rangers nerfed?

[wayward]

<DIV>ok guys.  i have decided to play my 37 ranger again and  i was told that rangers got nerfed bad and most of them betrayed to assasin.  is all this true and am i waisting my time going back to playing my ranger?  i have a 25 bru and is the ranger better for dps than the bru or can you compare them to each other?  thanx alot</DIV>

[rickfrey29726]

how long have you played your ranger?<div></div>

[Jayad]

<P>We did get nerfed bad but at your level you probably would not have noticed it that much.  (The procs became much more apparent at higher levels and they were what was nerfed)  A ranger should out-dps a bruiser in groups and raids, if you are just talking about dps.  A bruiser brings several other things, though, including being able to tank.  A ranger will do pretty decent damage.  A bruiser and a ranger are different classes.  You would want to pick which to play based on what you want to do - tank with good dps and some utility, or purely dps with standard scout abilities.   I like playing my monk alt (which is similar to a bruiser) but it's very different from playing a scout.</P> <P>You do need to perhaps relearn a few things about how to get the best damage out of your ranger - they have changed.  You have to be pretty pro-active and work hard to get good dps now.</P> <P>I don't think most rangers betrayed to assassins - in fact, I imagine only a few did.  (Although I don't blame them)  Unless you're raiding you shouldn't feel like your ranger comes up short very much.  It's only at the top end raiding guilds where everybody is as good as it gets where you notice a problem. </P>

[wayward]

<DIV>ok thanks alot ill get back to my ranger and see how i do then.  do most rangers do malee dmg or ranged dmg in groups or raids now?</DIV>

[Jayad]

We do far more dps at range.  Most rangers generally will do most or all of their ranged CAs and then go in for melee CAs/autoattacks until they refresh.  This is true in raids as well, except you time it with the AOEs.

[ary]

<P>I saw a thread where one raid leader said he will not invite rangers anymore. They just do nothing if they cannot damage as well. You will have to also spend a lot of money for that damage.</P> <P>If raiding is important to you then perhaps you should think of another class.</P> <P>However if you are like me who enjoy a class and am not worried about what happens when I reach the raiding bit then do what I do play what you enjoy. I love the ranger class because it is so different from any other class out there. I suppose if I cannot raid come higher levels because no one wants me I will think about what to do then. The thing is from 1-70 I cannot imagine playing an assassin. For me personally I do not speak for anyone else I love the style the ranger brings and in spite of the fact that even my Fury can solo better then my ranger I still enjoy the way you have to play the ranger. The ranger is not like a bruiser or a tank class or Fury for that matter everything you do is different. Other classes tend to be similar but a ranger is not., it is unique.</P> <P>If raiding is the be it and end all for you then you will be constantly unhappy playing a class many have said they do not want in guilds or raids. However in my experience you will always find people who like you and want you irrespective of what class you are. Like they may enjoy your wit or your presence in raids and people invite you because they are your friends.If you have that then don't worry play the class you enjoy.</P><p>Message Edited by aryel on <span class=date_text>07-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:14 AM</span>

[Jay]

<P>It's kinda telling when rangers are being compared to bruisers regarding DPS potential. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<DIV>Think we have it bad?  Think our class is broken?  Think that classes in EQ2 are out of balance?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Believe me, it could be a LOT worse:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19" target=_blank>http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19</A></DIV>

[TofuPatty]

Sad thing is - I've played a ranger since release of EQ2 and if betrayal to a swashie or brigand was an option, I'd do it in a heartbeat. <div></div>

[Jay]

<DIV>Yeah. If I could betray to Brigand, I'd be very conflicted right now. I'm a ranger to the core...but I'm ashamed to admit that what Sirlutt said the other day about 'how good it is to feel useful again' kinda got me thinking. I don't really want to be an assassin, I want to be ranger...but I want to be useful, too. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At this point I'm just weighing which I want more - to play a class that I identify with (despite its problems) or to play a class that I know is effective and useful. It'll probably blow over, but I have to admit, it's getting tougher being sub-par DPS and zero utility.</DIV>

[Teksun]

Kaeros, Kaeros, Kaeros... It's called an ALT. I thoroughly enjoy my 32 Sashy... but he will NEVER replace Tex...<div></div>

[Quillian Feetfa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yeah. If I could betray to Brigand, I'd be very conflicted right now. I'm a ranger to the core...but I'm ashamed to admit that what Sirlutt said the other day about 'how good it is to feel useful again' kinda got me thinking. I don't really want to be an assassin, I want to be ranger...but I want to be useful, too.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>At this point I'm just weighing which I want more - to play a class that I identify with (despite its problems) or to play a class that I know is effective and useful. It'll probably blow over, but I have to admit, it's getting tougher being sub-par DPS and zero utility.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This is the very reason that I quit playing my Ranger.  I feel so useless without being able to really help out.  Plus the cost of the arrows/poison needed to get the proper damage for my tier just got to be too much.</P> <P>Several of my friends were saying they needed a Tank to group with them, so I have actually started a Berserker as an alt.  He's only level 10 so far, but I've had a little fun with him so far.  I haven't tried a group situation, so I don't know how well I can hold the aggro, but that  will come as a I play him some more.  I did have to choose a Kerra for his Race though!  I can't stand the Infravision of the elves and I like the Sonic vision for night vision.  I never have to have a torch!<BR></P>

[Deml]

