offensive stance broken

[Fennir]

not proccing for anyoneparsed 4 hours of lab today.. nothing=(<div></div>

[Kukuzhong]

Did LoA yesterday and noticed the same thing, not a single quick shot proc! Asking for the parses to confirm this...

[USAFJeeper]

<DIV>You know.. I noticed a small drop in DPS, I never thought to check parses for what procs and poisons were goin goff..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/noob on</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Prandtl]

<DIV>Quick Shot is definitely down.  I checked my logs from raiding last night and soloing today and had 0 (zero) quick shot procs.</DIV> <DIV>And I was wondering what I was doing wrong. It seemed like i was evac'ing alot more then usual today...</DIV>

[Sannavekk]

You are correct . I just bugged it . Brought to my attention and during my raid I looked at my ACT logd and it never went off. this is a big owwie

[TaleraRis]

I've been soloing in Rivervale completely some quests and nope, not a single Quick Shot proc the entire night. <div></div>

[joopW]

Checked yesterday's log,didnt see a single quick shot proc. Seems broken indeeed.

[BedellDelamotte]

Lol...I noticed that I didn't seem to be doing as much damage today also. Glad I checked here. I'll go back on and do a bug report also. If enough of us do it...maybe we will get a fix before the next update?

[TofuPatty]

Glad I checked in here, something did feel..... off.  Checked logs, nada on quickshot procs. /bug'd it in game as well, good catch. <div></div>

[Star]

<DIV>Oh yes, noticed things were off in Labs tonight. Now that I saw this. Looked back, not one proc. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> /bugged</DIV>

[kidpaul]

<div></div><div></div>Went thru this years logs and the last reference to quick shot was this."(1146659871)[Wed May 03 14:37:51 2006] YOUR Quick Shot hits a torpid bloodbloom for 215 points of piercing damage."Shortly after that fight I appaerently went shoping and did some other stuff and then I got this msg."(114666270<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Wed May 03 15:25:08 2006] SYSTEM MESSAGE: Greetings Norrathians!! All servers will be coming down at 7:00 am PDT on Wednesday, May 3rd, 2006 for an update.  Downtime is expected to be 1 hour. Please plan accordingly!!"At that point I camped out. since i only had some odd 30 mins left to kill.So what ever they changed on that day's update is causeing the problem. cause I dont have a single proc from my offensive stance since that day. I even checked thru the log by dmg since I got my new offensive stance later that day even thou the proc has the same name it has increased dmg but quick shot isn't going off at all.Hope this helps.<div></div><p>Message Edited by kidpaul on <span class=date_text>05-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:54 AM</span>

[Keredh]

<DIV>May 3rd was LU23:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any chance that this is the culprit?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Combat ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- A spell's chance to trigger a proc is now adjusted based on its cast time.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Ker</DIV><p>Message Edited by Keredh on <span class=date_text>05-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:49 AM</span>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kidpaul wrote:<BR> Went thru this years logs and the last reference to quick shot was this.<BR><BR>"(1146659871)[Wed May 03 14:37:51 2006] YOUR Quick Shot hits a torpid bloodbloom for 215 points of piercing damage."<BR><BR>Shortly after that fight I appaerently went shoping and did some other stuff and then I got this msg.<BR><BR>"(114666270<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Wed May 03 15:25:08 2006] SYSTEM MESSAGE: Greetings Norrathians!! All servers will be coming down at 7:00 am PDT on Wednesday, May 3rd, 2006 for an update.  Downtime is expected to be 1 hour. Please plan accordingly!!"<BR><BR>At that point I camped out. since i only had some odd 30 mins left to kill.<BR><BR>So what ever they changed on that day's update is causeing the problem. cause I dont have a single proc from my offensive stance since that day. I even checked thru the log by dmg since I got my new offensive stance later that day even thou the proc has the same name it has increased dmg but quick shot isn't going off at all.<BR><BR>Hope this helps. <P>Message Edited by kidpaul on <SPAN class=date_text>05-08-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:54 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats great!  Way to pinpoint the problem <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I know if I went back and checked your other two posts they are likely as spot on as this one <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Thanks again Kidpaul</P> <P>Saihung<BR></P>

[DreV]

