Quick question for everyone.

[LoreLady]

I decided to look at where I was at from the statmods, scratch or another assassin said they had a hard time hitting things ranged. This is what I have for my mods in offensive in my typical str gear when I raid.350 focus413 pierce350 poisoning387 ranged400 slash342 defense380 parryAnyone else noticing a trend like this?

[Domiuk]

<DIV>I think few assasins are going to hit 387 ranged and its simply this that makes a differance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a guardian with 350 ranged on 70+ I will miss fairly requently.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However with crushing at well over 400 I  can hit 100% on the same mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To be honest I am actually quite surprised at how low your ranged attack is and a quick ask around seems to indicate you have about 20 points on an assasin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Frankly at under 400 i start to miss in melee , so an assasin at 370 must be missing a fair bit. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looking at named parsers on the assasin boards about a 5% melee miss rate seems about standard ( of course at a rating of probably 415 ish).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok so how often are you missing with a bow against named opposition at 387 ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LoreLady]

I'll start looking over my miss parings tonight and see whatsup.. I just wanted to know if this was a common factor with everyone.

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR>I decided to look at where I was at from the statmods, scratch or another assassin said they had a hard time hitting things ranged. This is what I have for my mods in offensive in my typical str gear when I raid.<BR><BR>350 focus<BR>413 pierce<BR>350 poisoning<BR>387 ranged<BR>400 slash<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The advantage that rangers have in the ranged stat was the the reason I suggested a damage bonus for us based on the ranged stat a few weeks back.  Its the only stat where we actually are superior, but its only useful for "to hit"</P> <P>How do the stats work?  Base at lvl 70 would be... 350.  So you are essentialy autoattacking as if your skills were lvl 77? Anyone know how this really works?</P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Prandtl wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> LoreLady wrote:I decided to look at where I was at from the statmods, scratch or another assassin said they had a hard time hitting things ranged. This is what I have for my mods in offensive in my typical str gear when I raid.350 focus413 pierce350 poisoning387 ranged400 slash <hr> </blockquote> <p>The advantage that rangers have in the ranged stat was the the reason I suggested a damage bonus for us based on the ranged stat a few weeks back.  Its the only stat where we actually are superior, but its only useful for "to hit"</p> <p>How do the stats work?  Base at lvl 70 would be... 350.  So you are essentialy autoattacking as if your skills were lvl 77? Anyone know how this really works?</p><hr></blockquote>Stats work by a % chance to hit depending on your stat mods for that mob.. Forinstance, if I used two pierce weapons, I wouldh ave a much higher chance to attack than if I used a ranged weapon.. Its not known how much of a %age it effects, just thats how its done..Its a problem in the itemization (although there are items specificcly designed for rings, like the ring of the relictinker that has a +9 ranged mod to it or our class cap)..Im starting to wonder if I should put on my hat i got from the birdie or not.</div>

[Balerius]

<DIV>As far as I can tell, offensive stat mods currently do virtually nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At one time, they were very important.  But several LiveUpdates ago during DoF the entire con system and combat system were changed to make levels the only thing that really matters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do they have some effect?  I suppose, if you have really really low offensive stats (like a mage's piercing skill).  But for a melee class with his offensive weapon skills maxed for his level, whatever effect they have is far far outweighed by the mob's con vs. your con.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So in my opinion, if you're a level 70 melee class, offensive skill stats mods are nothing but eye candy.</DIV>

[Domiuk]

<DIV> <DIV>"So in my opinion, if you're a level 70 melee class, offensive skill stats mods are nothing but eye candy."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1 Your Guessing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 This is the ranger forum and we are specifically discussing ranged attack (noticably lower when buffed), not melee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do not know how hard you hit with your autoattack but I for one hit pretty hard and often , enough that missing a bit would affect my dps very directly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rangers are already stunted by the fact that bows do not generally have the DR rating of a good 2 hander or equivalent DW weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we add in a chance they are doing less damage from autoattack and missing more often.........</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would expect the usual 20-60% of all damage to be by autoattack to be true for rangers and if this is dropping another 20% for using a bow over melee weapons (missing and a lower DR rating ) you suddenly have a big chunk of why rangers may not be doing the damage they should.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you absolutely certain that a very high crush rating for instance isnt much more likely to hit a yellow mob ?  I  think it does make a significant differance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV>

[Wil81115]

