Should Khalan Betray.

[ChaosUndivided]

<DIV>-322 Days Played.</DIV> <DIV>-1st Level 50 Ranger, Butcherblock.</DIV> <DIV>-1st Level 60 Ranger, Worldwide.</DIV> <DIV>-1st Level 70 Ranger, Najena.</DIV> <DIV>-Missing 1 Master Spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should I betray?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/discuss.</DIV>

[LoreLady]

Stick with it, what do you have to loose? If you show up for a raid you should get DKP, we will get fixed its just a matter of time.. Theres to much evidence out there for anyone to ignore.. Wait till the new expansion comes out before making any decissions you will regret later on.Lets look at sonys track record when it has come to ranger changes.LU13 - near when splitpaw came out, DoF came out afew months after that.LU 20 - while beta was in testing.Looks like we get the lucky number 7! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> if there is no change change by then. Then I am moving toooo ummmm.. I dunno yet, I will think about it later..  I will be having the college life in reallife it would be mighty tempting to actually go out and have a fun time than play a class that just bugs me <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ChaosUndivided]

Khalan is retied atm, in our Alt Guild. I'm currently playing my inquis during raids, I swapped Mains since I was getting fed up working my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off every fight and doing lame dps.

[LoreLady]

<blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div>Khalan is retied atm, in our Alt Guild. I'm currently playing my inquis during raids, I swapped Mains since I was getting fed up working my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off every fight and doing lame dps.<hr></blockquote>Thats what it boils down to.. There IS HOPE though.. It just takes sony a while to finalize things (and I understand why)..

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div>Khalan is retied atm, in our Alt Guild. I'm currently playing my inquis during raids, I swapped Mains since I was getting fed up working my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off every fight and doing lame dps.<hr></blockquote>i was no where near as well equiped, and only lvl 60 but it made enough of a difference that i shelved a 70 guard raid MT to play the assassin.. it brought that much fun back to the game for me.in the end its a personal choice.. not many people disagree that assassins do more damage, but in the end it comes down to will you enjoy it.  Equiping an assassin is easier than equiping a Ranger (i feel anyhow) .. even partly equiped and a few weeks of playing the assassin you'll be doing very viable raid level DPS.</div>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div>Khalan is retied atm, in our Alt Guild. I'm currently playing my inquis during raids, I swapped Mains since I was getting fed up working my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off every fight and doing lame dps.<hr></blockquote>i was no where near as well equiped, and only lvl 60 but it made enough of a difference that i shelved a 70 guard raid MT to play the assassin.. it brought that much fun back to the game for me.in the end its a personal choice.. not many people disagree that assassins do more damage, but in the end it comes down to will you enjoy it.  Equiping an assassin is easier than equiping a Ranger (i feel anyhow) .. even partly equiped and a few weeks of playing the assassin you'll be doing very viable raid level DPS.</div><hr></blockquote>I am glad I am not seeing posts about a assassin who is just seeing there level 70 damage to a fully equipped ranger.. Your posts have gotten alot more reasonable from what they have been.. And, I nolonger feel like tearing you a new one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>LoreLady wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>ChaosUndivided wrote:<div></div>Khalan is retied atm, in our Alt Guild. I'm currently playing my inquis during raids, I swapped Mains since I was getting fed up working my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off every fight and doing lame dps.<hr></blockquote>i was no where near as well equiped, and only lvl 60 but it made enough of a difference that i shelved a 70 guard raid MT to play the assassin.. it brought that much fun back to the game for me.in the end its a personal choice.. not many people disagree that assassins do more damage, but in the end it comes down to will you enjoy it.  Equiping an assassin is easier than equiping a Ranger (i feel anyhow) .. even partly equiped and a few weeks of playing the assassin you'll be doing very viable raid level DPS.</div><hr></blockquote>I am glad I am not seeing posts about a assassin who is just seeing there level 70 damage to a fully equipped ranger.. Your posts have gotten alot more reasonable from what they have been.. And, I nolonger feel like tearing you a new one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>thats ok your relying less on made up fairy numbers and have accepted the fact that rangers really arent that far behind assassins and its all in the equipment.you still remind me of a hippy though <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[LoreLady]

