DPS but when you prove you can bring tons of damage to their table they will want you in their ranks. I've always been asked to join their guild after the raid, but alas I'm very commited to by current guild. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Point is, as a ranger you need a chance to "prove your worth" these days. So see if any raid guilds will let you join one of their raids as a test run.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cap your STR and INT</DIV> <DIV>Dont be a burden on their healers (stay out of AOE)</DIV> <DIV>Forget MIT, get resists</DIV> <DIV>Dont ever pull aggro with spike DPS</DIV> <DIV>Chat it up a little, be friendly</DIV> <DIV>Provide consistent 1k+ DPS </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Show them that with you they are better.</DIV>

[shogun007]

<div></div>Ty very much for your responces will defintely try to make it there.<span>:smileywink:</span><p>Message Edited by shogun007 on <span class=date_text>08-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:46 PM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<P>Being in a Raid Guild on Oasis, Im going to have to disagree with you Beatin. If I can recall correctly, and I belive I can. Most of the DT accessed raid guilds already have at least one ranger on their rosters, and while I cant speak for other guilds.. I will say this, its going to be real difficult for a ranger with adept 3s, and legendary/mastercrafted gear to come even close to any of the fabled, mastered out rangers. Only making it that much more difficult to slide into a spot on the roster of said DT raid guilds.</P> <P>Shogun, this parts for you. Jeepers was right when he said that Brigands seem to be the flavor of the month. I have one, and it seems like more keep popping up every day. Its a fun class to play IMO, but that might just be because its so different from playing a Ranger. At one point, Brigands were in great need, but I dont believe this is true today. I could be wrong however, there may be a few guilds still searching for one. If I were you, I'd ask around, or read your servers forums and find out what guilds are looking for what classes. This will give you some idea of what direction you might want to head it. While it may not be impossible to get your ranger into a raiding guild, it will be, without a doubt, an up hill struggle.</P>

[xandez]

I dont see why you woudn't be able to get into raids. Sure, some other classes might offer better DPS but... Is the difference really THAT big so that you would be ditched from raids? If so, then change guild <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div>

[xandez]

<div></div>Yes, its hard to compare fabled geared M1 equipped rangers with legendary eq and adept1/3 Ca:s... But you will have to start from somewhere... bah doubleposted... *bonk*well ill put some other response here then <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan<div></div><p>Message Edited by xandez on <span class=date_text>08-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:06 AM</span>

[Mirdo]

<P>I have to say that if I were starting another character now and aiming to raid, it wouldn't be a Ranger. For solo and grouping, for me, my Bruiser is way more fun and less expensive to solo - but is a low requirement on raids..</P> <P>For raiding Dirge's seem to be in demand but are not really a DPS based character. Well played Conjurers are probably top DPS right now. Brigands although popular, will always be needed as far as I can see so are probably a 'solid' choice. There are a lot of Assassins around right now too so that's probably the best choice either.</P> <P>M. </P>

[Judist]

