AA DPS

[hieronym]

<DIV> <P>Anyone happen to know the rough DPS increase when you max out your STR and AGI lines? </P> <P>Having 47 I have maxxed out AGI first then added 8 STR and a few int and STA for the time being until i get full points and respec but a fellow guild ranger with maximum AA points in STR and AGI seems to out dps me nearly every fight by roughly 150-200 where before we always used to be neck and neck. Example in lyceem if all my CA's are up and I get lucky with procs/poison and crits i can do around 1000 DPS but then due to quick pulls it usally falls down to between 600-800</P> <P>I'm missing a few key masters for rain and veiled but im hoping its the AA lines causing the lower DPS and not me sucking :smileymad:</P> <P> </P> <P>anyone know or care to guess :smileyhappy:</P></DIV>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>hieronymus wrote:<DIV><P>Anyone happen to know the rough DPS increase when you max out your STR and AGI lines? </P><P>Having 47 I have maxxed out AGI first then added 8 STR and a few int and STA for the time being until i get full points and respec but a fellow guild ranger with maximum AA points in STR and AGI seems to out dps me nearly every fight by roughly 150-200 where before we always used to be neck and neck. Example in lyceem if all my CA's are up and I get lucky with procs/poison and crits i can do around 1000 DPS but then due to quick pulls it usally falls down to between 600-800</P><P>I'm missing a few key masters for rain and veiled but im hoping its the AA lines causing the lower DPS and not me sucking :smileymad:</P><P> </P><P>anyone know or care to guess :smileyhappy:</P></DIV><hr></blockquote>Really dont know, i've gone with the standard agility line (Max Crits and Poise) and thrown the rest into maxxing posion procs.I never touched the str line, I may try it but it seems more geared towards Assasins than us really.

[Ranja]

There is a post by Tobias floating around here that says he gets the best dps with Poise and Perfectionist. So that is the last AA in each of the str and agi line. He went five points in Agi crit and 4 points in Str crit so he could have both the final lines. He has done some testing and I beleive this combo got him the highest DPS. I am also thinking of going this line as well.

[LoreLady]

A rough estimate - my dps went from 600-800 without aa's. To about 1k+ with poise.

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>LoreLady wrote:A rough estimate - my dps went from 600-800 without aa's. To about 1k+ with poise.<hr></blockquote>1k+ in how long a fight (15 secs? 3mins?)Saying you jumped from 600-800 to over 1k+ without saying what fights you are parsing.Not sure how poise would cause such a jump, granted on short fights when used with focus it's nice burst dps, but on longer fights it means nothing.

[LoreLady]

I'll hold 950-1k dps on a 5 min fight on raids. Typical groups its easy to spike it to 2k - and hold 1.4k due to short term fights and downtime between pulls. Its all about who does what, and when everyone does what.

[Fennir]

when i got wurm destroyer bow, i respecced to max out ranged crit and melee crit with poisethat vs. poise+perfectionist is really debatable but my new spec seems to fit me ok for now... both are equally viable imo<div></div>

[jrisley69]

When i did my AA's i did str line 4/4/4/8  Agi line 4/4/4/8/8 and then i just kinda threw 1 into int.   I've set mine up so that my casting times are reduced 35%, i didnt even mess with the 8 for the last one in strenght line cuz in reality it only effects 2 CA's, sniper and rain of arrow's.  Now these are decent spells to have upgraded but i find that you totally make up for the loss in damage from these with your full upgrades to critical chances.  Especially ranged.  at a full 8 points, ranged critical is at 22% + mark of the awakened + raid buffs, you can be crit'ing at almost 30%.  That's like Quick shot from your offensive stance.  I threw them into melee too which i forgot the critical chance, think it was 14-15% at 8.  But a good ranger knows that he can't rely on ranged alone, gotta throw in some of our melee in too.   I also spam my Focus Fire which increases critical like 30-40% + whatever your at now, then increases dps and haste.  So for about 10 sec, i'm close to 100%dps 100% haste with a chance to critical on anywhere from 50-70% of my shots.  This includes CA's.  THis allows me to knock out close to 20k in damage in like 10sec including procs, poisons etc.  This is how i do it, if you have your own way, by all means you don't have switch.  <div></div>

[Moncreat]

