View Full Version : Quick guide how to boost your DPS
LoreLady
04-27-2006, 07:34 PM
For those of you without poise - you will notice a moderate diffrence in dps, for those of you with poise. You will notice a very large diffrence.First off, let me state that we have melee and ranged abilities for a reason. You cycle through both, the trick is doing this effectively.Second, remember. All melee abilities can be used while moving - if you arent in that "sweet spot" learn how to get in it quickly. Culling of the weak may be used while moving, as well as the thermal shocker (quick quest in bonemire)for times you are out of range and want to get in melee range while still doing damage.The sweet spot is the point at wich you can use both melee abilities and ranged abilities. This is 5m behind the mob (right click on your spell and click examine it will tell you distance)When the fight starts move up to the mob and use snipe, and vines to debuff the mob. In this time it should be sufficiant for you to get behind the mob and find that sweet spot. Alot of time it requires the tank to be perdictable, and for you to try and guess there movements. If at all possible bug your tank to turn the mobs.. So that his back is into the unknown, and the rest of the group is in add free space.. Heres a craptacular diagram<<<>>> Unexplored area <<<>>>> Tank <<<>>>> Mob <<<>>> You, and the rest of the groupThe next thing you need to do is realize that auto attack makes up a HUGE portion of your DPS, and you need to learn what actually does the t1 damage isent our abilities its auto attack and how to constantly apply it. Using an ability thats has minor damage will cycle on ranged attack - with a good chance of doing 1k damage - even if the ability your using is only for 500 damage. (It took me a long time to realize this). Now for actuall combat, when you start up - debuff the mob with your snare and your defensive debuff. Then hit focus aim and start pegging it out with Devilitizing arrow, culling of the weak, tripple volly, maricle shot, confusion arrow (if you have poise - finish it with precise shot) - Then cycle to melee use arrow rip, lunging joust, mortal reminder, shocking thrust, - Then use longblade, with rangers blade.Now - here is where most rangers start lacking in DPS.. Use either snaring shot, or precise shot to get that auto attack off. Then use surviel and stealthy fire. By this time all your backstabs are set upNow you will have shocking thrust up with your backstabs ready, use shocking thrust longblade, with emberstrike (use longblade and emberstrike as often as you can, even if you have many of your archery abilities up - archery alone doesnt hold DPS)Now you should start seeing precise shot shot, and confusion arrow come back up - along with many melee abilities (arrow rip, lunging joust)Continue this cycle as much as you can.I know this can be a tad confusing but the general summary is - use all your abilities, and learn how to cycle them to achieve a stable DPS rating instead of having spikes.
<DIV>I want to add something here in regards to the sweet spot. I tested this one night in a grp. At the sweet spot (which is 5m as stated) your melee AA does not function. I believe that the max range on that is 2m. To get max DPS you can not just sit on the sweet spot and fire off CAs as you will miss a large number of melee AA chances. I try not to move farther than the sweet spot when using ranged, but when moving to melee CAs I get in close to the mob to ensure my melee AA is working.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another tip, Compare the DR of your bow to the DR of your melee weapons. I only use Honed Reflexes and Killing Instinct (the self haste and dps buffs) when I'm in melee if I can help it as the DR of my 2 melee weapons is a good 30 points higher than my bow.</DIV>
Shaulin Dolamite
04-27-2006, 10:08 PM
<DIV>I see Honed reflexs mentioned alot but not sure what CA this is? For haste I have cloak of the forest and for dps I have killer instincts, I dont see honed reflexs anywhere in those CA lines or in any others, am I missing something?</DIV>
nukebo
04-27-2006, 10:10 PM
<DIV>i wanted to say as a reply to stararrow: i think bow autoattack with killing instinct and honed reflexes might be higher than DW</DIV> <DIV>point is that there is a minimum delay time (1.2 seconds i think) thus making u unable to benefit from the full power of honed reflexes (and shroud of the forest for that matter too)</DIV> <DIV>this really depends on which items u r using but u will notice that a weapon with a 1.2 delay doesnt attack every 0.6 seconds</DIV> <DIV>when 100% haste buffed. i really aint sure about much things here but i think this subject needs some testing.</DIV> <DIV>so i think that if ure delay on DW weaps is low then u might prefer using ure bow ( not to mention increased crit rates most of</DIV> <DIV>the rangers have)</DIV>
<DIV>There is no minimum delay time. I'll edit this with the Dev post to that effect once I find it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: Here it is:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=100167#M100167" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=100167#M100167</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Crit rates are a good point and I've been working out the math on how much DPS you can expect to see over a long average from a 1% increase in crits. Unfortunately it's not easy because of the way crit DMG is calculated. I would say that if you took a large number of points in the ranged crit AA and the combined DR of your DWs is not that much higher than the DR of your bow then you're prolly better off with ranged AA + Honed + Killing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Honed Reflexes is one of the CAs added in one of the Adventure Packs. I for get which one for sure but unless you have the adventure pack you cannot obtain the CA if I recall.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by jwmaynar on <SPAN class=date_text>04-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:23 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by jwmaynar on <span class=date_text>04-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:27 AM</span>
Carna
04-27-2006, 10:23 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shaulin Dolamite wrote:<BR> <DIV>I see Honed reflexs mentioned alot but not sure what CA this is? For haste I have cloak of the forest and for dps I have killer instincts, I dont see honed reflexs anywhere in those CA lines or in any others, am I missing something?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm not logged in at the moment, so somebody correct me if I say something in error.... you'll have to buy (probably an adept 3) from the broker/crafter... I believe it's a level 35 quest reward from the adventure pack that's not Splitpaw <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I bought mine.</P>
Shaulin Dolamite
04-27-2006, 10:34 PM
Wow didnt know that so it must have came out with Bloodlines or what ever, what lvl is the spell so i know what rare for the ad3. I have all expansions and adventure packs so getting the adept 3 made should alow me to scribe it. And does honed reflex haste stack with our cloak of the forest? If so then I imagine we should always be 100% haste?
