Ohh stop crying already

[shogun007]

I  like many other ppl did betrayal  but then after couple more levels i really hated it and betrayed back. Why? Cause i like to play ranger not assasin. I dont like to  look for mob's behind every time, i like to stay at distance and shoot, i cannot play assasin even with his ranged spells its not anywhere near ranger. Playstyle is entirely diffferent and small dps increase only gets aggro on me more often and if i dont want that i need to hold back, so damage is equal without pulling too much aggro. And trust me if u like to be #1 get assasin or wizard if u like ranged damage get ranger, thats all plain and simple, dps increase brings aggro increase, anything over rangers damage pulls aggro thats why assasins, wizards and warlocks, holding back their devastating spells. In raids rangers play it safe and assasins dont . None of them has utility, and pls dont tell me about hate transfer its not a utility spell same with rangers hate dump. The only diffence is the playstyle wanna be a chain wearing wizard or backstabber? Better single target or Aoe ? Assasin king of single target and rangers dps will not be same but aoe ranger wins . And thats what they were desighned for completely balanced.Arrows hmm, good guild must have woodworker or buy them for rangers, other than that 99c pet stack of tin arrows is not too expensive i think.  So plz stop complaining its useless  u  can betray and make an assasin  but i dont  think u will like it much since u picked ranger  to do damage from the distance .  Get wizard  they do  damage from distance too and have very nice single target dps since they, unlike rangers were designed for it. Rangers willl hardly get any better then they are right now ,dont know about new expansion, if anyone has any info on it plz tell us. Thats just my opinion , a person who betrayed his ranger to assasin and  back.

[TerriBlades]

<DIV>/claps</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First off, this thread is just screaming for a lock based on the title alone. That being said. Im going to try my hardest to obey the forum rules. As much as I want to call you and idiot Shogun, Im going to refrain. I would like to point out that you stated you leveled your newly betrayed assassin, that right there tells me that you arent 70, I'd further guess that you dont raid either. So, keeping that in mind, I'm going to have to tell you to shut up, because you dont have an idea what you are talking about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You like your ranger, good for you, I love mine... but sometimes love isnt enough. Being a viable class for a raid (cause if you ever hit 70, you'll understand there isnt much else to do) is very important. The only time that anyone here is going to tell you that rangers are underpowered or have mediocore DPS is during a raid. THAT is our one big complaint.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for having a guildie, or the guild pay for arrows? HAHAHA yeah, find me someone that wants to spend HOURS upon HOURS crafting arrows, only to have to do it all over again after the raid? Not gonna happen. As for the guild paying for arrows? WHY would they? Its cheaper to just get rid of the ranger and replace him with a good brigand. You'll get roughly the same DPS, but the brigand will up everyones overall dps and not [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about the price of arrows!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So to you Shogun, Im glad you love your Ranger. Assassin playstyle isnt for everyone, and most of us here dont want to play an assassin. We just want to be on par with other T1 DPS classes. Now plz, crawl back into whatever hole you came out of! k thanks!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Juniger]

<DIV>Thank you</DIV>

[shogun007]

What i wanted to do is give my personal experience thats all if u disagree its your point like i said before its strictly my opinion.Now about forum rules if there is an idiot, its u posting staff like that,  did i  offend anyone in any way to get such reply ? I wanted to bring something positive to our forums telling about my experience with ranger and assasin. It was my mistake u all a bunch of whiners who can do only one thing and that is betrayal because i am ashamed me and u have the same class , your a crybaby and your attitude sucks.I REFUSE TO POST ANY MORE FORUMS IN RANGERS FORUM YOU  WANT TO CRY AND WHINE CRY AND WHINE  WITHOUT ME ITS NOT RANGER WHO SUCK ITS THOSE PPL THAT DO REPLIES LIKE THAT , DONT KNOW HOW U GOT YOUR RANGER  I THINK IT WAS AN EBAY THOUGH . THATS IT GO AND CRY THAT U SUCK  MAKE US LOOK BAD EVEN MORE . ME I AM DONE.