<P>You all must be buffed out the waazoo to be getting your 800 - 1000 dps during raids.  With maxed str, maxed agi and every other kind of buff there is.  All fabled gear and all masters.   I don't mean this as a cut in any way.   I have legendary gear, several masters and the others are adept 3's.  I rarely see above 600 dps on raids.  Maybe it is the way the raid leader sets up groups.  I don't just shoot arrows, I do the arrow line then in for melee (on mobs that you can go in to melee)  I do all the self buffs with focus aim and such.  </P> <P>I am just curious with these people that keep talking about thier 1000 dps if they might mention the gear they have, whether or not they are maxed in str and agi and int, the way they fight and such.  I am sure there are a bunch of us that would like to learn about these things as we struggle to get that 1K dps that so many talk about. </P> <P>I have played a ranger since the beginning of RPGs and in each game have become a very good ranger, yet I have not figured out how to get this "1K dps" that several tell us about on these boards.  Enlighten us please.</P>

[jrisley69]

well, i would have to say a lot of it involves the Debuffs.  The guild i raid with is very good at debuffing the mob.  Also i'm not full decked out in fabled.  When i first joined the guild i was in the pretty decent end of Legendary.  Stuff that everyone could get from the instances, PoA, den, BSS, HoF, etc.  i guess the way i set my guy up was i'd have about 350+ in str/agi/sta.  My int and wis were below 50.  I wasn't uber or anything, i've got about 7masters and 7 adept3's.   Now i have a couple of fabled pieces.  The bow i use is Sinew wrapped longbow which i was lucky and won in a raid.  20agi/20str 100hp 100power, like 93damage rating and does a 7% chance to proc a 200-300DD.  It's a legendary bow, not fabled.  When i'm in a group, the raidleader usually is good at putting me in the melee dps group with the utility classes that boost my stats accordingly.  So yea, i would say a lot deals with the type of raid situation your in and the type of debuffs that are used on the mob.  I can still hold my own though in a regular group situation, and since joining that guild have upgraded my gear now to where i'm about 420+ in agi/str self buffed.<div></div>

[Moncreat]

<DIV>Thank you Jaiden, that atleast gives me some ideas.  I always see people talk about the high dps they get but never how others can acheive that.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If any others have more to contribute please do.</DIV>

[hieronym]

<DIV>what gets to me back when rangers were number 1 DPS I could do the same DPS fight after fight after fight but now I can do 1k one fight, 600 the next and then 800 the next, it must be down to ranged crit im guessing which totally annoys me as we shouldnt be dependant on crit chances to bring our DPS to where it should be as standard. Anyways think im gonna do a respec when the server comes back up and go for max STR and then fill up AGI as much as i can. </DIV>

[TwistedFaith]

<blockquote><hr>Moncreathe wrote:<DIV>Thank you Jaiden, that atleast gives me some ideas.  I always see people talk about the high dps they get but never how others can acheive that.  </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>If any others have more to contribute please do.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Look for classes that will boost your DPS/HASTE mob such as illusionists etc.Other classes can also put procs on you, the conjuer flaming ember or something like that is a insane dmg proc.Dirges are also pretty nice for numerous buffs though most are too rare to be spread out into dps groups.If you raid with a brigand, make sure he calls dispatch etc then hot focus and go fire off as many CA's as you have.

[TerriBlades]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moncreathe wrote:<BR> <P>You all must be buffed out the waazoo to be getting your 800 - 1000 dps during raids.  With maxed str, maxed agi and every other kind of buff there is.  All fabled gear and all masters.   I don't mean this as a cut in any way.   I have legendary gear, several masters and the others are adept 3's.  I rarely see above 600 dps on raids.  Maybe it is the way the raid leader sets up groups.  I don't just shoot arrows, I do the arrow line then in for melee (on mobs that you can go in to melee)  I do all the self buffs with focus aim and such.  </P> <P>I am just curious with these people that keep talking about thier 1000 dps if they might mention the gear they have, whether or not they are maxed in str and agi and int, the way they fight and such.  I am sure there are a bunch of us that would like to learn about these things as we struggle to get that 1K dps that so many talk about. </P> <P>I have played a ranger since the beginning of RPGs and in each game have become a very good ranger, yet I have not figured out how to get this "1K dps" that several tell us about on these boards.  Enlighten us please.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>1K in dps is NOT that hard for a ranger, but you wont get that from just standing at max range and firing your bow. Its quite easy for a welll geared ranger to hit 1200, on occassion.. and upwards of 1400 witha brigand at the raid, but you really have to want to max out your DPS.. it requires work.. jousting with your melee skills.. But then again, Ive got some very nice gear, mostly masters, but thats part of the "work" mentioned above.</P> <P>Nesse</P> <P>70 Ranger / Dirty Dozen</P> <P>Oasis<BR></P>

