Real World DPS as I see it.

[Darkzman]

<DIV>I read the Parsing thread and I have to say I never seen any Ranger parse over 1100 on continuous basis at the T7 lvl in a raid like the LAB. I'm sorry I have seen a Ranger parse 900 I myself still not geared fully up parse 750-810 area.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So dont' be telling me your parseing 1100-1400 in T7, now in T6 yes I can parse that high but not in T7.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Parsing can be tricky also if your not close enough you damage won't parse right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I put little faith in parsing and it causes people to make stupid decisions, A Ranger in my guild was kicked because he wasn't parsing high enough. How I look raids a little different is he following the raid leaders commands is he a team player, then heck who cares if he's parsing only 700 he will get better. I was parsing in the 500's when I joined the guild but new gear and a better bow and weapons and 3 weeks latter I was parsing in the 700's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>DPS is all about gear, weapons, and how you use your combat spells and how often you use them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hopefully when I get better gear and a better bow I can parse 900-1000 thats my goal, but as I said I have not seen a Ranger parse continuously 1100-1400 in T7. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tobias what do you parse?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Darkzman wrote:</P> <P>Tobias what do you parse?</P> <DIV><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>lol.</P> <P>Who'da thunk Tobias would get banned before me.  He was always the quiet one.  Anyway, If he answers, it'll probably be under a pseudonym.<BR></P>

[NovacaineExpre]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkzman wrote:<BR> <DIV>DPS is all about gear, weapons, and how you use your combat spells and how often you use them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Don't forget group set up.  This is why I think some of the numbers peeps are seeing on parses come from.  Per Lockeye's "raw data" parses rangers were hitting 1400+ and well above any other class, but a troubador was hitting 900+???  Even beating a wizard once???   Maybe I have a misconception about Troub's since I have never actually played one, but i have never seen a Troub reach anywhere close to 900 DPS.

[jrisley69]

another major factor in raids is Debuffs, if your guildmembers are debuffing, and doing what they are supposed to on the mob, it is easier to parse in the 1100-1400 range.  as a ranger, in a decent group setup, usually with a chanter and an inquisitor and doing the haste/dps buffs, i parse in that range.  AA's also help.  If your AA's are setup right for maximum dps, then you will parse high as well.  Currently i have my AGI 4/4/4/8/1 and my int line 5/4/4/8 giving me 22% chance criticals on ranged, +2% from MoA, and my proc criticals are now 52%.  with my group setup, usually i'm at 500str, and int is around 150.<div></div>

[Darkzman]

<DIV>Yes, debuffs are very important and my guild does not have a brigand right now but 1400 is awefully high I do see the ocasional 1100-1200 very rare. And this happens when you have all your shots avaiable and the mob is debuffed and you have quick kill most fights are not quick and you normaly have at least 2 mobs to Kill. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also other players who are not going full out can affect your dps by extending the fight out and then you have to run in for some close comabt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Renolas]

<DIV>Well in our current situation there is a huge gap in possible dps of a Ranger based upon gear and masters.... skill also plays a large part of if you dont have upgrades in all departments its gonna be tough to get onto that parse list....</DIV> <DIV>In general on a labs raid ill see numbers as high as 1.6-1.7k on some fights and usually dont drop beleow 1k much at all.... it all depends on the situation and the zone but im pretty used to consistant 1.2-1.3k dps or a little more in certain "harder" zones such as HoS.. im geared up well though and fully mastered which is what allows those types of numbers.... with full t6 and t7 legendary at the beginning of KoS i was seeing 700 and 800s so yea its dependant on gear.</DIV>

[110euph]

<DIV>Once again, just wanna say...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I asked the top ranger in the top guild on my server if ranger DPS sucked and he said he and another ranger always parse in the top 4 on any 24 person raid.  Top guild... no, they're not hunting in Blackburrow.  He said people think rangers stink because we tell them we stink, but they ONLY think that because we tell them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we were a little less negative about our class, folks wouldn't think so negatively of us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>rangers ROCK.</DIV>

[Katsugen]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 110euph wrote:<BR> <DIV>Once again, just wanna say...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I asked the top ranger in the top guild on my server if ranger DPS sucked and he said he and another ranger always parse in the top 4 on any 24 person raid.  Top guild... no, they're not hunting in <FONT color=#ffff00>Blackburrow</FONT>.  He said people think rangers stink because we tell them we stink, but they ONLY think that because we tell them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we were a little less negative about our class, folks wouldn't think so negatively of us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>rangers ROCK.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>And what, may I ask, is so bad about blackburrow rangers!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>j/k of course, I just read it wrong at first, and gave myself a good laugh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Katsugen of Blackburrow<BR></DIV>