[TerriBlades]

<P>Ya think the title of your message "Ohh stop crying already" might have had something to do with my reply?? If thats not asking for a flame... I dont know what would!</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shogun007 wrote:<BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>I REFUSE TO POST ANY MORE FORUMS IN RANGERS FORUM</FONT> YOU  WANT TO CRY AND WHINE CRY AND WHINE  WITHOUT ME ITS NOT RANGER WHO SUCK ITS THOSE PPL THAT DO REPLIES LIKE THAT , DONT KNOW HOW U GOT YOUR RANGER  I THINK IT WAS AN EBAY THOUGH . THATS IT GO AND CRY THAT U SUCK  MAKE US LOOK BAD EVEN MORE . ME I AM DONE.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Good bye! Im sure every Ranger here will miss you, and your 10 posts! Have a nice day now.<BR></P>

[Katsugen]

<P>Did he just say his Assassin pulled to much agro? and in the same breath bash hate transfer? :rollseyes:</P> <P>Pretty sure these high end raiding ranger don't worry about arrows either, and I'm pretty sure those same high end guilds have Assassins that can out parse a ranger w/o pulling agro.</P> <P>No offense to alot of rangers out there, but I not gonna stop my crying just because a non-70, non-fully fabled, non-fully mastered ranger says we are ok. Until I start seeing some parses of rangers hanging in there w/ the 5 other classes in the 1500-2k realm raid wide then I feel justified in my gripes.</P> <P>- Katsugen</P>

[Tarryn]

<P>Shogun, no offense, but... If you wish to be taken seriously, it would be wise for you to communicate effectively.  It's possible that English is not your primary language, of course.  Perhaps you could have an English-literate friend aid you by proofreading your posts for you?  I'm not trying to be mean here, but it is very difficult to interpret your postings.</P>

[Thumatos]

<P>well,  im not anywhere near 70 atm,   actually im 24.  yeah  im a non fabled  non the rest of it too.  But as someone very wise said, its not the destination, its the journey.  OK your 70  wow ,  you WON the game essentially.  ( at least til an expansion comes out that raises the cap ) I love the ranger so far.  it gives me the only real feeling of roleplay any class has yet.  and i've been around a while. heck i've deleted so many alts so far i cant count em .</P> <P>Yes, there are more dps, more tanking more this and more that.  but  hey, im a ranger.  If only they had non tradeable foraged food items ) </P> <P>If your in for the I'm Uber, Highest dps, best item game.  Good for you.   That happened in eq1 and i left that then .  I like exploring,  meeting new ( umm ) mobs,  and killing them.   Ranger seems to excell at that.  Mabey later that changes,  but according to all the threads i read,  rangers are only problematic at end game high level raiding.  If thats so,   Personally,   i dont care.   By the time i get there  and explore the rest of the world.  Either the cap will be  raised and new places will be discovered, or ill be exploring a new world. ( conan or vanguard or something yet to be made ) </P> <P>Its not the destination, but the journey. </P> <P> </P>

[LoreLady]

I wish there was a shotbuss kid fourm for people like the above poster, and a 70's or raiding fourm already.. And this is why.. A level 24 ranger could not hope to understand how things are between class to class to class, us 70's raiders have compared ourselves to others, compiled data, look how things are generally from class to class to class.. A level 24 ranger could not hope to comprehend where everyone is..And for those of us who are crying.. This is the groups were sitting in... t1 - Assassins/wizards/t1.5 - Swashbucklers/Brigands/Conj's/Necromancerst3 - Rangers/Warlocks (warlocks also need some love)Monks/Bruisers/Shadowknights/t4-Bezerkers/guardians and so forth and so on.And there is no more t2 anymore. - Not at this stage of the game.

[Katsugen]

<P>I'm pretty sure all these posts with "rangers crying" is about end game raiding. If your a casual player, just out for a joy ride, then you are not going to see the problem. Rangers do more than fine in a group, and half those ppl wouldn't care anyway. You think some little hobo group is gonna kick you out because you aren't parsing high enough? The average player doesn't even think about parsing, heck half the high end ppl don't parse.</P> <P>When I see posts from rangers complaining about how our snares and stuns are nerfed and they can't solo at all, you know what I do. I don't say jack...you know why? Cuz I don't solo. And I'm not going to make stupid posts about things I obviously know nothing about. I don't tell those ppl to stop their crying and find a group, and I don't wanna hear jack from them about how I should react to end game issues.</P> <P>- Katsugen</P>

[Gareorn]

<DIV>/hands Shogun a tissue</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Was the subject title suppose to be ironic?</DIV>

[Thumatos]