<u><b>thats ok your relying less on made up fairy numbers</b></u> and have accepted the fact that rangers really arent that far behind assassins and its all in the equipment.you still remind me of a hippy though <img src="../../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" border="0" height="16" width="16"><hr size="2" width="100%">And now I wanna tear you a new one again. And, I am a hippy. Just a geeky hippy. 4 hours of sleep when you want 8 turns you into a hippy.<div></div>

[Deml]

As someone who knew you a little on Grobb and talked with you a bit there and after you left I'll just say this.  You have to do what you enjoy the best.  That said, my opinion is that no, you should not betray.  Stick with playing your alt if you enjoy that till Rangers are improved.  You have put in WAY too much time on your ranger to throw that all away and have to get all the spells and skills as master's again as an assassin, even if it would be easy for a guild to buy them all for you, it's just not the same.  In the end it's your call and your toon, but my personal opinion is that it would be a very sad day in the ranger community if you betray.<div></div>

[TaleraRis]

Think of it like this. If you betray and then rangers are fixed, you would have to gain all that stuff again, and you know how Najena prices for ranger stuff is. I'd stick it out. <div></div>

[Lexan]

<DIV>Khalan just roll up an assassin, swashbuckler, or brigand [Removed for Content] it dosent take that long.  I am going to guess the only master you dont have  is surviellance <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Lexan]

<DIV>Besides then you can be a hottie female Erudite <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also i forgot to mention im not makeing an assassin until faries come out <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I already have the named saved for the creation aswell..... Skratchet or Skratchette there both saved <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Lexani- on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:14 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<P>Betray!  Haha, I'm so evil.</P> <P>Assassins FTW</P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lexani- wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I already have the named saved for the creation aswell..... Skratchet or Skratchette there both saved <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <P><BR> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes, if you want to have one of the best, those are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good names!

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sirlutt wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> Khalan is retied atm, in our Alt Guild. I'm currently playing my inquis during raids, I swapped Mains since I was getting fed up working my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off every fight and doing lame dps.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i was no where near as well equiped, and only lvl 60 but it made enough of a difference that i shelved a 70 guard raid MT to play the assassin.. it brought that much fun back to the game for me.<BR><BR>in the end its a personal choice.. not many people disagree that assassins do more damage, but in the end it comes down to will you enjoy it.  Equiping an assassin is easier than equiping a Ranger (i feel anyhow) ..<STRONG> even partly equiped and a few weeks of playing the assassin you'll be doing very viable raid level DPS.<BR></STRONG></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>A biker friend of mine once told me something.  </P> <P>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] YOU!  I WOULD RATHER PUSH MY GODAMN HARLEY THEN RIDE A [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ING RICE BURNER.</P> <P>That pretty much paraphrases this debate for me.  And I didn't have to get a tatoo<BR></P>

[Nak]

ask the assassin(s) if he/she would rather have another assassin in the guild instead of a ranger <div></div>

[justright]

I would stay ranger. If you put up this much you seem to be in it for the long run. Face it, cant get much worse than it is now (lord i hope anyway).Thing must and always will change. There will come better days for the ranger class.<div></div>

[Skratttt]

<hr size="2" width="100%">Stay ranger....i honestly beleive that an adjustment will come soon enough...i mean we used to be 4th on the dps charts..........but now we first ..sometimes having to edge out t2 dps classes when they go insane<hr size="2" width="100%"><div></div>

[Lexan]