<P>I dont use a pars. but I do keep a good eye on my maintained skills/spells/poisens, because I play my Ranger Nightshade style <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and I need to know whats up to do my max dmg.  I have not noticed the offensive prog at all, all day yester day.  It being a 30% chance to prog on ranged, range being the only way I pull it should be going off more then my 25% poisen, but it dose not.</P> <P>my 25% poisen dose for sure heh<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Sannavekk]

<P>I imported my logs into Advanced Combat Tracker from the 3'rd through the 7'th and scanned through dozens of encounters. No quick shot ever.</P> <P>Also, I was surprised at how little my poison procced. Wonder if that is affected as well</P> <P>AND I have Turadramin's Fang. I found only a few instances where this went off  while I was doing my solo writs. (of which i do quite a few) . At least I learned something from going through the parsers, I probably should dump this weapon even though it has a fast speed (1.0) and 5 percent proc and go with one with a higher strength to get more of a benefit overall during non solo encounters. Got me to thinking anyhow So maybe some good came of this effort :smileywink:</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Sannavekk on <span class=date_text>05-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 AM</span>

[USAFJeeper]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keredh wrote:<BR> <DIV>May 3rd was LU23:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any chance that this is the culprit?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Combat ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- A spell's chance to trigger a proc is now adjusted based on its cast time.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Ker</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Keredh on <SPAN class=date_text>05-08-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:49 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I would be willing to bet a plugged nickel this was the culprit.  Sometimes as a ranger...  I feel like a baby seal!  Bring on the clubs!<BR>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> USAFJeeper wrote:<BR> <BR>I would be willing to bet a plugged nickel this was the culprit.  Sometimes as a ranger...  I feel like a baby seal!  Bring on the clubs!<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>ROFL nice</P> <P>I haven't played since Friday, and that was an alt, so I hadn't noticed anything. Thanks for the heads-up, time to start /bugging like mad. </P>

[Jayad]

<P>Poisons are procing well, at least I'm consuming a lot.  Can confirm no quick shots all weekend on Nektulos.</P> <P>Stealth NERF to rangers #@!^*#^!@*#@!*#*@!</P> <P>Just kidding.</P>

[Auriak]

<div></div>Now that you mention it, I checked ACT and Quick Shot has not procced at all for me either.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Colbie]

Parsed a bit this morning, and still no quick shot <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> /roll Assassin....let teh nerfs conitnue! :p j/k<div></div>

[Prandtl]

I suspect this is the classical "breaking something while fixing something else" situation.  At least I <STRONG>hope</STRONG> so!  Some acknowledgement of this issue from a dev would be nice, though.  I can only /bug it so many times.

[USAFJeeper]

<DIV>Are any of the other stances proccing?  Like the bruiser one?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Katsugen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keredh wrote:<BR> <DIV>May 3rd was LU23:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any chance that this is the culprit?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Combat ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- A spell's chance to trigger a proc is now adjusted based on its cast time.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Ker</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Keredh on <SPAN class=date_text>05-08-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:49 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This is very likely the cause. I hope they don't mess to much up trying to fix it. It gets real confusing when you have a melee based weapons proc'ing hostile spell type procs/poisons, and then have items that proc off the procs. I think they might have tried to prevent the whole poison proc'ing issue of the past, and broke it. I did notice I was a little low on the parse, but I figured it was just me slacking it up.</P> <P>-Katsugen</P>

[littleman17]

<DIV>Seeing as how I hardly ever use the offensive stances, I haven't really noticed it not proc'ing. I solo about 70% of my time and keep my defensive stance up because, soloing in the offensive is asking to die imo. Most of the time when I do amazingly find a group, I forget to change stances... and this little over sight has saved my bacon many a times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like the last time I was in the hidden cache... the final goblin boss dude killed our tank and aggro was planted on me. Thanks to the fact that I was still in defence mode, I was able to tank the little (or giant) [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for the last of his 25% health without dropping under 70%.</DIV>

[USAFJeeper]

<DIV>To answer my own question... Bruiser, Assassin,  and Swashbuckler are all working.  The selective ranger club!  EEK!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Lesca]

<P>After a labs run last night, definitely confirmed for me. Not a single Quick Shot proc the entire time. Nada. So whilst SoA is going better now, frankly I'd rather have Quick Shot back as that gave infinitely better dps...</P> <P>Also noticed that whilst normal poisons are going off OK, Turadamin's Fang rarely procs. I don't even recall seeing it go once. So in the end I switched to my old imbued cobalt crescent axe, and bingo - procs again.</P>