<P>no i dont know what the 70's ranger endgame is like.  And again  to me it matters not,   Its a game.  If i dont like the way it plays, i go get another game.  if my toy is broken i buy another toy.  ( or a new engine block and tranny in my case ) Just curious if anyone has ever compiled a list of how many 70's peeps look at these forums and how many lower levels do or other classes thinking of trying a ranger and reading about how bad they broken.  I've read ALOT of these posts and alot of them do NOT emphasize end game raiding, they just give the idea that rangers are broken.  Making people believe that the whole class is from 1 to 70.  o and before you comment </P> <P>"I wish there was a shotbuss kid fourm for people like the above poster"</P> <P>Consider there isn't a 70's raiding forum. ( wish there was )  and i did say if your into all the end game content, good for you.  but I'm happy with my ranger and couldn't care less about raiding.  Probably never will.   Like i said if only thing left for me is raiding,  well by then alot of new things will be out.  So, to reinterate.  if you have problems and concerns with end game raiding, if thats your thing,  i can acknowledge ( not understand , true ) but acknowledge your frustration,  but does that mean that my comments are worthless or my take on the ranger class is wrong because i like it?  No.  different view. Mine is appropriate for me and yours for you.  </P> <P>my main concern, and i may make it my pet project, is to inform all new players considering the ranger class,  that all these threads about rangers nerfed, broken, useless, . . .   are end game high level only and rangers seem to me ( from my limited perspective ) to be a blast.  </P>

[LoreLady]

Rangers arent broken out of submission - we just arent where we should be.. A brigand or swashbuckler does good dps, a ranger dps good dps.. A assassin does great dps.

[Jayad]

At least the Ranger forum has good DPS.

[Gailstryd]

ROFL!

[BSbon]

<DIV>this post is just screaming to be locked for inciting flaming lol. i play ranger cause i like ranger. i had an assassin once and deleted him. didn't care for the playstyle</DIV>

[Peston]

I call locking it <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[Prandtl]

IBTL!!

[tass]

[Removed for Content]. An assasin has an entirly different playstyle? Well i'll be damned!<div></div>

[xandez]

<DIV>/Cry</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heh... sry, couldn't resist <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>++Xan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Boke]

<P><IMG src="http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l248/Pimak/ranja2.gif"></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>:smileysurprised:</P>

[Nak]

OMG is this the first assassin to ranger betrayl ever omg [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!!!!!!!!!!!!! or does it not count because he was originally a ranger!? and quit your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]in foo no one gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about your prefrences while theres an imbalance.... k thx bye bye <div></div>

[TaleraRis]

LOL Boke The good part of 3.5 was that it finally gave rangers the option of two-weapon fighting or archery and the requisite feats associated with them. The archery feats are sweet. <div></div>

[shogun007]

<div></div><div></div>Hmm i read many wonderful replies on a subject of a ranger plastyle vs assasins.  I confess  i really wanted to stop posting after my 10 topics , which u mentioned  earlier, therefore making me a newbie, who doesnt know what he is talikng about . Also my fine skill of writing was mentioned earlier on a forum, with a suggestion  to lock it , and several people have called me "uneducated ranger'', ty u guys are fun. First of all i play a ranger , i played an assasin and assasin does better dps since its his primary job to do a huge burst dps but i guess all ppl who insulted me on this forum are not familiar with English either, asassin always been #1 single target dps, and rangers get some aoe ability which is higher then assasins. Term assasin is a hired killer who needs to kill his victim as fast as possible and dissapear. And they have this ability in EQ2. And yes i think i am the first ranger who betrayed to assasin and back. I like playing a ranger and if i need to get a dps class for raids i will get wizard, because the playstyle suits me more or less. THIS IS NOT MY WORK THIS IS A GAME AND I WANT TO PLAY THE CLASS I WANT AND IF I LIKE IT, I LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS. If dps is your primary concern betray ASSASIN DOES MORE DAMAGE. About 20% more and so is AGGRO , and i didnt made this topic to be discussed among those rangers who play this game for the last 10-15 years, u guys know better whats good for u, i made it for those unsure what will happen if they betray and how is it on Freeport side, what is damage difference etc. The topic name might be little impolite but nobody else complains as much as rangers so i named it right. Anyways if u want to discuss my languadge skills and my personal experience plz do so on other forum i post what i like and i dont insult anyone, but never liked crybabies, anyways enough talking will go play game its more important , in game i outdps pretty much anyone i am not a worthless forum ranger see u have a great time<p>Message Edited by shogun007 on <span class="date_text">08-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:38 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by shogun007 on <span class=date_text>08-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:39 PM</span>

