So how is the Ranger dps now ?

[Falcu]

<DIV>Hiya,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I stopped playing my Ranger when the Proc nerf was. I wonder how the Ranger DSP is now ? are we still in the top dps ?</DIV> <DIV>Give me some info, maybe i will start to play my ranger again if something has been fixed.</DIV> <DIV>Ranger should do massive dmg thats the only thing we offer to a group, thats my toughts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV> <DIV>Satyg 53 Ranger</DIV>

[Exzile]

In all honesty  there is alot of factors to our dps.  No i dont consider my self to me in the TOP spot in dps but high enough for me  but i didnt roll a ranger to be TOP dps i rolled it because i like the idea of ranged dps and going in to meele when needed to. Also i enjoyed the fact that i could take some what of a beatin. If you cant take joy in what the ranger class is for that then imho dont go back. There are alot of rangers in game now that make a bad name for the rest of us.  Prolly  provoking a flame storm here but its the chance i will take.  Rangers arn't the Flava of the week anymore and i wish the newbs would move on its quite anoying.  Or maybe im in the wrong for thinking  that the ranger i was with last night  held up the grp for 15 mins because he had to blow 3 plat in arrows.....  that he was going to go through in 1-2 hours time...... maybe im the newb ... oh and this was a regular old exp grind grp in SOS<div></div>

[Falcu]

<DIV>I agree that the fun with a ranger is the range attacks and meele some, thats what i like about ranger to. But i like to group, and after the massive dsp nerf to ranger i dident get any groups... and thats the main reason that i quit. I think its kinda boring to solo <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Beldin_]

I'm no raider and have no über items nor masters, but in normal groups with other playersi'm mostly top dps .. our swashi does more from time to time but he is in a raidally andhas a lot masters .. also in the long run my dps is still better.

[Stormwolf86]

/boggle, i dunno what your talking about about by not being top dps anymore, i am a raider, yes i am well equipped in all raid gear, and missing few masters, but i am top dps 85% of the time.

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Falcula wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hiya,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I stopped playing my Ranger when the Proc nerf was. I wonder how the Ranger DSP is now ? are we still in the top dps ?</DIV> <DIV>Give me some info, maybe i will start to play my ranger again if something has been fixed.</DIV> <DIV>Ranger should do massive dmg thats the only thing we offer to a group, thats my toughts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV> <DIV>Satyg 53 Ranger</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Rangers have decent DPS now.  I would like to see our DPS be less reliant upon autoattack, but I think we are in the top 5 DPS.  There are a couple of classes in the top tier that shouldnt be there /coughsummoners/cough /coughmonk/cough but when things do change as they most certainly will, Rangers should be back in the top 3 or 4. </P> <P>In no particular order Wizards/Warlocks and Assassin/Rangers should be able to hold the top spots generally.  There will always be those situations where another class does more DPS than you simply because the cards fell their way.  The mob is resistant to piercing, the mob is weak against magic...or that Swashie unloads everything he or she has in a short battle...</P> <P>Things will not always line up right so that rangers are top DPS.  BUT we once again have the capability to get up into the top DPS.</P> <P>What really matters though is, yes, groups are once again opened up to rangers when you hear the call "Such and such group has dps slot open pst".  I get into those groups again...is it because folks are confident in my knowledge of my class...hardly [Removed for Content]...it is because they know that a ranger brings something to the group.  A gritty hard nosed DPS machine.</P> <P>Would I like to see some changes, sure!  I am always wanting the dev's to tweak us and make us more proficient at our main role.  However, the dev's right now have decided to take on a large problem percieved with other classes (see LU24 notes on test) as well as some other changes. Also they are likely preparing for the next expansion and adventure pack. </P> <P>After they are out though....expect some more tweaks to strengthen each classes defined role.</P> <P>Man...I need to increase my being brief skills...I write too much lol</P> <P>Have fun friends</P> <P>Saihung</P>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Stormwolf86 wrote:/boggle, i dunno what your talking about about by not being top dps anymore, i am a raider, yes i am well equipped in all raid gear, and missing few masters, but i am top dps 85% of the time.<hr></blockquote>How high is your DPS that you are getting top DPS with? And of course, group setup.<p>Message Edited by Pinski on <span class=date_text>06-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:12 AM</span>

[nimbus2kgold]