[Jayad]

<DIV>After you max out STR and get all adept3s and start getting masters, it really comes down to buffs, procs and debuffs.  You want gear that procs and you need classes (brigands) to debuff the raid mobs.  It's important to get +DPS buffs and procs of all types because that makes a significant difference.  You will usually be close to 100% haste on a raid.  Make sure the brigand calls out their debuff and time your focus cycle with big damage hits at that point, as somebody already mentioned.  If at all possible get a 90+ DR bow.  (I don't have one yet myself but I can break 1k dps regularly on raid bosses)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unfortunately I think other classes are starting to get all the buffs/procs because raid leaders don't see us as the best place to put them anymore.  Why buff a ranger when you can buff a rogue or assassin and get more bang for the buck?  (or a zerker, monk, bruiser for that matter)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Poise does help with overall dps because you get back the reduction in terms of total casting time in your cycle if the fight is long enough.  i.e. T(total) = T(cast) + T(recast).   T(cast) = T(cast)*.70 or whatever so it helps a bit.  You also get more focus arts in. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Use your self-DPS buff (killing instinct) before starting your major damage cycle and before focus.  Stack the benefits of +DPS from it and the +critical and haste.  Yes it will overlap +DPS but the crits add.</DIV>

[hieronym]

<DIV>after killing everything (even 1 grouping a lvl 72x4 epic lol and winning :smileytongue: )  and running round like a ranger possessed for disco xp in the new adventure zone i have now got my AA up to poise and perfection so will now see what happens when we go raiding. Fingers crossed :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Kala Asuras]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:<div></div><div>Use your self-DPS buff (killing instinct) before starting your major damage cycle and before focus. </div><hr></blockquote>I personaly do not use killing instinct before my major damage cycle if by that you mean focus aim, dehibilitating, tripple, culling, and amazing.  The +DPS only effects autoattack so with two fabled DW weapons i get more bang for my buck by using Killing Instinct after i've fired off my ranged arts and are in at melee range.</div>

[Teksun]

I personally only use Killing Instinct on RAIDS when I am oom and need to burn as much DPS as I can... I KNOW I'm wrong, but thats the only time I really think of using it, LOL<div></div>

[Moncreat]

<P>Okay, thank you for all the responses and doing them in a non-belittling way.  From what I have seen there are several things to consider for a ranger to get this high DPS ( remember Blackguard talked about rangers getting up to 4K dps before they did the ranger adjusting...lol)</P> <P>1)       Proper grouping in raid events to get the max dps from the ranger.</P> <P>2)       Good gear.  Gear that is found in raid situations or bought.  I do pick up raids and our guild is starting to do some raiding in zones with some of this gear but have a long way to go to get the max str and agi that is needed.</P> <P>3)        Using the right combination of self buffs, raid debuffs, raid buffs at the right times and in right groups, and the right combinations of buffs and CA's to max out the possibilities of crits.</P> <P>As has been said it takes work.  That is what I am striving for and I work at it constantly.  I have always known that better gear makes for a more capable ranger and I mean that in that if you work at it with better gear you will get better results than if you have not as good gear.</P> <P>Thank you again for all the responses.  This gives me some great info to continue to growth of my ranger to make it the best it can be.</P> <P> </P> <P>Moncreathe Vordance</P> <P>70 Ranger of Mistmoore</P> <P> </P>

[Jayad]

<P>On gear, if you do the instances in KOS and some of the claymore quest lines, you will be able to max out STR pretty quickly.  You don't need fabled gear to do it, but of course raid drops are better because they have more.</P> <P>I like Killing Instinct with Focus because the +ranged adds together but it makes perfect sense to use them at different times.  In the early days I thought Focus didn't add DPS and I guess the habit just stuck. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>lol funny how the devs can see the Rangers doing 4k dps, but couldn't figure out that we would drop by 60% after their nerf. Selective parsing.</P>