<DIV>I don't think they will let Kaeros have any more alts.  He's clogging up the character storage space they allow as it is now.</DIV>

[Bledso]

<P>I play a Ranger for the fun factor - and will stay a Ranger as my main.</P> <P>I made a Fury for fun and am enjoying that immensly.  </P> <P>if I decide to raid I will more than likely go Dirge or Troubador.</P> <P> </P>

[Nak]

Pre LU 13 rangers were worse then the suck....13-20? was the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].... 21+ isn';t as bad as pre lu13, they're decent but not essential and easily easily replaced by more needed classes for most guilds 13-20 #1, 21+ #2. pre 13 #3 <div></div>

[Jayad]

<DIV>I have several alts (warden, warlock, necro, monk) which I play regularly, levels 45-70.  The sad thing is the warlock and necro will both be able to beat my ranger's dps at 70 with adept3s (versus my ranger having masters).  The monk will probably be close. </DIV>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demlar wrote:<BR> <DIV>I don't think they will let Kaeros have any more alts.  He's clogging up the character storage space they allow as it is now.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It's true. And surprisingly enough, I don't earn extra slots for being so handsome and charming.</P> <P>But yeah, I already have nine alts, three of which get played seriously. The bruiser is up to 55, he's my 'other' main these days, and I'll tell ya, it's nice playing an effective class. I can tank damned well, and can put out some noticeable damage when I go offensive. Half the time I tank in offensive stance anyway, just to make my girlfriend's life a bit more interesting (she's the healer, a warden). I made a brigand with my brother and another friend, and am loving that class so far, though the temptation to leave them behind and level him up like mad is a little too much. </P> <P>Back to the point...I don't seriously think it'll ever get so bad that I choose to abandon the ranger class and go assassin, but I have to admit that the appeal of being more effective in groups and raids is tempting. <BR></P><p>Message Edited by Jay42 on <span class=date_text>07-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:28 PM</span>

[Jayad]

<P>I'm really shocked at how well my monk can tank with the proper gear.  He's level 50 now.  And they do pretty good dps, like the bruiser.  I don't doubt that at the higher level plate mitigation is better but dang.  I have more group aggro problems than anything else.</P> <P>Sorry to digress from ranger nerf talk but I'm tired of repeating myself <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Korb]

<blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Back to the point...I don't seriously think it'll ever get so bad that I choose to abandon the ranger class and go assassin, but I have to admit that the appeal of being more effective in groups and raids is tempting.</p><p>Message Edited by Jay42 on <span class="date_text">07-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:28 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>After having shelved my Ranger (only 43) for some time now and moving my Necro up as my main (only 52), I've decided to start the betrayal process. My home is now the Haven (which I actually kind of like! Everything in once nice zone). I only have two master's, and a lot of apprentice's, so this may end up being an upgrade.I really really really enjoyed my ranger, but now that I'm grouping almost all the time, I really want to bring something to the group besides ok damage. I've been torn over doing this since they released the new betrayal process, which would of been a no brainer if I could choose a brigand.<p>Message Edited by Korben on <span class=date_text>07-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:09 PM</span>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> <P>I'm really shocked at how well my monk can tank with the proper gear.  He's level 50 now.  And they do pretty good dps, like the bruiser.  I don't doubt that at the higher level plate mitigation is better but dang.  I have more group aggro problems than anything else.</P> <P>Sorry to digress from ranger nerf talk but I'm tired of repeating myself <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, there is only so much we can complain about after a while. LOL</P> <P>My bruiser was born and bred to MT and has been kitted as such. He's good in that role (55 now); I rarely ever lose aggro on single targets, but you're right, group aggro is the weak spot for brawlers. But with my Roughousing line at Master II and my two blue AEs at Adept III, I find that spazzing out on the whole encounter after my initial group taunt definitely helps. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>And mitigation? Pfffft. I can have plate-tank mit AND my 60% avoidance for 30 seconds if I want it. Heh! Granted, I'm stunned while I do so, but brawlers can taunt while stunned anyway, so what more do you need? Throw in Stone Deaf (absorbs next 3 incoming big hits) and your 36% self-heal and you're a hell of a lot tougher than anyone expects a brawler to be. I live for those moments when my health actually dives into the yellow or orange, so I can start pulling out the stops and actually use all those defensive buffs. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </P> <P>Wait til you get Tsumami on your monk - it's your 55 Ancient Teachings, and if I remember from my g/f having it, I think it ignores all incoming damage for 10 seconds. Very tasty.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Jayad]

<P>Yeah, I envy the bruiser buff!  But it equals out.  Not sure I'm looking forward to KOS, though, where I think the plate tanks start having an advantage.  For normal grouping I don't think I'll have an issue.  We just play them once a week (my brother plays a defiler) and get 2 levels in 2-3 hours.</P> <P>p.s. I finally saw a master1 Reclaimed Arrows for sale on our server.  I didn't spend any time thinking about it but bought it for 12 plat.  It's the first one I've seen in like 2 months.</P>

[LoreLady]

<div><blockquote><hr>wayward wrote:<div>ok guys.  i have decided to play my 37 ranger again and  i was told that rangers got nerfed bad and most of them betrayed to assasin.  is all this true and am i waisting my time going back to playing my ranger?  i have a 25 bru and is the ranger better for dps than the bru or can you compare them to each other?  thanx alot</div><hr></blockquote>We are, but you dont see the diffrences till your level 60-70</div>