[Keredh]

<P>I am assuming we are bugging this... Is it worth a significant post in one of the other forums? With some *gulp* parse data? As someone who always eschewed parsing until the Live Update that dare not speak its name, and who has since abandoned parsing to avoid becoming obsessive, I'm probably not the best person to do it... Just vainly hoping a Dev might see it there, if not here!</P> <P>Ker</P>

[TaleraRis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> littleman17 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Seeing as how I hardly ever use the offensive stances, I haven't really noticed it not proc'ing. I solo about 70% of my time and keep my defensive stance up because, soloing in the offensive is asking to die imo. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You're cheating yourself if you do that. Open with offensive stance on, then click defensive when it gets near you. Most of the time I don't even end up clicking over to defensive because the mob is nearly dead when it gets to me and a Cheap Shot-Backstab sequence finishes it off.</P> <P>I solo 95% of the time, very rarely grouping. I see a huge improvement in the damage I can do when they're still far away when I have offensive up (especially with Quick Shot going off) then when I forget to switch over from defensive, or die and forget to put it back up, etc.<BR></P>

[Jay]

<P>Gwyn is spot-on. Switch your stances multiple times in the same fight if necessary.</P> <P>I actually enjoy this, and I do it all the time on my bruiser (he has three different stances), basically following her model - open in offensive, switch to balanced if I'm taking some hurt, and/or switch to defense if I'm getting hit hard. If the damage keeps on coming, I hit my +500 mit self-buff, and if it's lookin like I may end up in the great dojo in the sky, I punch the OMG button that stuns me for 30 secs but increases my mit by another 1000. Since brawlers can still taunt while stunned, that buff is a godsend in a tight battle. </P>

[Lego]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <P>Gwyn is spot-on. Switch your stances multiple times in the same fight if necessary.</P> <P>I actually enjoy this, and I do it all the time on my bruiser (he has three different stances), basically following her model - open in offensive, switch to balanced if I'm taking some hurt, and/or switch to defense if I'm getting hit hard. If the damage keeps on coming, I hit my +500 mit self-buff, and if it's lookin like I may end up in the great dojo in the sky, I punch the OMG button that stuns me for 30 secs but increases my mit by another 1000. Since brawlers can still taunt while stunned, that buff is a godsend in a tight battle. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I know this will sound odd to a lot of the more veteran rangers out there but I've been soloing with no stance at all lately.  I've found that the lack of defensive stance heplful.  Although, given that we just found out Quick Shot is broken and offensive stance rendered useless, perhaps I should claim some sort of advanced knowledge :smileyvery-happy:<BR>

[Jay]

<P>Not odd at all. You can really look at "no stance" as a stance in and of itself, given that the def and off stances both have drawbacks. No-stance is just the most balanced overall. </P> <P>And FWIW, offensive stance isn't useless, it's just not proc'ing damage from Quick Shot. Yeah, it's pretty lame, but it'll still increase your physical attack skills significantly. </P>

[Fennir]

o stance should be fixed in the next hotfix according to the dev<div></div>

[TaleraRis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lego23 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <P>Gwyn is spot-on. Switch your stances multiple times in the same fight if necessary.</P> <P>I actually enjoy this, and I do it all the time on my bruiser (he has three different stances), basically following her model - open in offensive, switch to balanced if I'm taking some hurt, and/or switch to defense if I'm getting hit hard. If the damage keeps on coming, I hit my +500 mit self-buff, and if it's lookin like I may end up in the great dojo in the sky, I punch the OMG button that stuns me for 30 secs but increases my mit by another 1000. Since brawlers can still taunt while stunned, that buff is a godsend in a tight battle.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I know this will sound odd to a lot of the more veteran rangers out there but I've been soloing with no stance at all lately.  I've found that the lack of defensive stance heplful.  Although, given that we just found out Quick Shot is broken and offensive stance rendered useless, perhaps I should claim some sort of advanced knowledge :smileyvery-happy:<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Not odd at all. I use offensive for the boost I get in those first few seconds, and I've gotten in the habit of popping into defensive because I really go down like paper if I get a lot of mobs beating on me. But it's entirely plausible to start with offensive for the damage boost, then just turn it off and have nothing. Try using it just when you pull. I know I do see a difference, and there's nothing that says you have to keep it on afterward.<BR>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fennir wrote:<BR>o stance should be fixed in the next hotfix according to the dev<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Is our O Stance like the Oh Face? </P> <P>"OH! OH! OH!"</P> <P>I guess such a stance would tend to be horizontal, no?</P>

