T7 Fabled bows that summon arrows -Question.

[LoreLady]

The umbral darkness and the ichorstrand bow.. How are there arrows? Are they considered to be like a t8 arrow? Are they regular arrows? How does this work?

[Katsugen]

<P>As for the soulseeker, unlike some threads I've read about this bow on this forum...it does not if fact spawn 99 swarm pets. The umbrel darkness things it spawns are lvl 70 ammo for your bow. The graphic for the umbrels looks like a blue ball similar to the relic calling stone. You can summon 99 every 5mins and they do divine damage, instead of piercing. I've only recently acquired this bow and haven't had much time to analyze the parses, but it doesnt seem that they do any more dmg than the T7 summoned ones. I do more dmg per arrow but I haven't figured out yet if that all due to increased damage rating.</P> <P>-Katsugen</P><p>Message Edited by Katsugen on <span class=date_text>05-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:43 AM</span>

[Wozicasamoll]

<DIV>I would like to see a screeny of that bow.. both stats and design.. If anyone dare post it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[LoreLady]

28 str - 26 agil, 90 hp, 90 power, 4 pierce 4 range 2 subjugation99-298 damage - 88.3 damage rating 4.5 delay2-25 rangeEffects Summon viscid globes when activated- Summons 99 viscid globsApplies viscid mire when equipped    - On successfull attack this spell has a 5% chance to cast viscid mire on target of attack. Lasts for 3.0 seconds       -Cancels up to 20% of targets speed buffs.

[KongstadPS]

<P>What do I have to steamroll to get said bow? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Also is it a shortbow?</P>

[Star]

<DIV>Icor is from the Amophous Drake??? forget the name, it's the blob dragon in DT. I believe Soulseeker is also DT loot, but I'm not sure what it drops from.</DIV>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jwmaynar wrote:<BR> <DIV>Icor is from the Amophous Drake??? forget the name, it's the blob dragon in DT. I believe Soulseeker is also DT loot, but I'm not sure what it drops from.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Psst!  /whisper [Removed for Content] is DT?  </P> <P>Sai so stoopid</P>

[Deml]

<DIV>DT = Deathtoll.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Soulseeker is from Tarinax I believe.  He's a big (and I mean big) bone dragon, probably the best looking mob in the game.  You'll know him when you see him.</DIV>

[Balerius]

<P>"Bazkul The Soulseeker" drops off of Tarinax in Deathtoll.</P> <P>As mentioned by another poster, you can summon 99 "arrows" every 5 minutes and the ammo does divine damage.  BTW, once summoned, the ammo can be fired by any bow, not just the Soulseeker.</P> <P>The summoned ammo is labled as Legendary, so one can assume that the damage is thereby greater than typical arrows.  It's a bit tough to analyze this directly, however, since the "resist check" of the Soulseeker's arrows is divine vs. a piercing check for normal arrows.</P>

[Crychtonn]

<P>The Glob's you summon with the Ichorstrand bow do Poison damage.  All your CA's and auto attack damage including quick shot proc's cause poison damage.  With the exception of Precise Shot that still does heat damage.  The ammo is legendary but the damage seems to be on par with regular summoned arrows.</P> <P>The bow itself is a piece of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and I only got it for the free ammo so I don't go broke buying arrows.  The damage rating of 88.3 is just pathetically stupid low and the proc is just plain useless.  Hell we got a Legendary bow out of Lyceum the other day with a 91.6 DR with a 7% damage proc.</P> <P>IMO even the Soulseeker bow from Taranix is [Removed for Content] compared to what it should be.  LU whatever promised to put bow damage ratings on par with 2-handed swords.  That was a load of bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Grizzlefazzle still blows compared to the 2-hander.  On fables there are lots of 2-handers with DR well over 100 some as high as 107.9  (axe harla dar drops all the time).  Yet Ichorstrand has a pathetic 88.3 DR and even Soulseeker off of Taranix only has a 98 something DR and doesn't even have a proc on it anymore.  They nerf'd and removed the mana leech proc and of course decided not to replace it with a new proc.</P> <P>Personally I think they should just change Ichorstrand into a charm items that summons poison globs.  That's all it will ever be good for the way it is now.</P> <P> </P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <P>The Glob's you summon with the Ichorstrand bow do Poison damage.  All your CA's and auto attack damage including quick shot proc's cause poison damage.  With the exception of Precise Shot that still does heat damage.  The ammo is legendary but the damage seems to be on par with regular summoned arrows.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>if said ammo does posion or divine dmg instead of crush/pierce wouldn't that make the dmg</P> <P>increase with a poision or divine de-buff?  (like a brigand)</P> <P> </P> <P>also, are there any other ammo types for a bow that do magic type dmg instead of mele</P> <P>type?</P> <P> </P>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>if said ammo does posion or divine dmg instead of crush/pierce wouldn't that make the dmg</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>increase with a poision or divine de-buff?  (like a brigand)</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>yes<BR>