<DIV>The dps is there, but you have to work for it.  You need to really read your spells,  learn what they do, learn the recast timers, and really pay attention.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>LU 13 created alot of lazy rangers.  I was just as guilty of it as everyone else.  You cant just sit back, spam buttons randomly, rely on procs and get 1500dps anymore.  You need to be active, go in for the melee (since they upped the dmg on those, it makes them worthwhile again), cast your debuffs first so the dmg spells hit harder, use the heat debuff before using your heat based spells... for a few examples.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your looking for a class that is going to give you insane damage without working too hard, then Ranger is not for you.  Me, I'm a die hard ranger, and wouldn't stop playing one, even if i had the dps of a Templar.  Yes, I was as upset as everyone else when we got slaughtered by the nerf nuke (stick/bat is too mild a word).  But once the dust settled, and I stopped whining, I started getting proactive and re-learning the class.  Now, at lvl 70, having worked hard to get all my spells to master with a few ad3's, and good gear, I can hit that 1000 dps mark.  I work my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off for it, have posions and potions, and utilize every trick in the book to do it, but its there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And honestly, Im having more fun now than I did before.  Its nice when you get in a group that after a while says "hey, i thought rangers were nerfed... they fix you guys?"  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[brandi7920]

<P>I'm usually in the top 4-5 slots on parse during raids. I'm always neck to neck with the assassin, wizard, warlock and usually a bit below the summoners...though if I have ideal situations I can blow them away (and vice versa for them). I'm really having a lot of fun with my ranger and am quite satisfied with my dps. </P> <P>As far as raid settings, I'm usually in a dps group with a brigand, swashie, monk, zerker, me (ranger :smileytongue: ) and an inquisitor. </P> <P> </P>

[TaleraRis]

<P>I solo mostly, but in groups I parse about even with the assassin, or usually just below. I need to upgrade though, which is why I've been concentrating mostly on tradeskills lately (and the no-sub changes, aiee) so if I can get a few CAs I need and a tier-appropriate bow I'll probably be able to do better. Plus I'll have my own crafted poisons again, since I'm a lazy butt and let my alchemist slide.</P> <P>I think our DPS is just fine. I wasn't really affected by LU20 as much, because I didn't rely on procs to do my damage. I was already in the habit of using melee once the mob got to me. I can't say I see that as much a nerf as a fix, since without those changes rangers were essentially only using half their possible skills. Now we're utilizing them all. </P>

[Darkzman]

<P>Depends where you are and your Armor and equipment, On some Raids I ave 800 dps, on the Harder zones I can only ave 480 -650 dps because I can't move in close or I take damage, On these Raids my job is to stay alive and keep firing off arrows I finish in the top 5 in the hard zones.</P> <P> </P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[SIlly Muffin]

<DIV>Ranger DPS</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is a big difference since the nerf-fix. Yet we are not the top DPS. I am a raider and whiel I do end up in the top 5-7 parsed I am seldom the top. That is reserved for the assassins. Indeed, in some battles even the MT gets better DPS than I. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are a LOT of factors. In general you will be better than non-DPS classes; but you will usually not be the top. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Things that factor in: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Equipment - fabled/relic can make big DPS change</DIV> <DIV>2) Buffs; There wil be a BIG difference between DPS toons in the MT group vs DPS group. Thia also goes for regular groups. Which buff syou have and who your group</DIV> <DIV>    mates are can have big impact on your DPS. </DIV> <DIV>3) Posions/Potions/Charms - Again they can add a nice percent more damage</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMHO the biggest single limitation to ranger DPS isnt the skills it is the CA reuse/use timers on them. We are too dependent on auto-attack, as others have mentioned. Assassins and casters can let loose with heavy hitters a lot more frequently and faster. Most of our CA have slow cycle times plus very long cast times. Take Sniper shot - ou biggets hitter it can take a few seconds to stealth, 7s to cast and it might MISS. For almost 10s worth of time we can end up with 0 DPS or low dps since it averages out over time. Even a 8K hit over 10s tiem is 800 DpS an assassin could easily have 3-4 3K hits in the same time for 1200 DpS. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It gets so annoying to fire off a CA that takes so long to resolve the mob is dead before the fact and your DPS becomes fat 0 for that time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Indeed, in most raids the top asssassins usually have 200-300 DPS advantage; only assassins seem to break the 1K DPS barrier. In groups the margin is usually a LOT closer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AS are fine as a class they dont need nerfing; but we really need faster timers for rangers - and a FIX for SoA!! Being dependent on Auto makes it really expensive and frustrating.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Muffin</DIV><p>Message Edited by SIlly Muffin on <span class=date_text>06-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:29 AM</span>