[TerriBlades]

<P>I can see now that you were hit on the head one too many times Shogun. So Im going to say this as blunt as I possibly. I DONT CARE about how you like to play your ranger, I couldnt care less. I however do different things then you. Like raiding. You'll never hear me say " I cant solo this, or I cant get a group" for several reasons. First one being, I can solo.. I just dont. its not an aspect of the game that appeals to me. As for groups... Well I could get those just fine if I wanted, but groups only offer me what? Loot? I cant gain anymore xp, so loot would be the only drive there.  So yea, DPS DURING a RAID IS my primary concern. And no, I dont want to betray. If I want an assassin I'll roll up another toon. Its not like getting to 70 is difficult. Ive invested far too much time and coin into my ranger. Im mostly fabled, and Im missing 2 61-70 Masters (Rain and Vines, and I wont buy vines unless its the last one I need).  As far as you saying that you made this thread for other rangers thinking about betrayal.. Im gonna have to call you a liar. Again, your title says everything that needs to be said about this thread. </P> <P> </P> <P>One last thing... Hit 70.. start raiding.. then come back here and tell us how you out dps pretty much anyone. Until you can do the first two, you really shouldnt comment on things you know nothing about.</P>

[shogun007]

<div></div>Rangers lev 70/50aa PLZ LEAVE THIS TOPIC DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR USELESS RESPONCES THIS IS NOT A RAID DPS DISSCUSSION AND STOP INSULTING ME PLZ IF SOMEONE GOT HIT IN THE HEAD ITS U IDIOTS WHO SHOULD WATCH THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARD OTHER PPL POSTING AND I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A RAIDING ISSUE FOR RAIDS MAKE YOUR OWN DAWN TOPIC WHERE U CAN WHINE TO EACH OTHER  ABOUT HOW U GOT NERFED PLZ LEAVE THE TOPIC FOR THOSE WHO IS NOT RAIDING AND MAY NOT RAID AT ALL. SOE WILL NOT FIX, IT NEVER FIXES IT NERFES. IF U CARE ABOUT RAIDING ISSUE SO MUCH, MAKE A TOPIC FOR IT I AM SHARING MY EXPERIENCE U DONT WANNA HEAR IT DONT READ !!!! DONT POST!!!! GO DO ANOTHER TOPIC<p>Message Edited by shogun007 on <span class=date_text>08-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:29 PM</span>

[Raminicus]

almost two years after the launch of the game you must realize that the majority of players will be raid-level.  Once you cap at level 70 there's really not much to do other than enjoy your friends' company, acquire new and better equipment, and raid.  It is the focus of the majority of the community.

[shogun007]

K raminicus u obviously know the raid staff plz tell me is it so bad to be a ranger at lev 70 during raids ? Whats the main problem except Dps issue .Is there a serious reason not to take ranger if u plan to raid?

[Raminicus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> shogun007 wrote:<BR>K raminicus u obviously know the raid staff plz tell me is it so bad to be a ranger at lev 70 during raids ? Whats the main problem except Dps issue .Is there a serious reason not to take ranger if u plan to raid?<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm not lvl 70.  I have a lvl 50 Warlock and lvl 31 Ranger.  I was merely trying to provide some perspective.

[shogun007]

Hehe i just told  everyone, who is level 70, to leave the forum, so they left. Anyway if any of u smart guys would expalin to me what u mean by, rangers suck at raiding,  i would certainly appreciated and if a person would state facts, instead of telling me how dumb i am( i never said i know stuff all i did i provided my experience)  so if there are any rangers who can explain in polite manner why and what happens at lev 70  during raids it would be greatly appreciated and remeber i didnt start with insults , i based topic name on all other topics that always saying that rangers are nerfed, all the time and i must say i love my class and really dont see the point  of crying about it, but i am not a lev 70 ranger u are, there are many things i dont know about  and i never said i am perfect all i want is decent and honest  answer , and i know i am dumb, with bad writing skill , who should crawl back to wherever he came from blah,blah,blah. State  your opinions on facts  and plz no parsers , one fight i am #1 another is assasin  and that doesnt say a thing . Anyway all those who wanna tell me how bad i am plz dont post, all those who wants to share his/hers raiding experience plz go ahead and do so. Have a nice day!

