Ideas for future CA v2

[littleman17]

<DIV>After having taken a lookat our CA list, we will slowly start losing upgrades to our skills that raise any attribute by a percent. (Our hate deaggro buff is an example of this) At these points, we should also start getting new skills in their places, below is a list of my ideas for these.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Master's Shot: This attack does high damage and can not be mitigated, evaded, blocked or deflected.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recast: 3 Minutes</DIV> <DIV>Cast Time: 3 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Damage: 6k - 9k</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slicing Arrow: A quick ranged attack that does minor upfront damage and severe damage over time. (honestly... why don't we already have a ranged dot?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recast: 20 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Cast Time: 0.3 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Duration: 6 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Damage: 300-500 and 700-900 every second there after</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Arrow Bomb: Fires an arrow with a bomb attached to it that does medium fire damage to the target and all nearby enemies. Stunns all enemies hit by it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recast: 2 minutes</DIV> <DIV>Cast time: 1 second</DIV> <DIV>Duration: 2 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Damage: 400-700 (aoe)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone else have any logical ideas that fits our class (as in don't try getting us ca that let us do what other classes do)?</DIV>

[Recca[BK]]

masters shotdmg for for master shot is a bit high imo, honestly a shot that cannot miss will more than likely have a lower dmg that most of your current CAs.slicing arrowway too much dmg. 5k every 20 sec is a bit much and that is before debuffs mind you. arrow bomb recast for a that low of dmg should be 45 sec or min max. thats a pretty weak AE at t7.overall i like the ideas though, the dmg on the first needs tweaking and the recast on the third.

[BSbon]

<P>rail gun</P> <P>dmg- 100,000,000 - 1 google</P> <P>recast - .0001 seconds</P> <P>no armor can withstand it. rapid fire and endless ammo. seems a little under powered to me but we dont wanna be nerfed again.</P>

[Crychtonn]

An arrow DoT would be pretty nice especially if the DoT worked with Toxic Expertise like it's suppose to.

[littleman17]

<DIV>Thanks for derailing my thread a bit there Bongo... I said REALISTIC CA... so that the devs can take us seriously for once. Since they seem to be unwillingly to admit or fix what is wrong with us, I say that we give a few ideas on how to do such.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Master's Shot, this is meant to be our ultimate attack on a DECENT timer... we really do need an attack like this, so that we can raise our dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slicing Shot is a bit higher than it really should be, but I was just throwing the idea out there as a rough draft so that SOE could see that we need a ranged dot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, was merely a rough idea, the damage should be increased slightly and the recast lowered, but keep the stun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any ideas on how to polish these ideas by all you CA gurus out there would be greatly appreciated. *bow*</DIV>

[LoreLady]

Simple fix.. Snaring shot to 800-1.2k damage at 480 strReduce vieled fire to 1.5s cast timeReduce miracle shot (whatever its called) - to 1sReduce Devitalizing arrow to 1sReduce culling of the weak to 1sReduce snaring shot to 2.5-3ish sOnly thing that changes here from what I have said in the past - keep tripple volly at 1.5s.Its a simple fix cause damages between assassins/rangers are pretty much the same while casts are not.. Changing these abilities to 1s will keep the dps the same between the two classes, with the diffrence in proc rates/damage will keep damages similar between classes with the 0.5s extra cast times for rangers.

[Recca[BK]]

what no spreadsheet showing how this boost rangers to wher ethey should be shame on you LL. i really cannot take these as viable means to balance since there is no data to back up the claims.and you keep talking about cast times all you want. ranged cast times are longer than melee, thats just the way its gonna be. im sure a wizzy would like their cast times reduced as well. 5 sec for fusion in melee range is long, but they deal with it.

[TaleraRis]

I want a root arrow. I don't care if it's just 4 seconds like the lunge line. I just want a root arrow.

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Recca[BK] wrote:what no spreadsheet showing how this boost rangers to wher ethey should be shame on you LL. i really cannot take these as viable means to balance since there is no data to back up the claims.and you keep talking about cast times all you want. ranged cast times are longer than melee, thats just the way its gonna be. im sure a wizzy would like their cast times reduced as well. 5 sec for fusion in melee range is long, but they deal with it.<hr></blockquote>Ok, you want to talk about cast times and wizards OKKK!!  First off - damages for there cast times are much higher than the damages for our cast times , second off wizards already hold a 2k  dps max, rangers hold a 1.5 dps max. Now, lets look at the wizard abilities Ice nova has a 4s cast time - and does 5k-11k damageSunstrike on a 2s cast time does 3k-6k damage(I may be thinking about ball of lava though)Wizards also have two dots plus protoflame - the two dots will hold there dps around the 400-500 range - unforutnatly I cant give any dps number for protoflameBlah you know what.. forget it, parsings alone hold enough info for me. I dont feel like racking my brain trying to remember the damages of wizards spells that I only play once every few weeks or so. </div>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>Blah blah blah and some more blah blah blah<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Give it a rest LL and stop trying to derail the poor guys thread.  The OP was asking and tossing out some of his own idea's for possible <EM>NEW</EM> skills.  There is a nice 30+ page thread here and another 10+ page one in the Combat forums where you can talk about changing Existing skills to your hearts content.</P> <P> </P> <P>I like the creativeness the OP used in coming up with some possible new skills.  And like I said before I think a ranged DoT skill would be nice.  On that note to the OP, most DoT attacks run the DoT time the same as the recast time.  Instead of ticking every second for 6 seconds it would most likely tick every 4 seconds over the 20 second refresh time.  Not all DoT's work this way but alot do that I've seen.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Crychtonn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> LoreLady wrote: <div>Blah blah blah and some more blah blah blah</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Give it a rest LL and stop trying to derail the poor guys thread.  The OP was asking and tossing out some of his own idea's for possible <em>NEW</em> skills.  There is a nice 30+ page thread here and another 10+ page one in the Combat forums where you can talk about changing Existing skills to your hearts content.<font color="#ff0000"> You forgot the 20 page one as well in the combat fourms LOL <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> - Seriously though, the 10 page one I was just trying to stem the voice of ignorance and hitting the hammer in the same place over and over and over.. Quite fun really! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></p> <p>I like the creativeness the OP used in coming up with some possible new skills.  And like I said before I think a ranged DoT skill would be nice.  On that note to the OP, most DoT attacks run the DoT time the same as the recast time.  Instead of ticking every second for 6 seconds it would most likely tick every 4 seconds over the 20 second refresh time.  Not all DoT's work this way but alot do that I've seen.</p> <p><font color="#ff0000">I'll let my own opinion go on the OP.. Atleast hes throwing idea's forward.</font> </p><hr></blockquote></div>