[Shaulin Dolamite]

Our biggest problem right now and has been for awhile is the costs we suffer for tier approptate arrows and poisons. Between me my wife and son who all play EQ 2 my ranger is more expensive to do my job then both of there charecters combine 4 times over. We shouldnt have to pay such a price to do our jobs : (

[Balerius]

<P>OK, my analysis.  This is for high end raiding only.  NOT solo.  NOT grouping.</P> <P> </P> <P>1.  Summoners are <EM>currently</EM> top dps.  (90+% of the time).  (Other 10% is Assassin)</P> <P>2.  Assassins are second dps.  (75% of the time).  (Other 25% is Necro unless Assassin is #1).</P> <P>3.  Necros are third dps.  (60% of the time).  (Other 40% is Assassin doing poorly or Swash/Ranger doing well)</P> <P>4.  Swashbucklers are fourth dps (55% of the time).  (Other 45% is Ranger).</P> <P>5.  Rangers are fifth dps.  (55% of the time).  (Other 45% is Swashbuckler).</P> <P>6.  Wizards/Warlocks are sixth dps.  (80% of the time)</P> <P>7.  Seventh and below are a hodgepodge of classes.  Positions 1-5 are fairly consistent.  Positions 6 and below vary a lot.</P> <P>The interesting thing is that based on my experience is high end raiding and raid groups setup to maximize dps, 3 out of the top five dps spots are held by so-called tier2 dps classes.</P> <P>BTW, in case you're wondering, the "dps gap" between assassins and rangers is not small.  It's on the order of a 300 dps difference.</P> <P>Lastly, there are always special cases where the above breakout doesn't hold true.  Even cases where a ranger will be #1 dps.  My breakout represents the average over many raid level fights based on my experience.</P>

[Jayad]

<P>In my experience, we're still lagging about 15-20% behind assassins if you have equal skill, gear, etc.  In the right raid setup, I can break 1000 dps sometimes and usually am at about 700-800 dps.  Our guild assassin regularly breaks 1000 dps.  Swashies and brigands usually are slightly behind me or even.   Wizards, warlocks, necros and summoners all can do more dps than I can in a good raid setup.  I have a few AAs left to get which will bump me slightly but I don't think it'd make any dramatic difference. </P> <P>One problem with our DPS is a serious lack of good T7 fabled bows.  They are hard to get.  I mean, we're using a 80 DR bow (grizzie's) most of the time compared to 90-100 DR 2 handers and 100-120 combined DR dual wields.  The other problem is our combat arts just plain don't hit hard enough.  If you cap your str, which is easy to do, then it just seems like they don't hit as hard as they need to considering the cast timers involved, even with Poise.</P> <P>I'm sure there are better Rangers than me, but I think I know it pretty well.  You could probably break 1300, 1400 dps with the perfect group/proc setup in a raid but that would probably be as high as it can go on a typical raid boss.  (Who cares about the trash)</P> <P>In groups, you are usually dealing with much less skilled/geared players and so if you are a very good ranger, you will often be the top dps.  But don't let that fool you, that is just a comparison of your good skill versus most people's crappy skill and gear.  You have to compare the high end players and content to really get an idea of what rangers are capable of versus other classes.  In my opinion, we are still short.  Just play with a really good assassin, you'll see what I mean very quickly.  Even swashies and brigands match our dps in most fights, and they get a lot more, too. </P> <P>I won't even talk about summoners, it's too depressing.  Let's just say the necro can die twice and still beat me with just his pet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I expect after the LU24 nerf, they will still parse higher, but we'll see.</P> <P>All that being said, I think Rangers are fun to play in your typical group - if you can use your ranged.  The arrow cost problem is still very big.  It makes us gimped or expensive, take your pick.  It's just tough when you're let's say a top 2% ranger and the top 25% other classes are beating your pants. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  If you're a raid leader, and you have a choice between a ranger in that slot or some other top dps class, it's a really easy choice - and the ranger won't get that spot.</P>

[Jay]

If you want to play to enjoy the game and have fun in groups, you should give it another shot. You'll have to relearn a few things as the way we do damage is now significantly different - we rely more on short-term self-buffs, autoattack, and not so much on procs any longer. It's not a terribly difficult adjustment, and it will probably take you some time, but the damage is there, you just have to find out how to make it happen. No, we're not TOP DPS every time anymore, those days are gone - but we can post up there given the right setup, playstyle, and situation.