[Katsugen]

<P>Shogun,</P> <P>A high end raid is going to try to optimize (to the best of their ability) their groups. An on going trend that alot of rangers have seen is that the zone wide parses are not being very nice to them. Your right parsing one or two fights can often be misleading, and you really do need a large sample. There have been numerous posts showing summoners,assassins,wizzies,brigs, and swashies besting rangers. In some of these high end raids they are showing them hitting 1500-2000dps over the whole zone. And I think alot of rangers are finding themselves lagging behind those such classes. </P> <P>You will see alot of complaining on these boards and I venture to guess it's mostly end game related. I really can't comment much on how ranger dps is now pre-60. When I was leveling up we were still dps monsters. But when I was leveling 60 to 70 yeh it was rough, but not to the point where the group cared. Single group expectations are alot different than raid expectations. Some guilds take dps very serious, and if you slack, you could be in danger of sitting out or worse, booted.</P> <P>Some of us get concerned, as we see high end guilds neglecting rangers. Many guild leaders watch what the high end leaders do, and inturn emulate. On our server another top guild had their ranger betray, and our guild isn't accepting anymore rangers. Our server is weeks to months behind many others, and if the problem is starting to show here, it might trickle down beyond simply a raiding issue.</P> <P>Soon you have single groups avoiding rangers, cuz they see all these guilds neglecting them, and next thing you know rangers can't even get a hof group. Sadly there is not much we can do around here to envoke change. so we bltch.</P> <P>- Katsugen</P>

[Imlach]

<P>Shogun...</P> <P>i do raid, solo and group... i like to do them all and enjoy my ranger... here are my 2 cents about your comments, questions and such about your post;</P> <P>- you said you spent 1c per arrow and you seem to think its not much... indeed... true... tho when you reach at 60-70 you start paying 12s (at least to a vendor sold arrow) and even when i group and solo i spend golds and golds on arrows... and if you raid it gets even worse... you really cant get anyone to craft you thousands of arrows spending hours for free... be it a guildie or not... i am a WS myself and have tons of rare ingots, i cant find a woodworker (even when i pay) who is really willing to craft me enough arrows that i would feel myself comfortable with... so like many rangers i do buy arrows from vendors too... and i am saying that arrow cost matters especially when you go up high in levels...</P> <P>- Soloing and grouping DPS is very subjective... us rangers do decent DPS in those cases... but assuming that i am a great ranger who knows all about his class and also assume again that i am grouped with a same level Assassin... in those cases i can keep up with assassins... sometimes i outparse them and sometimes they do... but in an objective perspective i do alot of work to to just KEEP UP with them... i spend more money on arrows too... while the assassin doing half of my dancing and do the same damage i do...</P> <P>- you really need not use CAPS which is disturbing... if you cant make your point to someone in the first place yelling wont help... </P> <P>- when you reach at high levels 60+ you will see and possibly dislike that you have to pay fortune to arrows and poisons (which rarely procs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) and do tond of dancing tactics and such, while a wizard just sits there pokes some CA's and do much better DPS than you do without a cost... the disturbing part is the definition of both is T1 dps... which is ridiculous...</P> <P>- as you move up levels you will get some distinctive CA's like Stream of arrows, Hawk dive etc... and you lll soon notice they are quite a joke comparing to other classes distinctive spells... theat is possibly because they were designed based on how once the poisons procced and now since they nerfed those the skill becomes a total waste of hotbar space <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and they need to be rebuilt IMHO...</P> <P>The main point of WHINING RANGERS as you called them, is mainly rangers MUST do tons of work and spend tons of gold (plat actually) to just keep up with DECENT DPS as they move higher and higher on the levels... and the gap enlarges no matter how hard they try... and this is actually not the definition of T1 DPS... "Go reroll another class!" is not a viable option for most of us who WANT to play a ranger and invested quite some amount of time and plats on their beloved toon... The definition of a Ranger according to SoE is still a T1 DPS character... as long as they dont change that definition, i will go on expecting exactly that definition for my ranger from them...</P> <P>if they come up with the honest response like "Yo guys we redesigned rangers as T3 DPS now live up to it or leave!" then that will be another story... i ll stop my whining and thank SoE guys for proving me right on my opinion that they have no idea on what they do and leave... </P> <P>until then, like it or not... i ll protest</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Teksun]