<P>I still honestly believe they hosed us because of pvp!!!  I still here pvp rangers are doing decent in player vs player situations :/  One thing  to consider is not only is the ranger population dieing but have you noticed the lack of posting rangers?  It seems to me like its been getting smaller and smaller.</P> <P>On a side note on single target mobs my zerker is parseing 900-1209(current high) on the epics in HOS from RANGED ONLY auto attack with a bow...... you all know the mobs im talking about the ones you have to walk up to and turn agro.  I believe there epic x4 lvl 72's.</P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lexani- wrote:<div></div> <p>I still honestly believe they hosed us because of pvp!!!  I still here pvp rangers are doing decent in player vs player situations :/  One thing  to consider is not only is the ranger population dieing but have you noticed the lack of posting rangers?  It seems to me like its been getting smaller and smaller.</p> <p>On a side note on single target mobs my zerker is parseing 900-1209(current high) on the epics in HOS from RANGED ONLY auto attack with a bow...... you all know the mobs im talking about the ones you have to walk up to and turn agro.  I believe there epic x4 lvl 72's.</p><hr></blockquote>But what about brigs? They are near unstoppable in pvp.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

You guys aren't going to get fixed talking about PvP!  That's not where the problem is :smileytongue:

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>MystaSkratch wrote:<div></div>You guys aren't going to get fixed talking about PvP!  That's not where the problem is :smileytongue:<hr></blockquote>Ixany seems to think the pvp influences pve.. (does to a certain extent), but I fail to see the logic or anything sony has done to change that.. The two most overpowering classes in pvp are [Removed for Content] in pve.. Rangers/shadowknights.. and im also goign to add brigands to this list.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

PvP <EM>does</EM> influence PvE.  Only a fool thinks it doesn't.  Too bad it <EM>shouldn't</EM>.

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <DIV>-322 Days Played.</DIV> <DIV>-1st Level 50 Ranger, Butcherblock.</DIV> <DIV>-1st Level 60 Ranger, Worldwide.</DIV> <DIV>-1st Level 70 Ranger, Najena.</DIV> <DIV>-Missing 1 Master Spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should I betray?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/discuss.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Honestly I would hate to see you betray.  To be completely honest when ever I saw you chillin in QH I always did a quick inspect and then remade my wish list of gear i needed to get. :smileywink:

[TwistedFaith]

Dropped my 70 ranger, he was my main and was pretty much decked out in all masters, relic etc.I now play a dirge on raids and have recently started to powerlevel a coercer. Rangers are gimped at the moment in terms of the amount of DPS they bring to a raid when you compare them to something like a assasin or even a brigand.SOE may fix the class, but I doubt it, PVP has destroyed the PVE ranger, one look at the beta boards for PVP was evidence enough in my eyes to see what was coming.

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lexani- wrote:<BR> <DIV>Khalan just roll up an assassin, swashbuckler, or brigand [Removed for Content] it dosent take that long.  I am going to guess the only master you dont have  is surviellance <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>haha Axk, No the only master I'm missing is Shocking Thrust Believe it or not, their was like 5 surveillance on broker over here for a while.</P> <P> </P> <P>Yeah yeah I probably won't betray, too much #()$&# time and etc.</P> <P> </P> <P>Plus knowing SoE, when EoF comes out I will be uber again!</P>

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <P><BR>haha Axk, No the only master I'm missing is Shocking Thrust Believe it or not, their was like 5 surveillance on broker over here for a while.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I actually got that master a few days ago. It dropped off the Keeper of the City Keys in the Al'Afaz instance.  First time I'd seen a ranger master drop, and I won the /random!!  yay me. <BR>

[Jay]

<P>If you betray, I'll think you're a chump. But really, while you've always been one of the preeminent rangers in the game, I never talked to you about WHY you play a ranger. If you play it b/c you really connect with the concept, I'd stick with it. If you play just b/c it looked neat and had some nice DPS, I'd go ahead and make the switch. </P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Yeah yeah I probably won't betray, too much #()$&# time and etc.</P> <P> </P> <P>Plus knowing SoE, when EoF comes out I will be uber again!</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>If you betrayed, you'd get eaten up by this crowd, so it's ok!  But we both know you want to :smileywink:<BR>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Prandtl wrote:<BR> <BR>I actually got that master a few days ago. It dropped off the Keeper of the City Keys in the Al'Afaz instance.  First time I'd seen a ranger master drop, and I won the /random!!  yay me. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's where I got my Stream of Arrows Master!  I got mine for minimum DKP, the other Ranger on the raid didn't want it.</P> <P>It was at lvl 65 when my auto-range started doing more damage than my SoA master.:smileytongue:<BR></P>