[Peston]

Hmmm..Add New Skills... or Fix Exsisting ones...Sounds like the same [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing to me in terms of work load.. Hmm or will LoreLady's idea of simply fixing the recast times be slightly easier. <span>:smileysurprised:</span> Although I do agree with a Ranged DOT. <div></div>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Peston wrote:<BR>Hmmm..<BR><BR><BR>Add New Skills... or Fix Exsisting ones...<BR><BR><BR>Sounds like the same [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing to me in terms of work load.. Hmm or will LoreLady's idea of simply fixing the recast times be slightly easier. <SPAN>:smileysurprised:</SPAN><BR><BR><BR>Although I do agree with a Ranged DOT.<BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Going to have to go with Nope not the same thing.  Each expansion has added skills and that is what's coming in a few more months.  Even two out of three of the minor adventure packs have added a new skill.</P> <P>How about a Fae kill shot <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I can already see the thousands and thousands of annoying little Fae running around as soon as the expansion hits.  Someone will need to trim down their numbers before they overrun the servers <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[littleman17]

<DIV>Since no one else is throwing out ideas for new CA, I will try to come up with some more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Follow Up: An attack that does double the damage of the last bow attack used. Can not be used after Sniper's Shot or Master's Shot (if it ever gets made)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Throat Shot: A low damage attack that strikes the enemies throat, stifling them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Drainlo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> littleman17 wrote:<BR> <DIV>After having taken a lookat our CA list, we will slowly start losing upgrades to our skills that raise any attribute by a percent. (Our hate deaggro buff is an example of this) At these points, we should also start getting new skills in their places, below is a list of my ideas for these.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Master's Shot: This attack does high damage and can not be mitigated, evaded, blocked or deflected.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recast: 3 Minutes</DIV> <DIV>Cast Time: 3 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Damage: 6k - 9k</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Slicing Arrow: A quick ranged attack that does minor upfront damage and severe damage over time. (honestly... why don't we already have a ranged dot?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recast: 20 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Cast Time: 0.3 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Duration: 6 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Damage: 300-500 and 700-900 every second there after</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Arrow Bomb: Fires an arrow with a bomb attached to it that does medium fire damage to the target and all nearby enemies. Stunns all enemies hit by it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Recast: 2 minutes</DIV> <DIV>Cast time: 1 second</DIV> <DIV>Duration: 2 seconds</DIV> <DIV>Damage: 400-700 (aoe)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone else have any logical ideas that fits our class (as in don't try getting us ca that let us do what other classes do)?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I really like your ideas! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   they are cool, so SOE will probly never use anyting remotely similar <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>ps. i still really want a melee AE!!!</P><p>Message Edited by Drainlock on <span class=date_text>08-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:41 PM</span>

[LoreLady]

I want a ranged multi hit AA!! WAIT ITS MELEE ONLY!!

[xandez]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Drainlock wrote:<p>ps. i still really want a melee AE!!!</p><hr></blockquote>Go roll a zerker then, asap! <span>:smileywink:</span>Hihih.... ++Xan

[Teksun]

Are we even getting new CA's any time soon? I mean theres no level increase, why new CA's?<div></div>

[Nak]

<div></div>There should be ( not saying there will be) some live event that has some hardcore quest [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thats a complete pain in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to complete which gives you a new CA that does something useful, and if you miss out on the quest the final mobs which should be an x4 contested would also drop 1 of those spells (instead of adept 1 scrolls <span>:smileywink:</span>) when they're killed. idc w/e the new [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] might be if there is any at all, as long as its not an upgrade to the gimptard hawk that siphons 27% aggro instead of 24! <div></div><p>Message Edited by Naku9 on <span class=date_text>08-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:23 AM</span>

[Ibixat]

how about a NPC (the ranger trainer perhaps) who will teach us a RANGED version of our mastery strikes.  I'd buy those for a dollar.<div></div>

[Skua]

http://guildwars.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=12&meid=27lol <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ibixat wrote:<BR>how about a NPC (the ranger trainer perhaps) who will teach us a RANGED version of our mastery strikes.  I'd buy those for a dollar.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I LOVE this idea. 

[Peston]

I was talking about right now. Not the expansion.Didnt realize this was for the expansion. Now I do. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>