First he says stop the crying. Then he asks all the level 70/50 raiders to quit posting. Isn't that a little, um... wrong? The only problem with rangers IS the end game raiding. If he would have read any of the posts he would have seen that. Sure we have a few CA's that are worthless, but we do fine solo, we do fine in group. The only complaints I see (worth mentioning) concern end game raiding...<div></div>

[Rinio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>Rangers arent broken out of submission - we just arent where we should be.. A brigand or swashbuckler does good dps, a ranger dps good dps.. A assassin does great dps.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thats the problem all together imo there is no way to progress and make ourselves better. They should quit bein panzys about it and make more AA lines to progess in, ive a feeling they wont add enough in the next xpac =*( going to be like 3 more lines and you get your choice of 10 more AAs /shrug<p>Message Edited by RinionX on <span class=date_text>08-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:50 AM</span>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>RinionX wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> LoreLady wrote:Rangers arent broken out of submission - we just arent where we should be.. A brigand or swashbuckler does good dps, a ranger dps good dps.. A assassin does great dps. <hr> </blockquote>thats the problem all together imo there is no way to progress and make ourselves better. They should quit bein panzys about it and make more AA lines to progess in, ive a feeling they wont add enough in the next xpac =*( going to be like 3 more lines and you get your choice of 10 more AAs /shrug<p>Message Edited by RinionX on <span class="date_text">08-28-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:50 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I still find it hillarious that they give us 25 aa's to spend just to be "onpar" with a non aa'd assassin.</div>

[Saihung23]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>kk, first things first...Shogun, you forgot to write that last post in all capitals like the others...so here you go I fixed it for you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>shogun007 wrote:<BR></P> <P>BLAH BLAH BLAH MY OPINION NOT YOURS BLAH BLAH BLAH IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS YOU ARE A BABY AND TEH SUCK BLEH BLEH BLEH<BR><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Hey, while I dont want people to get the wrong impression of folks when they come to this thread...no one has the right to be as ignorant to the posters in this forum as you have.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>So you dont like people complaining...thats your problem...so you dont think there is a problem with rangers DPS numbers...that is your opinion....so you dont like starting new paragraphs and using punctuation...thats our problem if we read your posts....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Why in the hell would you write and I quote "</FONT><FONT color=#ffffff> REFUSE TO POST ANY MORE FORUMS IN RANGERS FORUM</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>" if you dont really mean it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>You lied sir...and I detest liars.  Find an ideal and stick to it.  You dont want to post here because people disagree with you? Go start shogunforums.com and only let in your friends.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Do not come here with your abrasive attitude, insulting many fine people who have been discussing ranger issues as it relates to them, and expect us to all kow tow to you and declare you the ranger forum savior.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Be a man, take an opinion that differs from yours and embrace it.  Look at it from the other side of the table and ask yourself what is behind it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>As it stands all you accomplish with your posts is increasing the ignorance level by posting flamebait after flamebait.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Peace Health and Happiness</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>

[Teksun]

/Salute Saihung<div></div>

[shogun007]

<div></div>Ty saihung for provided responce after i repeatedly asked not to involve your personal feelings and your code of honour here, only simple facts about the rangers not myself. I am not as great as u making me and i am not an issue to talk about.  Just wanted to tell Imlach that i had same issue with arrows but always made it a master 2 choice (summon arrow spell) . At level 48 i bought master1 spell since i didnt have master 2 choices for the spell. I use it whenever is up even if i am by broker so when i do nothing amount of arrows grows, then it slowly decreases but i am still casting every ten minutes and it on master one, so for me its an issue anymore. I threw out all  tin arrows that i bought i have arrows all over now. And the dps, while playing an assasin i could do higher burst damage thats true, they better at it at least for my level 48 , still like my ranger though. I dont know if u need to buy a mastercrafted arrows for raid if so its very expencive indeed. Although this is definately not my first char there are some high end guilds who have woodworker or buy arrows for raids, along with repair kits and other stuff, plus there are some very nice bows in deathtoll that i heard about,  that summon arrows .Anyways this was not a statement just my 2 cents<p>Message Edited by shogun007 on <span class=date_text>08-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:17 PM</span>

[Truxker]

<DIV>I think this thread has cried its last tear. THe bashing that goes on here was not really needed. Plus all cap msg arnt really needed as well. In the future lets continue to keep things constructive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>::Calls in ninja lock crew:: </DIV>