[Sirlutt]

do eeeeet!!dooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!especially if your at that stage where you've raided everything .. you've done all the instances.. you've gotten all the loot.. it certainly makes the game "new" again for a little bit while you relearn a new class without having to grind 70 levels.. and at the rate you guys raid you'll be equiped again in about 3 weeks.<div></div>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:do eeeeet!!dooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!especially if your at that stage where you've raided everything .. you've done all the instances.. you've gotten all the loot.. it certainly makes the game "new" again for a little bit while you relearn a new class without having to grind 70 levels.. and at the rate you guys raid you'll be equiped again in about 3 weeks.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ummmm... No, she will already be equipped.. She wont have masters, gears easy to come by.. Masters arent. (remember were talking every master, not just the odd one).</div>

[TaleraRis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sirlutt wrote:<BR>do eeeeet!!<BR><BR>dooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!<BR><BR>especially if your at that stage where you've raided everything .. you've done all the instances.. you've gotten all the loot.. it certainly makes the game "new" again for a little bit while you relearn a new class without having to grind 70 levels.. and at the rate you guys raid you'll be equiped again in about 3 weeks.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ummmm... No, she will already be equipped.. She wont have masters, gears easy to come by.. Masters arent. (remember were talking every master, not just the odd one).<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is also Second Dawn we're talking about, if I'm not mistaken.

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TaleraRis wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sirlutt wrote:<BR>do eeeeet!!<BR><BR>dooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!<BR><BR>especially if your at that stage where you've raided everything .. you've done all the instances.. you've gotten all the loot.. it certainly makes the game "new" again for a little bit while you relearn a new class without having to grind 70 levels.. and at the rate you guys raid you'll be equiped again in about 3 weeks.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ummmm... No, she will already be equipped.. She wont have masters, gears easy to come by.. Masters arent. (remember were talking every master, not just the odd one).<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is also Second Dawn we're talking about, if I'm not mistaken.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah with that raiding guild Khalan would be decked out in all fable and fully mastered in no time.  I was justing saying I would really miss having a really uber ranger to compare myself to.  It nice to come into QH and see that I have atleast something equipped that the uber raiding rangers used.  I'm not saying there isn't other good rangers on Najena but having the SD guild tag you knew that if you inspected them they would have some good stuff equipped.<BR>

[LoreLady]

You dont loose your gear when you betray, just spells.<div></div>

[Ranvarenaya]

I'm all for Khalan staying retired, so I can soak up all the ranger goodies.  Don't betray, keep playing Kazaumi.<div></div>

[Pins]

<DIV>Yes, you should betray because rangers are fine, and there's no way you'll be improved.</DIV>

[arkkon]

<DIV>Lockeye's previous two posts are my favorite ranger quotes of the year. Congrats.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is why devs dont respond to ranger pleas.</DIV> <DIV>1. They have nothing good to say about rangers.</DIV> <DIV>2. Because they have nothing good to say when they respond, they are [Removed for Content], as previously seen.</DIV>

[TofuPatty]

Yesterday I'd have said just roll an alt assassin, the worm turns and nerfs come and nerfs go, abandoning all of that investment in a character because things are on the bad side now might be a mistake you'd regret later on. Today after hearing everything is breezy with rangers and there are no issues at all with them I'd have to say you'd be a fool to betray. /sarcasm off <div></div>

[LoreLady]

Wonder how many people out there will seriously start flopping there responces now that devs have made there position on this.