<P><FONT color=#ff0000>Being in a Raid Guild on Oasis, Im going to have to disagree with you Beatin. If I can recall correctly, and I belive I can. Most of the DT accessed raid guilds already have at least one ranger on their rosters, and while I cant speak for other guilds.. I will say this, <U>its going to be real difficult for a ranger with adept 3s, and legendary/mastercrafted gear to come even close to any of the fabled, mastered out rangers</U>. Only making it that much more difficult to slide into a spot on the roster of said DT raid guilds.</FONT></P> <P>You see, this is exactly the mindset I hate to hear. The greatest of DPSers are not great because they have the gear, they are great because they know how to play their class to its fullest. I've ALWAYS seen lesser equiped players outparse players in full fabled gear because they play better.</P> <P>Gear is stats, mit and resists (and sometimes procs/buffs/ect)</P> <P>Lets start with <U>stats</U>. I can cap STR with a potion. I can get INT pretty high with a potion + group buffs. With treasured jewelry I can cap it (tho I'd rather stick with my current resist jewelry). Either way I have the ability to CAP which is what matters.</P> <P>On to <U>resists</U>. With my uber legendary/mastercrafted setup all my resists are above 4k. In a balanced group all are over 5k plus a few in 6k region. With resist jewelry I can max any resist as necessary. Thats respectable. I picked every piece I wear based on resists and balancing it overall.</P> <P>Now <U>mitigation</U>. I'm a ranger, nuff said. A full set of mastercrafted+ is plenty of mit for me. And its way more than leather or cloth so I'm fine.</P> <P>All this being said I <U>can</U> and <U>have</U> parsed above scouts who are all fabled. I put 100% effort into providing damage and this includes getting the most out of my M2 focus aim, auto attacks, poisons and finding the perfect spot to add a melee attacks. Dont get me wrong, a ranger with more masters can out-DPS me, but I make it a close fight because I micro-manage.</P> <P>I owe my DPS to [The Ghostly Bow of Bylze] has the highest top end damage of every bow (I've seen) in game. Anyways this bow crits for 2k-4k a shot and I've seen it hit 5k twice. <U>This is auto-attack</U>. So put me in a group with a haste buff and have me CAP str and I'll hang with anyone. BTW this is a treasured bow.</P> <P>Gear... it makes things easier but its hardly necessary.</P> <P>PS. As for DD I havent had the pleasure of raiding with you guys. DD is great guild who never needs outside help, thus I really couldnt "prove my worth" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[TerriBlades]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BeatinGuts wrote:<BR> <P>PS. As for DD I havent had the pleasure of raiding with you guys. DD is great guild who never needs outside help, thus I really couldnt "prove my worth" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hmmmm now that sounds like fun. Look me up in game, maybe we could set something up! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will agree with you  that its the player that makes the toon good or bad. You'll never hear me say different, however the OP was asking about a guild raiding DT, so it only natural that you'd have to think that the rangers are still in a DT Flagged raid guild would be close to or fully fabled and mastered out. You'd aslo have to believe that each and every one of them know how to play their ranger very well. In a young, fresh to the scene raid guild I am sure things would be much different, but I dont believe that would happen in an established raid guild. Believe me when I say Ive been on some raids with very bad rangers, but I can tell the difference between a good ranger with bad gear (which has potential) and just a bad player.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LoreLady]

Doesnt matter what class you are - your going to have a tough time getting into a deathtoll guild that got there the honest way. If your looking to raid, and dont mind progressing with a guild.. Look for a guild that has about 40-50 members in it (normally most people show up once every 1/2 or 1/3 of raids), you may be asked to sit out with those kinds of numbers on bigger raids.. But its to be expected in a raiding guild..There are two types of guilds out there, those who raid to raid, and those who raid to loot. You can easilly tell the diffrence between the two, a guild who raids to raid will still do 3-4 raids a week even if its only at 2 groups and doing t6 junk.. A guild who raids for loot will call off any raid if they dont have the max people. Personally, I am not in a deathtoll guild and I am in a guild where there is only 30 people in there.. But, we have cleared out most of HoS, lyceum, labs and so on all 3 grouped.. Just because a guild may be small - dont underestimate it.

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>Doesnt matter what class you are - your going to have a tough time getting into a deathtoll guild that got there the honest way. If your looking to raid, and dont mind progressing with a guild.. Look for a guild that has about 40-50 members in it (normally most people show up once every 1/2 or 1/3 of raids), you may be asked to sit out with those kinds of numbers on bigger raids.. But its to be expected in a raiding guild..<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah, I think that is the real point here. (Yes, I'm agreeing with LL... don't be frightened, hehe.) </P> <P>Anybody, in ANY class, is probably not going to waltz right into a DT raiding guild straight off the street. They're going to come from another raiding guild, b/c no high-end raidguild is going to accept someone who doesn't have the credentials to be an asset to its raid force. The point of loot and masters is more a side-effect of that experience than anything. </P> <P>So if you want to raid DT, I'd plan on joining a guild that's working towards that point and helping them accomplish that goal. It's a bit unrealistic to expect to benefit from someone else's efforts if you don't have comparable experience and didn't do anything to help them attain that objective.<BR></P>

[Judist]

<P>I agree with everyone, and didnt know we were spliting it into raid guild / DT raid guild. I still believe you can get in either if given the opportunity to prove your an asset. Its much harder to do this with a DT guild but its possible if given the opportunity.</P> <P>Honestly you wouldnt want to start with a DT guild anyhow for the reasons stated above. You'll be far behind on gear compared to the rest. You'll want a guild who does the easier T7 and even runs some trash runs.</P> <P>Just dont think that because your a ranger you wont be able to raid T7 as I'm sure theres a guild that'll accept you. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>