[Prandtl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>I guess such a stance would tend to be horizontal, no?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Not for felines, I don't think  :smileywink:<BR>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">I can't believe you just said that  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><div></div>

[Jay]

True, nobody ever talks about doing it kitty-style, just doggie-style. Why does it always have to be about race?? /sigh

[Prandtl]

<DIV> <P>kitty style FTW!    maybe that's what Marshal Dillon and Festus were always smiling</P> <P>to re-track the thread.  A dev stated that a fix to quick shot will be in the next hot-fix!!</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by Prandtl on <span class=date_text>05-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:04 PM</span>

[TaleraRis]

ROFL Kae <div></div>

[Teksun]

Kitty style = rough <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Taubin]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Teksun wrote:Kitty style = rough <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>*perk* o.OI'll take two than <span>:smileywink:</span></div><p>Message Edited by GTaubin on <span class=date_text>05-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:31 AM</span>

[Prandtl]

<DIV>why stop at two?  I recommend a 12 pack or a case!</DIV>

[Sulas]

Kitty-style, a very offensive stance... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> True, nobody ever talks about doing it kitty-style, just doggie-style. Why does it always have to be about race?? /sigh<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hrmm....this must be a topic from the bruiser forums <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>In this rare instance ignore the last line on my posts</P> <P>Sai</P>

[Jay]

[Removed for Content], kitty-style doesn't result in bruises, just some minor scratches. Oh, and teeth-marks, of course. :smileyvery-happy:

[Prandtl]

<P>Sometimes sneezes, for those of us who are allergic</P>

[Vlath]

<P>todays update:</P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Combat ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- Quick shot will now proc for Rangers.<BR> </P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Really they listen.</P>

[Jay]

Gee, how sweet of them. :smileyindifferent:

[TaleraRis]

What about amphibian-style? What is amphibian style anyway..... <div></div>

[KnightOfTheWo]

<div></div>Great Scott, I'm innocently surfing the posts, I see this nice thread about the Ranger offensive stance, and it's about...doing it kitty/amphibian/doggy style??!!???!!!! And BOTH Kae and Cat are posting in this thread??? My innocent tranquility has been shattered...<span>:smileysurprised:</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by KnightOfTheWord on <span class=date_text>05-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:32 PM</span>

[Prandtl]

I'm just glad that they weren't making fun of human-style!  :smileysurprised:

[Cirro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vlath wrote:<BR> <P>todays update:</P> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Combat ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- Quick shot will now proc for Rangers.<BR> </P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Really they listen.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>- Quick shot will now proc for Rangers, but we decided to re-break Stream of Arrows</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Star]

<DIV>So SoA is lagging between shots again?</DIV>

[USAFJeeper]

<P>I commented the other day on my guild board, and I include myself...   It is amazing how grateful we are when they fix a proc that should not have been broked anyway.  Our top CAs still lag behind Asssassin CAs, we still dont get an upgrade to Sniper shot,  SoA and Trap are still broken, Triple Arrow and Precision shot draw peals of laughter from mobs,  yet like the well clubbed rangers we are we bow and scrape for scraps from the master.</P> <P>Ah well back to logging on just to summon arrows.  What fun!</P> <P>Good thing I like being a ranger or  I might be construed as bitter and angry!</P>

[Jay]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KnightOfTheWord wrote: Great Scott, I'm innocently surfing the posts, I see this nice thread about the Ranger offensive stance, and it's about...doing it kitty/amphibian/doggy style??!!???!!!! And BOTH Kae and Cat are posting in this thread??? My innocent tranquility has been shattered...<SPAN>:smileysurprised:</SPAN> <P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes, even Cat and I will sometimes descend into sexual innuendo and other zany hijinks. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>Amphibian style, though?? Yikes... I don't even WANT to know how frogs do it. Probably with lots of croaking, huh Gwyn? LOL </P>