It does stack but it is not an always on ability. It's like a 1min buff with a 5min recast or something like that. Don't remember the exact numbers.
If you do the bloodlines quest series you can get the app 2 of it from the vendors up there after awhile. The faster way would just be to snag a rare for that tier (I think it's a lvl 35 skill) and get an ad3 made.
Gallendo
04-28-2006, 01:35 AM
<DIV>Honed Reflexes is a level 35 spell. </DIV> <DIV>It's only available from a jeweler or broker. </DIV> <DIV>Adp3 requires a Opal.</DIV> <DIV>App3 is the one that became available with Splitpaw saga.</DIV> <DIV>Each receipe can be found in a special jeweler's book.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are on Splitpaw look me up and I'll make you one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gaveral - 41 Ranger/47 Jeweler of Splitpaw</DIV>
LoreLady
04-28-2006, 02:42 AM
<div></div>The reason I do these things this way, is because although DW may have a higher DR.. when you use CA's you cannot auto attack while using those CA's. So your getting high DPS out of your abilities but your not getting high dps out ofyour melee. Your bow on the other hand, will do its full potental in one foul swoop. Where melee you would have to sit and wait and do nothing to get the same effect.And that "sweet spot" is anywhere between 2-5 meters. Does not exceed 5m.<p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class=date_text>04-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:43 PM</span>
StealthM0
04-28-2006, 06:42 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gallendorf wrote:<BR> <DIV>Honed Reflexes is a level 35 spell. </DIV> <DIV>It's only available from a jeweler or broker. </DIV> <DIV>Adp3 requires a Opal.</DIV> <DIV>App3 is the one that became available with Splitpaw saga.</DIV> <DIV>Each receipe can be found in a special jeweler's book.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you are on Splitpaw look me up and I'll make you one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gaveral - 41 Ranger/47 Jeweler of Splitpaw</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just want to clarify. You dont need the adv pack to get this. I have it and have no adv packs. Just get a jeweler with the scribed book to craft it for you. And you also don't need to exclusively get an opal. For the time being you can use opal OR ruthenium for this ca upgrade. Lastly, this is changing in 7-8 weeks with the crafting revamp (lu24), after that you will have to use a LOAM I bet (one that isnt added to the nodes yet). I know fighter/scout upgrades are getting altered to the loam only in a near future update (probably lu24 as well).
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LoreLady wrote:<BR> The reason I do these things this way, is because although DW may have a higher DR.. when you use CA's you cannot auto attack while using those CA's. So your getting high DPS out of your abilities but your not getting high dps out ofyour melee. Your bow on the other hand, will do its full potental in one foul swoop. Where melee you would have to sit and wait and do nothing to get the same effect.<BR><BR>And that "sweet spot" is anywhere between 2-5 meters. Does not exceed 5m.<BR> <P>Message Edited by LoreLady on <SPAN class=date_text>04-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:43 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The point is though that when you are doing a melee cycle your melee CAs will turn off ranged AA and turn on melee AA. If you are not within range to use your melee AA then you are missing AA chances all together. Melee AA queues up and fires as soon as the delay is up inbetween CAs just as ranged does. Also DW weapons queue up on their own delays. If you have 2 weapons with a 1.2 delay you will hit with both every 1.2 seconds so DWs also do their full potental in one foul swoop.
LoreLady
04-30-2006, 05:31 AM
<div><blockquote><hr>jwmaynar wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> LoreLady wrote: <div></div>The reason I do these things this way, is because although DW may have a higher DR.. when you use CA's you cannot auto attack while using those CA's. So your getting high DPS out of your abilities but your not getting high dps out ofyour melee. Your bow on the other hand, will do its full potental in one foul swoop. Where melee you would have to sit and wait and do nothing to get the same effect.And that "sweet spot" is anywhere between 2-5 meters. Does not exceed 5m. <p>Message Edited by LoreLady on <span class="date_text">04-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:43 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>The point is though that when you are doing a melee cycle your melee CAs will turn off ranged AA and turn on melee AA. If you are not within range to use your melee AA then you are missing AA chances all together. Melee AA queues up and fires as soon as the delay is up inbetween CAs just as ranged does. Also DW weapons queue up on their own delays. If you have 2 weapons with a 1.2 delay you will hit with both every 1.2 seconds so DWs also do their full potental in one foul swoop.<hr></blockquote>Ok - lets break this down for a second on exaccly what I mean..(melee CA 500 damage) - 0.5sec recovery, two hits at 125- (melee CA for 500) - 0.5 sec recovery - two hits 125 (melee CA for 500) (repeat two more times) out of melee CA's.. (ranged CA for 800) - 0.5 sec recovery, 1k ranged auto attack (Ranged CA for 1500) (ranged attack for 1200) - (backstab for 1800 (including longblade))- melee 125 x2. (Ranged CA for 300 damage) - Auto ranged attack for 1k.This is a very basic way of showing things, but you get the idea. A 7 delay bow at 100% haste will allow a 3.5 recast, this means you can get melee, ranged backstabs etc.. Again, this is a very basic idea of what I mean, but if you look at your abilities - you know what I mean. I am using 125, and 1k as rough variables for auto attack, and ranged.. And if I am not mistaken they are roughly where your damage is at.</div>
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