Its done ..

[Sirlutt]

I'm an assassin and its fun again !see you guys round.. thanks for the fun times <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Saihung23]

<P>Why does it smell like cabbage in here...?</P> <P>OHHH!!  Have fun on the dark side Sirlutt!!</P> <P>Seriously, have fun, come back and say hi, I know you still have good adventuring advice and a great attitude that new players can benefit from...so dont make yourself scarce....</P> <P>Have fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>P.S. Try to get those freeporters to bathe every now and agian lol</P>

[Dragonsviperz]

<DIV>Welcome young assassin to the Dark Side...*evil laugh*</DIV>

[leafnin]

<P>Good Luck with the Sin!  Personally I just rolled an ALT to raid with...My Ranger is a great challenge to really see what I can and can not do.  Yes there are some limitations that I just can not break, but it's always nice to hear. " How the hell did you do that?!"  from time to time <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Later /wave</P> <P> </P> <P>Falcon</P>

[Teksun]

Have fun in the haunted mansion... I still think you'll be back, that's the beauty of the new system though, change as often as you like/can afford <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Jayad]

After you get geared, let us know the difference, if any.  Perhaps it's less positive than I might think, but I expect afterwards that you will like it.

[Nak]

lololololololololololololols @ tigruz's sig <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[Lightomen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naku9 wrote:<BR>lololololololololololololols @ tigruz's sig <SPAN>:smileytongue:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>What's even funnier, is the best raiding guild on EQ2 has replaced a Ranger with an assassin.:smileysad:</P> <P>/sarcasm</P>

[Teksun]

Neat question.... Waht happens to relic armor once you betray?<div></div>

[Marcuzs]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teksun wrote:<BR>Neat question.... Waht happens to relic armor once you betray?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It gets vendored

[Sirlutt]

yeah anything class specific is gone .. i had no relic.. no class specific loot of any kind.. hadnt done my hat or anything yet..Since betraying i dusted off my parser and I am concistently at the top.. last night i as a 60 Assassin was neck and neck with a 64 Conj and a 63 Wizard.  I'm still learning and 75% of my spells are adept 1 .. the rest are app 1 or app 2.  Working on making adept 3 of anything 57+ and assassin masters are alot cheaper than Ranger masters.  So far i am extremely happy with my choice although it is a diff style of play .. i find i have to position myself alot more and a tank who doesnt rotate the mobs right, or keeps floppin them about is annoying..agro is alot easier to control too.. although i dont have the 41% hate reduction like rangers do.<div></div>

[Jay]

See ya.

[Jayad]

<P>hate transfer beats aggro reduction in almost any group.  The only time it is not is when you are transferring to a non-tank in a dps raid group or such, and when 2 assassins are in the group.  Also much more useful in a raid.  The last one assassins get is 26% at adept3 (!), for a net 52% effective reduce versus your transferee if they are a MT.   Which is better than our 39% reducer at adept3.</P> <P>It's too bad you weren't 70, I would love to see an apples-to-apples comparison of the same player playing both classes with relatively similar gear. </P> <P>Devs, it's obvious rangers are behind the curve.  Can we just admit it already and look at some fixes?</P>

[Sirlutt]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:<div></div> <p>hate transfer beats aggro reduction in almost any group.  The only time it is not is when you are transferring to a non-tank in a dps raid group or such, and when 2 assassins are in the group.  Also much more useful in a raid.  The last one assassins get is 26% at adept3 (!), for a net 52% effective reduce versus your transferee if they are a MT.   Which is better than our 39% reducer at adept3.</p> <p>It's too bad you weren't 70, I would love to see an apples-to-apples comparison of the same player playing both classes with relatively similar gear. </p> <p>Devs, it's obvious rangers are behind the curve.  Can we just admit it already and look at some fixes?</p><hr></blockquote>well i can give apples to apples at 60 .. and the apples say my assassin with adept 1's parses better than my ranger with mostly adept 1's and a few big damage adept 3's .. same weapons .. arrows.. and gear.. the parti love the most is i am positive i do more auto attack damage now ..</div>

[Carna]

<P>Done... better... cheaper.</P> <P>Good luck chaps.</P>

[Jayad]

<P>I don't suppose you saved your parses/logs from then.  I would be interested in seeing the top 10 dps contributors.   I know them for rangers but not assassins and the direct comparisons would be very useful.</P> <P>p.s. does it factor in the mark damage in the parser?</P> <P>If anybody else has betrayed and saved them and is using roughly the same gear, can you post a breakdown?</P>

[Peloton]

<P>Can I have your stuff?.........................no wait wrong response.</P> <P>Good luck in FP,</P>

[Marcuzs]

<DIV>I never considered my Rangers fun factor to be the problem. No matter what they have done to us I have always considered my Ranger the funnest class I've played.</DIV>

[Carna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Marcuzs wrote:<BR> <DIV>I never considered my Rangers fun factor to be the problem. No matter what they have done to us I have always considered my Ranger the funnest class I've played.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I really enjoyed playing a Ranger too. For me it was simply the cost of arrows not a desperate need to be #1 on parses.