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>LoreLady wrote:Wonder how many people out there will seriously start flopping there responces now that devs have made there position on this.<hr></blockquote>not me.. my response is the same.. follow the fun.. betray.  You'll enjoy it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Its fine for people to remain loyal to a class ideal.. i had a pally friend that way.. he was a pally through and through and used to complain in vent nightly about how screwed Pallys were and how Guardians got all the love.  I finally told everything he wanted about a class was a guardian, so roll a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] guard and stop trying to change things he cant fix.  Pretend your a warrior of the gods or what ever else but the game mechanics he wanted to play and which made it fun for him were in the guard class.  He's now a happy guard, MTing raids which is what he wanted.the issue is do whats fun for you, dont worry about which class it is, find the set of game mechanics and skills that you find themost fun to play and stop worrying about DPS (unless doing bunches of DPS is the game mechanic that makes it fun for you) .. once you find that set of skills and game mechanics.. play it.. have fun.. if Khalan that "thing" that makes it fun for you is looking at the pasted parses in your raid parse channel and seeing your name high on the list, then betray, if its the idea of makin that mob your own personal pin cushion, then dont.. but do what ever is gonna make the game fun.. no point payin money to do something you hate.. if none of it in EQ2 tickles your fun bone, find something else.  Its all about havin fun.</div>

[TaleraRis]

<blockquote><hr>LoreLady wrote:Wonder how many people out there will seriously start flopping there responces now that devs have made there position on this.<hr></blockquote>Not me. Ranger 4 Life. But I play for the ideal, not the parsings.<div></div>

[USAFJeeper]

<DIV>Dont betray.  Alts are fun.  Every now and then you can pull out the ranger so that new players can see that there once was a class called ranger!</DIV>

[Jayad]

<P>You should if you'll have more fun. </P> <P>I had a mid-50s wizard I never played.  I know from raids that wizards do fine, but I just was bored with wizarding.  I betrayed to a warlock and am having a lot more fun on that char.  Peeling and dying a lot help keeps one humble and attentive. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[KnightOfTheWo]

Sirlutt, I believe you betrayed to Assassin? I was curious as to why. I know that DPS is not really the reason I play, it seems like you play for fun also. Was your Ranger just not fun anymore? If I was an uber raider I'm sure I'd be an Assassin already. But I'm not an uber raider and have no desire to become one. So for me, the soloing, grouping, and occasional raiding Ranger is still a lot of fun. Of course, if you didn't betray, just ignore my pointless post. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[BedlamX]

Rangers are dead: SOE is giving them the slow methodical phase out. Step 1 decrease DPS VIA PROC, Step 2 nerf SoA, Thorney trap, Point blank shot, cheap shot, ect. Step 3 give the rangers a short useless snare in the lunge line to throw them off track. Step 4 ignor everything they are reporting on the forums. Step 5 enrage them with comments such as they are "working as intended" Step 6 Ignor them some more. Step 7 Lock any thread that brings this to light and claim it's crazy that the devs would do such things Step 8 Sit back and watch Rangers roll alts knowing that subs will continue Step 9 make more adjustments That will make the class even weaker. Step 10 Goodbye Ranger I hope I am wrong. Others have made the comment about a reduction in class numbers and forum discussion. LU20 was the begining of the end. PVP is the root of this problem. AA was the excuse for such implimentation to begin, we all remember. After all of that I say retire the ranger roll an assassin. Who knows maybe I am wrong. I dont think I am but who knows. Oh yeah I am sorry for the upcomming lock. I seem to have that effect lately.