[mik]

To the stats: currently i have 485 str and agi and will cap it in the near future (currently looking for chain coif from Hurricanus <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ). The only viable alternative to getting end skills from str and agi lines is to maximise  ranged crit chance. I did it but didnt notice any increase in crit hits so i abandoned it. I also have 66% self-buffed haste. With this setup and all ranged CAs masters (except amazing shot) you can make good raid dps even without buffers. ~ Tesei 70 Ranger / 70 Jeweler, Defiant (RE) <div></div>

[Rydiane]

<DIV>This is what I usually do on a standard 2-3 mob trash pull in lab/lyceum/whatever.  Your mileage may vary <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Start at close range with Cover Fire and Vines (yes, they really do make a difference, even if small <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Immediately use Mortal Reminder while at close range (I used to completely ignore this skill, and shouldn't.  Half a second cast time, and gives you pretty much 2-3k free dps while you're doing your other stuff. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Use Longblade > Rangers Blade (one, to get that recast timer on it going so I can use it twice per fight. Two, to make sure I'm positioned correctly behind the mob.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Back out to ranged and start the ranged CA Chain:  Killing Instinct+Focus Fire > Devitalizing Arrow > Rain of Arrows > Triple Volley > Amazing Shot > Confounding Arrow.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Longblade (or surveil if mob AEs and must be at range) > Veiled Fire</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At this point, I use melee CAs until Mortal Reminder repops (if it hasn't already).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mortal Reminder, then back into Stream of Arrows while waiting for the Range CAs to repop.  (Yes, Stream sucks now, but with Mortal Reminder ticking along with it, along with poison/quick shot procs, you're still pumping out respectable dps while waiting on your big hitters to recycle).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rinse, repeat, sniper thrown in on bosses when available. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This consistantly gets me ranked anywhere from 1-5ish on dps parses, depending on the speed of pulls and availability of CAs when the fight starts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rahmn]

Since i respeced to poise and perfectionist, I have seen my raid mob dps increase from 800-1000, to 900-1100.  I believe its mostly due to the fact that you can squeeze atleast 5 ranged CA's into the time when Focus Fire is up and running.   Sometimes I actually find my self holding off on those nice ranged CA's till focus fire refreshes.

[Jayad]

Generally a good idea.  I save up the 'big hits' for Focus.  It's also not a bad idea do a Focus run of 4 or 5, then use Killing Instinct for the remaining few.  Besides the DPS buff, it also increases your ranged skill.

[Crychtonn]

<P>Perfectionist & Poise seem to give me better DPS then when I had Poise and max range and poison crits.  I account this to the 15% damage increase for Rain and having it on a two minute timer vs a three.  Another key is to cycle CA's to refresh with  Focus and try to always have Focus available when Rain comes up.  Starting a fight in stealth then using Focus, veiled, rain I can cap off 14-16K if both crit and or a brigand has debuffed.  This makes up for and then some what you loose in poison crits.</P> <P> </P>

[Jayad]

<P>I have tried the poison route and was just unimpressed.  Currently building up to get Perfectionist (already have Poise) and going to try that.  My reasoning was exactly what you described, which is making Rain do more damage and be used more.  The difference between Rain being 3m versus 2m is often using it once or twice in a raid fight.  Rain is currently my #1 dps entry after pierce and Quick Shot.  With Perfectionist, it might be #2 overall.   Selection is next BTW.  (This was on a raid with lots of trash/adds)  Even without it striking multiple mobs, it hits for more than Veiled Fire and doesn't require stealth, so I use it with Focus all the time even on solo mobs.</P> <P>The change to Snipe is just a side benefit but I expect it will help me use it more often.  Currently I 'save' it too much, thinking there will be some big named or something.  It's a psychological thing.</P>

[LoreLady]

<div></div>I was thinking about changing my AA line to Agil - 4-8-4-8-8  Str -  4-8 -4Has anyone tried that quick attack M1 yet? (whatever its called - posting on downtime)<p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class=date_text>06-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:24 AM</span>