[LordAng]

blackburrow rangers are the best kind

[LoreLady]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Darkzman wrote:<div>I read the Parsing thread and I have to say I never seen any Ranger parse over 1100 on continuous basis at the T7 lvl in a raid like the LAB. I'm sorry I have seen a Ranger parse 900 I myself still not geared fully up parse 750-810 area.</div> <div> </div> <div>So dont' be telling me your parseing 1100-1400 in T7, now in T6 yes I can parse that high but not in T7.</div> <div> </div> <div>Parsing can be tricky also if your not close enough you damage won't parse right.</div> <div> </div> <div>I put little faith in parsing and it causes people to make stupid decisions, A Ranger in my guild was kicked because he wasn't parsing high enough. How I look raids a little different is he following the raid leaders commands is he a team player, then heck who cares if he's parsing only 700 he will get better. I was parsing in the 500's when I joined the guild but new gear and a better bow and weapons and 3 weeks latter I was parsing in the 700's.</div> <div> </div> <div>DPS is all about gear, weapons, and how you use your combat spells and how often you use them.</div> <div> </div> <div>Hopefully when I get better gear and a better bow I can parse 900-1000 thats my goal, but as I said I have not seen a Ranger parse continuously 1100-1400 in T7. </div> <div> </div> <div>Tobias what do you parse?</div> <div> </div> <div><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>I think im doing an aoa x2 run tonight and i'll get ya a parse if you like .And I parse pretty high for a ranger (1kish-1.4kish).. But I also do what I call the rangers dance, and this is a VERY exploitive tactic.. From using up all your ranged then jumping in toe to toe with the mob, then jumping in ranged. again. When your doing 500+ auto attack dps it is achievable. But, your not going to get much higher by standard means.I know aoa x2 sounds bad, but fridays are our official offnight.. And afew of us wanted the claymore and the MT grabbed the named before some of us clicked the statue.</div><p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:44 AM</span>

[Jay]

<DIV>[Removed for Content]... as Khalan said, what is it with you and the "ranger dance?" How is it exploitive?? That doesn't even make sense... how is using your ranged attacks AND your melee attacks exploitive? Or even that special or innovative?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry, I'd hope any ranger over level 30 would realize that using only half your skills isn't going to maximize your DPS, but you go on about your 'ranger dance' like it's some ancient Chinese secret that gives you superpowers. LOL, it's a basic ranger tactic, in my book - not an exploit at all. </DIV>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div>[Removed for Content]... as Khalan said, what is it with you and the "ranger dance?" How is it exploitive?? That doesn't even make sense... how is using your ranged attacks AND your melee attacks exploitive? Or even that special or innovative?</div> <div> </div> <div>Sorry, I'd hope any ranger over level 30 would realize that using only half your skills isn't going to maximize your DPS, but you go on about your 'ranger dance' like it's some ancient Chinese secret that gives you superpowers. LOL, it's a basic ranger tactic, in my book - not an exploit at all. </div><hr></blockquote>Because of the delay of a bow.. If ranged and melee attacks are even, then you will get (for the sake of arguement)250 dps, in one or the other..Now, every class out there uses just melee to get 250 dps.. What we are doing, is doubling the auto attack damage by utilizing both to get 500 dps.One of these days sony will adjust this, likely when they adjust rangers. Otherwise, with assassins the way they are.. If they start using the very same tactic, they are going to start hitting 2.5k dps peaks, rather than 2k dps and will completely overshadow wizards. This tactic is open to assassins, but never used. And this is why its exploitive, it turns overpowering.</div>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV>[Removed for Content]... as Khalan said, what is it with you and the "ranger dance?" How is it exploitive?? That doesn't even make sense... how is using your ranged attacks AND your melee attacks exploitive? Or even that special or innovative?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry, I'd hope any ranger over level 30 would realize that using only half your skills isn't going to maximize your DPS, but you go on about your 'ranger dance' like it's some ancient Chinese secret that gives you superpowers. LOL, it's a basic ranger tactic, in my book - not an exploit at all. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Because of the delay of a bow.. If ranged and melee attacks are even, then you will get (for the sake of arguement)250 dps, in one or the other..Now, every class out there uses just melee to get 250 dps.. What we are doing, is doubling the auto attack damage by utilizing both to get 500 dps.<BR><BR>One of these days sony will adjust this, likely when they adjust rangers. Otherwise, with assassins the way they are.. If they start using the very same tactic, they are going to start hitting 2.5k dps peaks, rather than 2k dps and will completely overshadow wizards. This tactic is open to assassins, but never used. And this is why its exploitive, it turns overpowering.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Okay... I'm lost now. This doesn't sound at all like what you were saying originally. How can you use ranged AND melee autoattack simultaneously? Isn't that the only way you could "double" the auto attack damage by utilizing both? We use one or the other, not both - even in the sweet spot, you can't have both methods of autoattack engaged at one time, right? </P> <P>I guess I'm just missing something, but I see no exploits here. Sorry, I just don't understand what you mean at all, but it's not all that important anyway. Carry on!</P> <P> </P>

