INT not effecting applied poison

[BlackAdderDr]

Hellow Rangers.  I have been lurking on your boards since my return and although my Ranger is not my main currently I have been experimenting with her some.  One thing I noticed and forgive me if this has already been covered is that when you boost your INT it does not effect a poison already applied.  This urked me in that I can craft some nice int potions and would have to have them up when I applied my poison.  Alternatively you could don mage garb simply for the purpose of upping your INT then applying your poison and then re-equip some proper gear.  However that is the least desirable in that group buffs from wizards and Illusionists will not effect a good portion of our DPS that is INT based.   Has this issue been addressed at all?-Alaulai 60th Ranger of Nektulos

[Jay]

<P>*blinks*</P> <P>Wow! Welcome back! Haven't seen you around in forever.</P> <P>You raise an interesting point... I've never thought of the "current INT value" factor when applying poison. I just figured the bonus from your Int was determined when the poison proc'd, not when it was applied. </P>

[Jayad]

<P>I think it used to (I can remember getting +100 int in a group in T6 and having poison go up) but at least T7 poisons don't seem to change at all.  Not sure whether it affects our offensive stance proc.</P> <P>At this point I'd have to consider INT a useless attribute for a Ranger, where you used to want it.</P>

[BlackAdderDr]

Thanks Kaeros <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Glad to be remembered.  After reading these boards I might have *gasp* betrayed to an assassin if it wasnt for the silver lining that you and a few other good souls add to the dark cloud that hangs over this forum lately.  I have been playing my wizard Acelia since I came back and to be honest I was playing her alot more than Alaulai when I ahd left the game.  Its the goodyear blimp 7k hits that she puts up there that entertains me lately.  However I would like to explore Alaulai and add some good tactics to this board to bolster the understanding of the state of the Ranger class and how to squeeze the most out of every bow shot.-Alaulai 60th Ranger of Nektulos<div></div>

[Jayad]

<P>maxing ranger DPS is not too difficult. </P> <OL> <LI>max STR (or close to it).  sacrifice every other stat until you are close to the cap, then get back AGI, STA, mitigation and WIS/resists</LI> <LI>get the best DR bow you can get, DR > proc</LI> <LI>use the appropriate arrows for your tier</LI> <LI>use high DD poison</LI> <LI>upgrade all ranged CAs to adept3 or better</LI> <LI>apply focus aim and cast your big range attacks together</LI> <LI>when you run out of range CAs close for melee</LI></OL> <P>That's really all there is to it.  Poise (last AGI AA) helps with getting up to 4 attacks in under a single Focus.  Save your CAs for Focus when you're close.</P>

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> <P>That's really all there is to it.  Poise (last AGI AA) helps with getting up to 4 attacks in under a single Focus.  Save your CAs for Focus when you're close.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Who knew it was so easy!</P> <P>Some other tricks to use include:</P> <P>- using your 'Corner' debuff line before focus to lower the targets defense</P> <P>- lead off with divitalizing arrow to help bebuff even more</P> <P>- Use debuff poisons</P> <P>I am still undecided on what it is better to debuff with poisons; poison resistance or target defense, or even agility to decrease avoidance<BR></P>

[Jayad]

<P>I haven't noticed much of a difference using debuffs on regular mobs.  I stopped debuffing unless it's a really tough long fight.  Just wastes time you can use to do damage. </P> <P>I have master1 "cover fire" which debuffs defense like 45 or something.  The dps when I use it when I don't, my group or my own, is exactly the same in my parses. </P> <P>The debuff attack speed poison is the only really useful debuff I know of for rangers.  it's very useful on raid and nameds in grouping.  Devit. arrow I still use because it also does decent damage.</P> <P>Is your experience different?  I used to be more of a proponent of debuffs but weeks of playing with them just hasn't shown much of a result.  You max debuff something and your snipe still misses.  Where's the advantage? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Katsugen]

<P>Unless there was some ninja change recently INT should still be affecting your poisons. I would have expected to notice the difference in the parse. As for seeing the change, I'm pretty sure if you examine the poison, note the dmg number, close the poison window, then unequip some INT gear, and re-examine the nubmer should be lower. </P> <P>I personally have been trying to get more INT gear for some time as my raid setups generally keep me maxed on STR and AGI. Pumping INT is not as huge a bonus as it used to be pre LU21, but once you have maxed your STR it is something you can put points toward for a little extra dmg. </P> <P>- Katsugen</P>

[ary]

What does DR bow mean ?

[Teksun]

Damage Rating....<div></div>

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> <P>I haven't noticed much of a difference using debuffs on regular mobs.  I stopped debuffing unless it's a really tough long fight.  Just wastes time you can use to do damage. </P> <P>I have master1 "cover fire" which debuffs defense like 45 or something.  The dps when I use it when I don't, my group or my own, is exactly the same in my parses. </P> <P>The debuff attack speed poison is the only really useful debuff I know of for rangers.  it's very useful on raid and nameds in grouping.  Devit. arrow I still use because it also does decent damage.</P> <P>Is your experience different?  I used to be more of a proponent of debuffs but weeks of playing with them just hasn't shown much of a result.  You max debuff something and your snipe still misses.  Where's the advantage? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I actually haven't compared parses to see how well corner/cover fire works . The snare line with its heat debuff springs to mind as another group damage enhancer.  But I am a firm believer that every little bit helps, and even if its not helping me directly, it's helping someone else in the group or raid hit harder.   The same applies for the debuff poisons.  I'll use a cold/heat debuff so our wizzie heavy group will hit harder</P> <P>I would still use it on regular mobs even if its effect was minute.  Why?  beacuse it gets me in the habit of "mouse memory"  i.e. doing strings of CA's the same way every time to maximize damage.  If i do it that way on groups, I'm more likely to do it that way on raids.</P> <P>As an example of it possibly being effective: Last night we had a 4 person guild group in PoA. At lvl 63 most of the mobs were orange to me, yet I was still able to do adequate (no great but adequate) damage by starting with debuff and devitalizing arrow.  If both hit, then the mob was usually debuffed enough for the misses to evaporate when I used focus.  If I didnt start out with debuffs then I very seldom lay an arrow on them...</P> <P>As for INT....  my poisons proc so seldom that it doesnt seem worth seeking out INT gear at my level.  Maybe later, though</P>