[Katsugen]

<DIV>Ranger dps in a raid is not that bad. The problem is other classes that are out of whack. We lag slightly behind assassins but like stated only 100-200 or so. As for ppl saying rangers can't break the 1k dps barrier, it all has to do w/ raid setup and such, and its really all relative. Give me some good group buffs and 3 dispatches and I'll parse 1.5k but the point is how am I relative to the rest of the dps, cuz the summoners prolly broke 2k. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Katsugen</DIV>

[Garlicyesterday]

<DIV>Rangers can break the 1k DPS . End of question =)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just got back from 1 month break and im not fabled out since i was gone for long while...only fabled t7 i gotta was relic arms last night so hehe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And i do break 1k , not all the time of course , but if focusing really , i can keep up an avg of 800dps easy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But yeah like a lot of people said , the way people need to play rangers now is a lot different if you want to do good dps , you need to focus , time your skills between melee and ranged and also consider your auto-attacks a lot...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that bothers right now with ranger is that we rely on appropriate arrows a lot , which is fine in a way but is way too costy as of right now</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And this one has notin to do about rangers but it does [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing bothers me that bruiser/monks/bersker can outdps us , not always but they surely can...and shouldnt be happen considering their buffs/utilities they got that we dont have =( hehe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LaKai65]

<DIV>i agree 100%. i am usually top 3 dps on t7 raids (behind swash and a monk some times). usually around 800-1200. at like 450 strength. but what i dont under stand is why havent they made rangers better yet.. i mean come on. we have no group buffs (besides pathfinding =/). we are stright dps.</DIV><p>Message Edited by LaKai6510 on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:04 AM</span>

[Rahmn]

<P>Labs Raid:</P> <P>Necro 1200-1400 dps</P> <P>Assassin 1100-1300 dps</P> <P>Brigand 1000-1100 dps</P> <P>Ranger 800-1000 dps</P> <P>Bruiser 800-1000 dps</P> <P>Guardian!! 700-900 dps non tank</P> <P>Rarely see wizards or warlocks in the top 6, they are usually face planted.</P> <P>Edit: As an improvement, I'd like to see mental breech and hemotoxin poisons stack instead of having to choose between the 2.  Also removing the haste cap(for awesome bow shoot) or allowing 1 sec delay weapons to be hasted period.  Oh and I'd also like that nice Wyrm Destroyer short bow with like 102 rating if i remember.  Our assassin had a bit more dkp... maybe next time.</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Rahmn on <SPAN class=date_text>06-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:57 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Rahmn on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:00 AM</span>

[leafnin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rahmn wrote:<BR> <P>Labs Raid:</P> <P>Necro 1200-1400 dps</P> <P>Assassin 1100-1300 dps</P> <P>Brigand 1000-1100 dps</P> <P>Ranger 800-1000 dps</P> <P>Bruiser 800-1000 dps</P> <P>Guardian!! 700-900 dps non tank</P> <P>Rarely see wizards or warlocks in the top 6, they are usually face planted.</P> <P>Edit: As an improvement, I'd like to see mental breech and hemotoxin poisons stack instead of having to choose between the 2.  Also removing the haste cap(for awesome bow shoot) or allowing 1 sec delay weapons to be hasted period.  Oh and I'd also like that nice Wyrm Destroyer short bow with like 102 rating if i remember.  Our assassin had a bit more dkp... maybe next time.</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Rahmn on <SPAN class=date_text>06-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:57 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Rahmn on <SPAN class=date_text>06-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:00 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Is your Brig using Wurmslayer and have the wisdom line of AA's?  If so that might drop some LU24.  Also that guard have a heart attack from working so hard?  [Removed for Content]</P> <P> </P> <P>Falcon </P>

[Star]

Nice parses, last night in Labs I was doing 1000-1200 when trying and even broke 2000. *shrug* Parsing is only useful to measure yourself against yourself and make sure you're not slacking.