[Jowita]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>I guess I'm just missing something, but I see no exploits here. Sorry, I just don't understand what you mean at all...</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You're not the only one, Jay.</P> <P> </P> <P>Jowita</P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Flidias wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Jay42 wrote: <div></div> <p>I guess I'm just missing something, but I see no exploits here. Sorry, I just don't understand what you mean at all...</p> <p></p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>You're not the only one, Jay.</p> <p>Jowita</p><hr></blockquote>Bows have a 7 sec delay generally.. You use a bow shot, and inbetween that, you use your melee.. So, you are using both.. You have time between each shot to do so. Were talking auto attack here, not CA's.</div>

[Gareorn]

I wonder if we would get banned for using our uber DPS.

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> LoreLady wrote: <DIV>Bows have a 7 sec delay generally.. You use a bow shot, and inbetween that, you use your melee.. So, you are using both.. You have time between each shot to do so. Were talking auto attack here, not CA's.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No, once you use your ranged auto-attack, it delays ALL auto-attack, you cannot use your melee auto-attack in between ranged auto-attacks.  And if they let you do that, everybody would be able to do it and get an insane amount of dps increase, thus not only leaving rangers behind, but making casters fall behind as well.

[Balerius]

<DIV>Well, I wasn't going to reveal this quite yet, but I achieve my extraordinary dps by using the "Balerius Boogie".  This is a patented technique whereby I move forward slightly to engage in melee autoattack while my bow autoattack timer is refreshing then move back out and activate my ranged autoattack.  So henceforth, anyone who posts about their dps must state whether they are using the "Balerius Boogie".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S.  Use of the "Balerius Boogie" is free for personal use...unless you play on the station exchange server...in which case your cost is $5.00/month (US).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.P.S.  Lorelady:  You will be hearing from my lawyer since your so-called "ranger dance" is nothing but a blatant copying of my highly unique and original intellectual property.</DIV>

[Gareorn]

<DIV>Doh!  I hit the submit button before writing the post...  Sorry for the pre-mature e-postulation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:  Actually I think the "Ranger Dance" is not a copy of the "Balerius Boogie", but rather a modification of my patented "Ranger Dance of Joy" in that it is done with your pants on.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gareorn on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:46 AM</span>

[Stormhawk]

That sounds like a lot of extra work and I'm lazy.  Guess I'll just have to stay at my 1.1 - 1.4k DPS without the "ranger dance". <span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <p></p> <hr> LoreLady wrote: <div>Bows have a 7 sec delay generally.. You use a bow shot, and inbetween that, you use your melee.. So, you are using both.. You have time between each shot to do so. Were talking auto attack here, not CA's. <hr> </div></blockquote>No, once you use your ranged auto-attack, it delays ALL auto-attack, you cannot use your melee auto-attack in between ranged auto-attacks.  And if they let you do that, everybody would be able to do it and get an insane amount of dps increase, thus not only leaving rangers behind, but making casters fall behind as well.<hr></blockquote>Hmmm... I will have to test it out again with a long bow.. Because im using ashortbow, and 1 fabled DW (im in dkp debt atm <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) and a grizzfazzle.. And utilize both, I get a MUCH higher reading than if I just do the sweet spot.. But, then again I got alot of junk all at once. Maybe it IS all in my head?</div>