[Crychtonn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <P>The Glob's you summon with the Ichorstrand bow do Poison damage.  All your CA's and auto attack damage including quick shot proc's cause poison damage.  With the exception of Precise Shot that still does heat damage.  The ammo is legendary but the damage seems to be on par with regular summoned arrows.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>if said ammo does posion or divine dmg instead of crush/pierce wouldn't that make the dmg</P> <P>increase with a poision or divine de-buff?  (like a brigand)</P> <P> </P> <P>also, are there any other ammo types for a bow that do magic type dmg instead of mele</P> <P>type?</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Need to remember Brigands debuff everything with there skills.  Normal mitigation along with resists.  Having a Brigand around increases damage no matter what type of arrow your usings.  Specific mob resists are the only thing that really makes a difference.</P> <P> </P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crychtonn wrote:<BR> <P>The Glob's you summon with the Ichorstrand bow do Poison damage.  All your CA's and auto attack damage including quick shot proc's cause poison damage.  With the exception of Precise Shot that still does heat damage.  The ammo is legendary but the damage seems to be on par with regular summoned arrows.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>if said ammo does posion or divine dmg instead of crush/pierce wouldn't that make the dmg</P> <P>increase with a poision or divine de-buff?  (like a brigand)</P> <P> </P> <P>also, are there any other ammo types for a bow that do magic type dmg instead of mele</P> <P>type?</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Need to remember Brigands debuff everything with there skills.  Normal mitigation along with resists.  Having a Brigand around increases damage no matter what type of arrow your usings.  Specific mob resists are the only thing that really makes a difference.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>last time I counted up what a brig can reduce for spell debuffs was over 6K-7k, and mele(armor mitigation) was around 3-4k, are my figures that far off?

[Lyasa]

a lil bit off. resists by  1500 - 2k depending on quality of skill mitigation by 1500 - 2k depending on quality of skill cold + another 1500- 2000 depending and short duration 3k to mit and resists. (13s is short, yes?) <div></div>

[TofuPatty]

Ichorstrand does seem to be nothing more than a PvP bow- the DR is higher than Grizzfazzles but that's not really saying much.  The reduction of mobs speed buffs by 20%.... well this isn't eq1 where runners can take off at sow speed if they're not snared or rooted, mobs don't even use speed buffs, it's a pointless effect outside of PvP. <div></div>

[Nak]

I never really thought about it until I was in deathtoll yesturday, having both Ichor + bazkul = unlimited arrows forever! <div></div>

[Fennir]

bazkul has a 5% gleaming strike proc on it now on the test serverhooray?<div></div>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fennir wrote:<BR>bazkul has a 5% gleaming strike proc on it now on the test server<BR><BR>hooray?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well  certainly it is nice that they've finally added back a proc.  And nice that it is a damage proc rather than them just fixing the rather pointless power drain that they removed earlier.  And I suppose that I'll be happy with a working magic based gleaming strike as opposed to something more creative that either isn't implemented or doesn't work.</P> <P>So hooray, I guess.  Might be <STRONG>H</STRONG>ooray if the amount of damage of the proc is at least 250.  Would even be HOORAY if they increased the proc rate to a more appropriate 7% or even 10%.</P>

[Fennir]

i agree i'm glad they're at least adding a proc back on what is basically the best end-game longbow (or what deserves to be at least)but i'm just sick of pure damage procs and even more sick that they started out with something a tad more interesting (on many many items) and threw them all in the crapper in favor of spritzing FT1 and gleaming strikes on everything like its Febreeze<div></div>

[Balerius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fennir wrote:<BR>i agree i'm glad they're at least adding a proc back on what is basically the best end-game longbow (or what deserves to be at least)<BR><BR>but i'm just sick of pure damage procs and even more sick that they started out with something a tad more interesting (on many many items) and threw them all in the crapper in favor of spritzing FT1 and gleaming strikes on everything like its Febreeze<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well, as I said  I'll take a working damage proc, even if it's gleaming strike, over an effect that doesn't work.  I too would prefer a more imaginative proc than gleaming strike.  Having said that, I would still like whatever the effect is to be damage inducing.  Why?  Well, basically to get this bow one has to be in a guild that raids (or a pretty rare and stable high end "alliance" that might as well be a single guild for the purposes of this discussion).  In a high end guild capable of getting this bow, the rangers are pretty much all about dps.  So we might as well get added dps to the bow.</P> <P>Another concern I'd have over having an effect other than a damage proc on the bow is that mobs tend to have limits as to how much they can be affected by debuffs, etc.  I'd hate to have an effect on the bow that is "wasted" because the mob being attacked is already fully debuffed/slowed/dps reduced/etc.</P> <P>Lastly, I don't like the notion of a bow effect that  gives irrelavent "utility".  For example, do you like the effect on the Qeynos Claymore?  I know that I don't.  In the grand scheme of things, it's next to worthless.  So too much imagination in weapon effects isn't necessarily a good thing.</P> <P>So I'd like to keep the effect on this bow as being damage inducing.  But that doesn't have to be a standard DD proc.  It could be a DoT.  Or even better, something like a 10% chance to proc a self buff that increases %crit chance by 25% for 15 seconds(or something like that).  Or perhaps a 10% chance to increase dps by 25% for 15 seconds.  The latter two notions would increase our ranged autoattack, which in my opinion is still subpar.  You get the picture.  Just keep it dps increasing IMHO.</P> <P>***  Oh, and then increase the damage rating of the bow to something between 105 and 110 in order to make good on the still undelivered promise of making bow damage equal to 2-hand weapon damage.</P>