[Kukuzhong]

<P>Posted this a  little while ago-</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=30508&page=2" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=30508&page=2</A></P> <P>Basically yep, too dependent on autoattack, and bows just dont cut it...</P> <P>Been doing top 3-4 DPS in raids at the moment, but rogues are catching up as they get better DR weapons. So yep, till SOE decides to keep their promise and make bow DR better, we can be pretty much stuck in T2 territory.</P><p>Message Edited by Kukuzhong on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:36 PM</span>

[Arhan]

<DIV>For T7 raids on named I am in the top 3 almost always.  Rogues being the most competitive for the top spot.  I'm ok with it as it is.</DIV>

[Rahmn]

<DIV>@Falcon</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No wyrmslayer for the brig, I believe he's using the 1hand version of the Godking weapon and I don't know what aa line he went.  As for the guardian, well he's special in his silverpants.</DIV>

[leafnin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rahmn wrote:<BR> <DIV>@Falcon</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No wyrmslayer for the brig, I believe he's using the 1hand version of the Godking weapon and I don't know what aa line he went.  As for the guardian, well he's special in his silverpants.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ah ok then that's still pretty good.  I figured he went Wis line for the double attacks.  I just can't bring myself to do it with my Brig  TS and the pull of getting FD is too strong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Silver hotpants for the win!  </P> <P> </P> <P>Falcon  </P>

[schla]

<div></div><div></div>Actual numbers in parses are begging to mean less and less to me as I dont parse myself and usually get pretty variated results depending on who in my guild is pasting the parse.... But I will say this: Im usually always second on the list with usually about 100 up to the assasin on the "small namers" in Lab. On the big boys (long fights) I seems to outdo the assass consistently...(+200 on Harla Dar)...This might be due to the hassle of being close up melee for the assasin...couldnt see what was going on in there just fired away hehe <div></div><p>Message Edited by schlamo on <span class="date_text">06-08-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:54 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by schlamo on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 AM</span>

[Balerius]

<P>Unfortunately, saying "I'm always in the top 3" or "I'm always number 2" has little meaning since it's relative to the other players in your raid.  To further generalize for all rangers based on your experience is problemmatic.  On the other hand, when one posts actual dps numbers, they too can be criticized for being somehow flawed.  In the end, all we can do is post the information we have and try to compare notes and from that further try to assess the "state of rangers in EQ2".</P> <P>I posted earlier that I think rangers are lagging behind in the raid environment.  Others posted somewhat different opinions.  So I thought I'd post some general numbers as well by appending them to an extract from my earlier post:</P> <P>---------------------</P> <P>1.  Summoners are <EM>currently</EM> top dps.  (90+% of the time).  (Other 10% is Assassin)  <FONT color=#ffff00>1600 dps +/- 300</FONT></P> <P>2.  Assassins are second dps.  (75% of the time).  (Other 25% is Necro unless Assassin is #1).  <FONT color=#ffff00>1500 dps +/- 200</FONT></P> <P>3.  Necros are third dps.  (60% of the time).  (Other 40% is Assassin doing poorly or Swash/Ranger doing well) <FONT color=#ffff00>1450 dps +/- 300</FONT></P> <P>4.  Swashbucklers are fourth dps (55% of the time).  (Other 45% is Ranger).  <FONT color=#ffff00>1250 dps +/- 200</FONT></P> <P>5.  Rangers are fifth dps.  (55% of the time).  (Other 45% is Swashbuckler).  <FONT color=#ffff00>1200 dps +/- 200</FONT></P> <P>6.  Wizards/Warlocks are sixth dps.  (80% of the time)  <FONT color=#ffff00>1100 dps +/- 300</FONT></P> <P>7.  Seventh and below are a hodgepodge of classes.  Positions 1-5 are fairly consistent.  Positions 6 and below vary a lot.</P> <P>As a note, in my guild you generally don't even make the top 10 list dps-wise unless you do over 1000 dps.</P> <P>-------------------</P> <P>So that's my answer as to "how is Ranger dps now?".  It ain't bad.  But it isn't where it should be on high end raids.  Which is why if my guild decided to get another scout class, the last class that would be picked is a ranger.  If we strictly want dps, we'd get another assassin.  If we'd be satisfied with the amount of dps a ranger can do, we'd pickup a swashbuckler or brigand who can do the same or better dps plus provide utility.  Even dirges do dps almost equal to rangers and also, of course, provide utility.</P>

[Armeng]