<DIV>In Offencive stance(M1)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>focus         350</DIV> <DIV>pierce        397</DIV> <DIV>poisoning   350</DIV> <DIV>ranged       407</DIV> <DIV>slash         395</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>defence     332</DIV> <DIV>parry          370</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>50 aa's</DIV> <DIV>Str 4/4/4/4/1, Agi 4/4/4/5/1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From what I've read Lore Lady we parse very simlar also.. still behind our counterparts  /sigh :smileysad:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Wil81115 on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:53 PM</span>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Domiuk wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>"So in my opinion, if you're a level 70 melee class, offensive skill stats mods are nothing but eye candy."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1 Your Guessing.  <FONT color=#ffff00>I'm not exactly guessing.  But I haven't done a detailed experiment either.  It's more my "gut feel" impression plus feedback from other classes I've discussed this issue with where they reportedly have done some testing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 This is the ranger forum and we are specifically discussing ranged attack (noticably lower when buffed), not melee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do not know how hard you hit with your autoattack but I for one hit pretty hard and often , enough that missing a bit would affect my dps very directly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rangers are already stunted by the fact that bows do not generally have the DR rating of a good 2 hander or equivalent DW weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we add in a chance they are doing less damage from autoattack and missing more often.........</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would expect the usual 20-60% of all damage to be by autoattack to be true for rangers and if this is dropping another 20% for using a bow over melee weapons (missing and a lower DR rating ) you suddenly have a big chunk of why rangers may not be doing the damage they should.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you absolutely certain that a very high crush rating for instance isnt much more likely to hit a yellow mob ?  I  think it does make a significant differance.  <FONT color=#ffff00>Not like it used to</FONT>.</DIV> <DIV><BR> <HR> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Look, I'll stipulate that offensive stat mods probably do <STRONG><EM>something</EM></STRONG>.  I'm just not convinced that minor changes in the amounts (such as a hat with +4 Ranged on it) have a very significant effect.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Now if you're talking about 50 or more points in ranged, such as what we get when we have Focus up, then we might see some kind of noticeable effect.  Even so, I think the actual dps increase that this would result in would be marginal when compared to the overall gap that exists between rangers and assassins.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>But I'm willing to be proven wrong.</FONT><BR></P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>Balerius wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Domiuk wrote: <div> <div>"So in my opinion, if you're a level 70 melee class, offensive skill stats mods are nothing but eye candy."</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>1 Your Guessing.  <font color="#ffff00">I'm not exactly guessing.  But I haven't done a detailed experiment either.  It's more my "gut feel" impression plus feedback from other classes I've discussed this issue with where they reportedly have done some testing.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>2 This is the ranger forum and we are specifically discussing ranged attack (noticably lower when buffed), not melee.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>I do not know how hard you hit with your autoattack but I for one hit pretty hard and often , enough that missing a bit would affect my dps very directly.</div> <div> </div> <div>Rangers are already stunted by the fact that bows do not generally have the DR rating of a good 2 hander or equivalent DW weapons.</div> <div> </div> <div>If we add in a chance they are doing less damage from autoattack and missing more often.........</div> <div> </div> <div>I would expect the usual 20-60% of all damage to be by autoattack to be true for rangers and if this is dropping another 20% for using a bow over melee weapons (missing and a lower DR rating ) you suddenly have a big chunk of why rangers may not be doing the damage they should.</div> <div> </div> <div>Are you absolutely certain that a very high crush rating for instance isnt much more likely to hit a yellow mob ?  I  think it does make a significant differance.  <font color="#ffff00">Not like it used to</font>.</div> <div> <hr> </div></div></blockquote> <p><font color="#ffff00">Look, I'll stipulate that offensive stat mods probably do <strong><em>something</em></strong>.  I'm just not convinced that minor changes in the amounts (such as a hat with +4 Ranged on it) have a very significant effect.</font></p> <p><font color="#ffff00">Now if you're talking about 50 or more points in ranged, such as what we get when we have Focus up, then we might see some kind of noticeable effect.  Even so, I think the actual dps increase that this would result in would be marginal when compared to the overall gap that exists between rangers and assassins.</font></p> <p><font color="#ffff00">But I'm willing to be proven wrong.</font></p><hr></blockquote>Oohh yellow! - Well, I dont think you will see a dps increase per say..  But it plays into your chances to hit etc, remember how it was when you were leveling in kos how mobs would parry you all the time? And think how you play now.. And how your able to hit level 72 mobs with no problem.. Thats the way I look at it anyways, I go for items with stat mobs for that reason.. - If your seeing a 2% miss rate, extra mods probabbly dont make a diff.. But when that expansion comes out and your fighting oranges/reds.. It will come into play bigtime.</div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<DIV>Unbuffed I am:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>401 Piercing</DIV> <DIV>413 Ranged</DIV> <DIV>406 Slashing</DIV>

[Drainlo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady                                my ranger (in offensive also)<BR><BR>350 focus                                    <EM>350</EM><BR>413 pierce                                  <EM> 392<BR></EM>350 poisoning                             <EM>350</EM><BR>387 ranged                                 <EM>401<BR></EM>400 slash                                   <EM>395 </EM><BR><BR>342 defense                               <EM>334</EM><BR>380 parry                                    <EM>394<BR></EM><BR><BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i wonder if there is anyway possible to up the poison skill......<BR>

[USAFJeeper]

<P>Focus                350</P> <P>Piercing             398</P> <P>Poisoning          350</P> <P>Ranged             399</P> <P>Slashed            387</P> <P>fense                 336</P> <P>Parry                355</P> <P>Offensive stance, raid gear, self buffed.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by USAFJeeper on <span class=date_text>07-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:34 PM</span>

[Merkad]

They do help, it is obvious if you go from defensive to offensive, unfortunately, it does require quite the boost to be noticeable.Seeing this thread reminded me of something I have thought was amusing for sometime.. Anyone else notice how many +offensive skill buffs from other classes (such as a Guardian) don't have +Ranged? I am pretty sure they are meant to help the group, yet it seems to be an oversight on ranged combat (surprise surprise). Whether that 20 or whatnot extra skill would be noticeble I cannot say, but hey, I want it cause the others get their primary method. (note, I am not saying I bow 100% of the time, just in case someone reads that into this)Merkades, 70th Ranger.Siege, Najena.