Bruisers are my bane - advice?

[Gilgadesh]

<DIV>I just started PvPing with ranger.  He's level 17 and not twinked and it's not really an option because he is my highest level character on  the PvP server - although I am trying self twink with tradeskilling.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, I have been concentrating on home defense, ruins, caves, down below, etc.  Well there are a couple of bruisers that I consistently run into who are a couple of levels below me - apparently exp locked.  Anyway I consistently get spanked pretty easily by them 1 on 1.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is this just one of the classes that rangers do badly against?  I haven't been able to come up with any tactics that allow me to defeat them 1 on 1, at least not at 17.  Are they rock to my scissors?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I just need to gear up?  But by the time I get the good gear I will have leveled past their range, unless I lock exp, which I am loathe to do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any of you veteran rangers have advice for winning or is this just a fight I should avoid?  I must admit, I'm not really big on avoiding fights, at least not 1 on 1, I prefer to figure out a way to win.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My current strategy consists of parking my ranger and harvesting to try to get a full set of imbued blackened iron chain and weapons, imbued bone long bow, and as may adept 3s as I can.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thoughts?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rinio]

<DIV>once you have a snare dont try to depend on your melee abilty for these guys just keep it snared and kite it. and if he trys to run all the better keep him snared and snipe him down. once a bruiser has anyone in melee range in that level range its over, your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is grass</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>well maybe a good healer can out heal them til lthey run low on power</DIV>

[ebonywo]

Ya bruisers are generally the bane of scouts for pvp... You can try the kite move, or you can run.  That's about it.  Unfortunately high avoidance is killer for scouts.  Rangers are more suited to putting arrows into casters backs anyways :smileytongue:

[Gilgadesh]

Well the bad news is good news - at least it's not <STRONG>just</STRONG> because I suck, maybe I need to level up my monk alchemist to drive out the bruisers from Qeynos newbie land...<p>Message Edited by Gilgadesh on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:58 PM</span>

[jasonb]

<DIV>You'll need something better than a monk.</DIV>

[Gilgadesh]

Aren't monks the flipside of bruisers?

[Ranja]

You also might want to try asking on the PvP board. Most Rangers here do not PvP

[TimidMou]

I thought necros were pretty hard for us too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But yeah bruisers are powerful!

[Rinio]

<DIV>its my experiance dueling bruisers as a ranger to keep fast hit an runs going. hit them with a stealth atk/ dots then make them drop target with elude and then stealth or use surviel. keep um looking for a target.</DIV>

[LoreLady]

I say the exact oposite to the above poster.. Stealth immediatly and stay away from the brawler at all costs, brawlers have point blank AE and taunts that will expose you. Wait 30 seconds before jumping into combat again, the idea is to make them use there 10s invunerability and make them have to cure the snares..Once every minute - a brawler gets 10s of invunerability.. Once a brawler gets close to you and starts stunning you - your dead no way around it..Once every....??? I forget,  but brawlers have a self cure for snares and such (or atleast thats what my brawler friend told me after I wondered why the  f**k my snares werent working.)Brawlers are hard to beat, its in there class makeup.

[Merkad]

I am not so sure about that (Lorelady). I honestly think that eveeryone should have a contingency plan for totem users. I never make stealth a standard part of dueling (note dueling, not PvP, I can't stand the gank attitude), I try to win without relying on it. That said, if my foe is too cheap to buy a butterfly totem, I have no qualms using it (or someother see stealth means), but I always assume they have them. It is quite funny seeing so many people doing the ?!? thing when they stealth and I keep attacking...makes you wonder.Anyways, I cannot help on PvP, as I am not familiar with the ruleset changes, all I know is that I use lifetap poisons (more for the hp heal than damage, because I assume most people have high resists, but that does not change the heal back amount of tap poisons), defensive stance/shield (about 65% avoidance), snare, thorny trap, lunging joust, run like hell, rinse and repeat.Oh, and gracelessness/cover fire/devitalizing arrow in tandem will seriously reduce anyone's avoidance.Duels sure are fun as a Ranger, imo.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[LoreLady]

Yea, but stealth is your friend when dueling any sort of brawler.. If they get close to you once your done for.. They do more dps than you and keep you flat on your back for like 10s in a row with consistant stuns.. They are extreemly tough for a ranger to beat with there high avoidance, high stuns/stifles/ physical damage immunities/ability to cure snare.

[Cocytus]

My 20 swash kills bruisers pretty much with ease. My 70 swash has trouble though. Really, they only become hard for me when they get "close mind".

[LoreLady]

Yea - unfortunatly rangers dont have the stuns or debuffs a swash has.. Otherwise we wouldent be running around like crazy panzys peeing our pants while shootin what we can.

[Rinio]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>I say the exact oposite to the above poster.. Stealth immediatly and stay away from the brawler at all costs, brawlers have point blank AE and taunts that will expose you. Wait 30 seconds before jumping into combat again, the idea is to make them use there 10s invunerability and make them have to cure the snares..<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>how is that the exact opposite? sounds like an addative to me, good idea stealthing till they use  up there invulnerable. </P> <P>but a good Brawler on PvP wont waste that at the begining of combat. these arent duels where you only have 25m to menuver you have the entire zone. so a brawler will wait till that critical moment in combat  when maybe both duelists are low to use it or if he has to run away because a 2nd ranger comes along and starts attacking as well.</P> <P>but uh if you dont use elude, surviel, and stealth constintly in a battle to drop targets in PvP then im sorry your a complete newb. Reguardless of see stealth elude drops there target, I beleive for a set amount of time...so why would you not use it.</P> <P> </P> <P>Best advice I have! Dont hunt alone, find some friends and get afew static groups going learn alittle strategy find your job. Hunt in a group and specialize in blasting Mages and Healers a contant barrage of arrows will inturpt them and use mental breaches to drain away there power.</P><p>Message Edited by RinionX on <span class=date_text>08-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:41 AM</span>

[Rabbit24]

<div></div><p>Run away?<span></span>OMG no KICK THEIR *#@*#&!I can't believe no one has mentioned that we get an unresistable defense debuff. That combined with our agi/def poison which you should have on you at all times and fettering poison can seriously level the playing field a bit. Yes they are a pain in the rear, but they are NOT invincible by a long shot. Just last week I downed an orange bruiser in SS solo. Always keep at max distance, always snare and always keep them debuffed. Since the last expansion defense affects avoidance more then anything so being able to debuff about 50 points of defense levels using poisons and spells can have quite an effect on a class which relies heavily on avoidance and has crappy mitigation.Kite them until they realize they are being kitted then chase them until they are dead. The biggest trick you can play on someone in PvP as a ranger is confusing them into thinking that THEY are hunting YOU. Once they realize what’s going on they become very confused as to what to do and make lots of mistakes.Indecision + Ranger = Dead Target</p><font color="#ccff00">Aeiden 58/59ish Ranger </font><font color="#ff0000">Venekor</font><div></div>

[Merkad]

Actually, Rabbit24, I did mention that ) My exact words were..."Oh, and gracelessness/cover fire/devitalizing arrow in tandem will seriously reduce anyone's avoidance."Which is posted in my first response to this thread further up the page.I do admit to not knowing stealth drops targets in PvP (I knew the evasion/surviel do, as they are deaggroes (still dumb, but whatever) even if they can see it, or is that stealth referring to surviel and not just generic stealth)? Regardless, I do not, and will not, play on a PvP server, so there are some things other people will have to cover. I do duel alot because I like the 1-on-1 and "at their best" aspect of it. And while there may be some differences, there are still things that work the same way.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.