<DIV> <P>OK, my analysis.  This is for high end raiding only.  NOT solo.  NOT grouping.</P> <P> </P> <P>1.  Summoners are <EM>currently</EM> top dps.  (90+% of the time).  (Other 10% is Assassin)</P> <P>2.  Assassins are second dps.  (75% of the time).  (Other 25% is Necro unless Assassin is #1).</P> <P>3.  Necros are third dps.  (60% of the time).  (Other 40% is Assassin doing poorly or Swash/Ranger doing well)</P> <P>4.  Swashbucklers are fourth dps (55% of the time).  (Other 45% is Ranger).</P> <P>5.  Rangers are fifth dps.  (55% of the time).  (Other 45% is Swashbuckler).</P> <P>6.  Wizards/Warlocks are sixth dps.  (80% of the time)</P> <P>7.  Seventh and below are a hodgepodge of classes.  Positions 1-5 are fairly consistent.  Positions 6 and below vary a lot.</P> <P>The interesting thing is that based on my experience is high end raiding and raid groups setup to maximize dps, 3 out of the top five dps spots are held by so-called tier2 dps classes.</P> <P>BTW, in case you're wondering, the "dps gap" between assassins and rangers is not small.  It's on the order of a 300 dps difference.</P> <P>Lastly, there are always special cases where the above breakout doesn't hold true.  Even cases where a ranger will be #1 dps.  My breakout represents the average over many raid level fights based on my experience.</P> <P> </P> <P>wow this is about opposite of when i left, glad I read these posts first so i wasnt totally blown away, sounds like eq2 rangers are shafted as bad as ddo rangers (D&D online) are atm, gonna rethink this trying eq2 again</P> <P> </P></DIV>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Armengar wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>wow this is about opposite of when i left, glad I read these posts first so i wasnt totally blown away, sounds like eq2 rangers are shafted as bad as ddo rangers (D&D online) are atm, gonna rethink this trying eq2 again</P> <P><BR></P> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The intent of my post is not to convince/persuade anyone to play or not play a ranger.  There are plenty of rangers who play EQ2 who are perfectly happy with their class/characters to include the dps their characters achieve.</P> <P>The intent of my post is to show where our dps stands in high end raids.  Or, about where rangers' max dps is in relation to where other class' max dps is given supporting class' raid buffs, etc.</P> <P>The purpose of my posting is to hopefully gain the attention of SoE developers so that they relook at what they've done to our dps from LU21 to today since I don't believe that the tools they use to measure dps are capable of measuring dps during high end raids.</P> <P>Because with brutal honesty, presently there is no objective reason why a high end raiding guild should add a ranger to their guild.  And ultimately, I believe that will have a "trickle down" effect on all rangers.<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Balerius on <span class=date_text>06-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:23 AM</span>

[Teksun]

The good news is: If you are playing a class JUST to be DPS king, Ranger is not for you. Yes this is good news. I'd rather have 50 Rangers/server that loved the class than what we had before the nerf...<div></div>

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Teksun wrote:<BR>The good news is: If you are playing a class JUST to be DPS king, Ranger is not for you. Yes this is good news. I'd rather have 50 Rangers/server that loved the class than what we had before the nerf...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Halleluiah!</P>

[Wil81115]

<DIV>I did roll a ranger to be T1 DPS. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> However that comes with hardwork and figuring out a casting order that <U>works</U> for YOU to maximise YOUR dps. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I dont waste my good stuff on crap mobs. i do slack a bit and save the good CA's, special ammo, poisons, etc.. for the nameds.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> But for nameds i do go all out, best of everything i have..  Get the best gear you can, get the best bow you can(high dmg rating and a proc, or just really high dmg rating), use the highest teir arrows you can, use the best poisons you can afford, and use your debuffs!!!!!! alot of people forget that. your debuffs can be the difference between doing 800 and 1000dps+  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Upgrade your CA's. Upgrade your debuffs.  And last but not least... simply put..  (more STR = more damage) + (More AGI = more power) =  you will kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] in EQ2.  nuff said.. </DIV>

[Jayad]

<P>... and you will still fall short of equal skilled/geared casters and assassins, not to mention be at the same level as several other classes.  Most of us accept this but let's not cloud the problems up by confusing maximizing our dps and where that maximized dps is relative to other classes.</P> <P>'nuff said.</P>

[Wil81115]

<DIV>our parses show otherwise.  T1 dps doesnt mean the top spot every time.  But it does mean that other T1's are there as well. But i am on tops of alot of parses.. </DIV>