so if were not officially broke why dont our class skills work

[slicewalker]

<DIV>ok devs stated were not broke i know were broke hell every one knows except the devs we have  3 class skills as rangers wich either dont do the job or are broke so bad u need a full aa line just to make the dumb   [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] stream of arrows work and the [Removed for Content] take birds not even    worth setting the skill on you  bar for fear off wiping groups  if   t dies to early </DIV> <DIV>besides the point we are 1 of the only classes in game that has no real double attack from any  means how we suposed to keep up when a zerker can beat our auto attack on a bow with it and all we get is a lame ca that uses a arrow and only returns a 1/4 of our auto attack dps  at lvl 70 most off our combat arts seam to be from a lvl 40 class   from a damage  potential      </DIV> <DIV>ive totally lost faith in any solution from the developers time to look for a new game it seams i loved my class from 1-60 then soe went and nerfed into oblivion with kos </DIV>

[LoreLady]

When the bird breaks invis when it attacks - needs to be fixed..Stealth breaking as many times as it breaks needs to be changed to incorperate 5s stealthed cast times IMO.(no other class really sees this problem because of duration).I wouldent want a double attack aa.. - To powerfull.And stream of arrows still needs to be looked at to be viable without the use of AA's.

[Drainlo]

stream of arrows doing normal arrow damage would be nicer.    And i agree the attack hawk is stupid, and in my opinion a complete waste, casting time seems way to long for such uselessness......cant even get fun factor out of having an attack hawk when it takes forever n a day to summon.

[Merkad]

For once, at least regarding Hawk Dive, I will have to say the Devs did listen. Don't get me wrong, the skill is worthless and nothing I ever wanted, and they should have ignored that plea. But, man oh man, there sure were alot of folks clamoring about "we want a pet" and "how about a cool little hawk to attack". A swarm pet would have been decent, but was not too likely, and a real pet would have had us with something like what the Druids of EQlive got when they bugged the Devs incessantly (that cute little weak bear).I know everyone has their own opinions on how the class should be, archers, melee'ists, companion pet users, T1 dps et cetera. I also know my own view of them is not the popular one (T2 dps with some utility, 60%melee 40%ranged).As much as I dislike it, we as a collective whole brought that one about. I think that is probably one of the problems of the Ranger, they are perceived in so many ways, the class always ends up fractured.Imo, anyways.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.

[Mirdo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>When the bird breaks invis when it attacks - needs to be fixed..<BR><BR>Stealth breaking as many times as it breaks needs to be changed to incorperate 5s stealthed cast times IMO.(no other class really sees this problem because of duration).<BR><BR>I wouldent want a double attack aa.. - To powerfull.<BR><BR>And stream of arrows still needs to be looked at to be viable without the use of AA's.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Dev's have already stated the Hawk breaking invis. is completely intentional - like it or not I don't think it's changing.</P> <P>M.</P>

[Teksun]

I agree with Stream of Arrows. I rarely use it.I disagree with the hawk. I use it a LOT. It helps with agro (GROUP), does a little DPS and is a welcome addition IMHO.<div></div>

[Drainlo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teksun wrote:<BR>I agree with Stream of Arrows. I rarely use it.<BR><BR>I disagree with the hawk. I use it a LOT. It helps with agro (GROUP), does a little DPS and is a welcome addition IMHO.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> O.o    i used it on a ^^^ mob in a full group once.....mob killed my bird....then killed me.......i do not like the bird.

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mirdo wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> LoreLady wrote:When the bird breaks invis when it attacks - needs to be fixed..Stealth breaking as many times as it breaks needs to be changed to incorperate 5s stealthed cast times IMO.(no other class really sees this problem because of duration).I wouldent want a double attack aa.. - To powerfull.And stream of arrows still needs to be looked at to be viable without the use of AA's. <hr> </blockquote> <p>The Dev's have already stated the Hawk breaking invis. is completely intentional - like it or not I don't think it's changing.</p> <p>M.</p><hr></blockquote>Another thing to add to the [Removed for Content] list.. Why give us an ability that will effectively lower our dps by 300? Yea, I understand theres coding problems with that, but hell theres other ways around it..</div>

[Jayad]

<P>I use the bird when other skills are refreshing.  Think of it as an extremely lame DOT. </P> <P>Hopefully your groups and raids don't need a silly skill like the bird for hate help, but I guess it could happen.</P>

[BSbon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Merkades wrote:<BR>For once, at least regarding Hawk Dive, I will have to say the Devs did listen. Don't get me wrong, the skill is worthless and nothing I ever wanted, and they should have ignored that plea. But, man oh man, there sure were alot of folks clamoring about "we want a pet" and "how about a cool little hawk to attack". A swarm pet would have been decent, but was not too likely, and a real pet would have had us with something like what the Druids of EQlive got when they bugged the Devs incessantly (that cute little weak bear).<BR><BR>I know everyone has their own opinions on how the class should be, archers, melee'ists, companion pet users, T1 dps et cetera. I also know my own view of them is not the popular one (T2 dps with some utility, 60%melee 40%ranged).<BR><BR>As much as I dislike it, we as a collective whole brought that one about. I think that is probably one of the problems of the Ranger, they are perceived in so many ways, the class always ends up fractured.<BR><BR>Imo, anyways.<BR><BR>Merkades, 70th Ranger.<BR>Siege, Najena.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i have a pet tiger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Spite]

I have a pet bird that follows me around. It is the only one i will ever use.

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>Drainlock wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Teksun wrote:I agree with Stream of Arrows. I rarely use it.I disagree with the hawk. I use it a LOT. It helps with agro (GROUP), does a little DPS and is a welcome addition IMHO. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> O.o    i used it on a ^^^ mob in a full group once.....mob killed my bird....then killed me.......i do not like the bird.<hr></blockquote>When I use the bird, I deagro like I did when we were DPS. I've only pulled agro once.</div>

[Merkad]

Honestly, in normal group situations, I don't really care if I pull aggro or not, though, I usually do not unless it is a pick up group. Primal Agility Master 1 is 41% hate loss, it gets pretty hard to pull aggro with that, more so with Evade and Surveillance. The only real exception is if I use Selection and Rain of Arrows and crit back to back plus ranged, sometimes that does it.I don't use the bird, nor Ignorant Bliss deaggro poison. Nor do I see myself doing so anytime soon (unless maybe they add a double attack for the bows with EoF). Obviously, ymmv.Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.<p>Message Edited by Merkades on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 PM</span>