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>KnightOfTheWord wrote:Sirlutt, I believe you betrayed to Assassin? I was curious as to why. I know that DPS is not really the reason I play, it seems like you play for fun also. Was your Ranger just not fun anymore? If I was an uber raider I'm sure I'd be an Assassin already. But I'm not an uber raider and have no desire to become one. So for me, the soloing, grouping, and occasional raiding Ranger is still a lot of fun. Of course, if you didn't betray, just ignore my pointless post. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>The reason for me laying down the Ranger is a little silly i guess, but similar to why i stopped my Zerker at lvl 30 and rolled the Ranger.It just didnt feel fun anymore.  I really liked a specific animation that went along with proccing lots.  It had asound and action that reminded me of being in artillery in the millitary and i used to put my last name to "Heavy'Artillery" .. its related to the DPS too i guess, but less so.  I just enjoyed lobbing in big balls of stuff pretty often.  With the proc nerf it became much harder to solo, and i disagreed ALOT with how and why the changes were made.  The real issues at the time was the Ranger offensive stance proccing, and then proccing a poison on top of that quite often.  All that was needed was to limit it to 1 proc per attack of any kind, and set up an order the procs were checked in.  That would have cut Ranger DPs by the 1/3 it needed.Anyhow.. i shelved the ranger because he wasnt as much fun and level'd my Guardian, pretty quickly.  I was lucky enough to land the MT role in a new raiding guild but gave that job up for a friend who is more "into" tanking than i am.. at the same time we realised the new guild could use an assassin so i thought i'd betray and give it a go.The fun is back.. i feel useful again and yeah i do a bunch of DPS and that might be part of why the char is fun, but really its fun like i thought my Zerker was going to be fun back in the day.  I whack stuff ALOT,really fast and look like a madman doing it.. funtimes!so yes, i betrayed and it put the fun back in the game for me because it was what i was after.. i think if your really down with the ranger class and dont have a bunch of ranger only items (like hats and lots of masters) then give it a go..  An Ogre Ranger was fun .. but an Ogre Assassin brings the pain..</div>

[Teksun]

I'll start by saying I will never leave the Ranger class. That is who this toon is and will be until they take away my bow. BUT, if you are CONSIDERING changing, I say DO IT. Maybe if enough switch they will get the point. Maybe if enough switch they will see it's not as fun as it should be. Maybe if enough switch they will sit down and figure out exactly WHAT so many of us are complaining about.If you do though... keep your gear. You can always come back and we will welcome <strike>you backstabbing evil little buggers</strike> with open arms...<div></div>

[Sanju]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lexani- wrote:<div></div> <p>One thing  to consider is not only is the ranger population dieing but have you noticed the lack of posting rangers?  It seems to me like its been getting smaller and smaller.</p><hr></blockquote>Ranger forums: 35320 total messages.Next closest: 15616 total messages (Assassin).Twice as many total posts as the next closest scout, and you generally get more posts per day in the Ranger forum than any of the other scouts (and the third highest total posts behind Guardians and Monks). Compared to Troubador's 9821 (but we're about to catch the Inquisitor forum and push them into last place!).I don't think you guys have much to worry about as far as the forums go -- too many people still want to be Legolas.On topic: heart says stay a Ranger, especially since he's an "alt" now. Head says betray yesterday!</div>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sanju wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Lexani- wrote:<div></div> <p>One thing  to consider is not only is the ranger population dieing but have you noticed the lack of posting rangers?  It seems to me like its been getting smaller and smaller.</p><hr></blockquote>Ranger forums: 35320 total messages.Next closest: 15616 total messages (Assassin).Twice as many total posts as the next closest scout, and you generally get more posts per day in the Ranger forum than any of the other scouts (and the third highest total posts behind Guardians and Monks). Compared to Troubador's 9821 (but we're about to catch the Inquisitor forum and push them into last place!).I don't think you guys have much to worry about as far as the forums go -- too many people still want to be Legolas.On topic: heart says stay a Ranger, especially since he's an "alt" now. Head says betray yesterday!</div><hr></blockquote>Only reason that is, they couldent get it right before LU 13.. Then everyone wanted to be a ranger for the FOTM, and now we have everyone out there speaking out for us.. Its all trial an error, it will get fixed or the diff will be so big its going to mushroom slap sony while they arent looking.</div>

[Gareorn]

<DIV>Agree.  And also don't forget that about half of the people who post in the Ranger forums these days don't play a Ranger.  They just trying to spread some love, I guess.</DIV>

[Peston]

Don't betray man.. things will get better. If they don't... well <insert curse words as long as the grand canyon here to SOE><div></div>

[SmEaGoLLuM]

You newb! Not full masters?! Betray now!<div></div>

[Korb]

<DIV>Don't Betray, roll  up a new one if anything. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[hieronym]

<DIV>betray and become one of them scumbag assassins???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>id rather stick a fork in my eye :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im sure SOE will manage to screw up the other classes in time like normal so our DPS will be on a par again. </DIV>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hieronymus wrote:<BR> <DIV>betray and become one of them scumbag assassins???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>id rather stick a fork in my eye :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im sure SOE will manage to screw up the other classes in time like normal so our DPS will be on a par again.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>On one hand:  I could betray...</P> <P>On the other hand:  I could lick a cheese grater until I have enough tongue for a salad...</P> <P>Tough choice.:smileytongue:</P>

[Ishbu]

Crap I know im a little late but no, you cant betray. Every other ranger in the world can betray but you. That way I can always have at least one person who has "been there, done that" and knows first hand how rangers apply.

[TaleraRis]

<blockquote><hr>BedlamX wrote:Step 3 give the rangers a short useless snare in the lunge line to throw them off track. <hr></blockquote>4 second root, not a snare, and as a soloer I can tell you that even if it's a little short, it's extremely useful. We had no root until 52 before this and having even a short one makes a big difference for my soloing.<div></div>

[LayyZ]

<DIV>rangers../sigh .. doh well .. betray? never.</DIV>

[arkkon]

omg rootbeer. /hug my lil khanda.

[Gyilok]

<P>rangers whined enough before dof and had a blast til kos came out, assassins whined all the way through dof and are having a good time atm, guess whats next with eof</P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gyilok wrote:<BR> <P>rangers whined enough before dof and had a blast til kos came out, assassins whined all the way through dof and are having a good time atm, guess whats next with eof</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You get nerfed!</DIV>

[BedlamX]

<div><blockquote><hr>TaleraRis wrote:<blockquote><hr>BedlamX wrote:Step 3 give the rangers a short useless snare in the lunge line to throw them off track. <hr></blockquote>4 second root, not a snare, and as a soloer I can tell you that even if it's a little short, it's extremely useful. We had no root until 52 before this and having even a short one makes a big difference for my soloing.<div></div><hr></blockquote>ok a useless 4 second root. I have this in adept 3 and it hardly works in KOS these mobs are a little tougher. Anyway SOE has time again stated that Rangers are working as intended. Betray now Rangers are dead. At the very least retire until my point is proven</div>

[jimbrit]

<P>Dont betray roll an alt</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Saihung23]

<P>Chaos...this is how I see it...I have been trying to think of a way to explain it...</P> <P>Thinking of you betraying to Freeport with your Ranger is like thinking of grass being purple or the sky being made of water or the ocean of glass...</P> <P>Its too hard to think of something so alien...as long as I have known you on the boards you have been a ranger.   To think of you in any other way would be alien to me...</P> <P>If you decide to betray, I am sure I will still be thinking of you as ranger, just one that is ranged handicapped <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Do whats fun or means the most to you bro.</P> <P>***edited for silly mistakes***</P><p>Message Edited by Saihung23 on <span class=date_text>08-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:07 AM</span>

[Dragonsviperz]

<P>Come to the Dark side my friend. You will see real damage if you play an assassin! I'm so bad. But, maybe you should keep Khalan a ranger. I mean you have put so much energy into that class. I remember you in BB for like a month or 2. You and Athoz were like the 2 best on that server.</P> <P>Keep Khalan a ranger.  You were one of the best and keep it that way just in case there is some change to make rangers on par with my class (which I do hope happens) some day.</P>

[arkkon]

<DIV>Alza > Tigruz. <3 that.</DIV>