Please Stop Whining!

[Caliga]

My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, its making us look really useless and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.   I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.   It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level.<div></div>

[Steezi]

<div></div>I fully agree PD... We lost most of our value in groups because of their knowledge of our nerf,  not the nerf itself... When everymemeber of a class begins to say their worthless, why should other classes disagree?

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>So your saying you used melee for the most part pre LU20??? Lol, I would have to say that I doubt anyone would invite you back to a group after doing that. Any good reason as to why you would melee for the most part???? Seems kinds stupid to me. And people are smart to take other classes over rangers now in groups as our DPS does suck and needs serious fixing.</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ([Removed for Content]) ranger</p>

[Caliga]

Because pre-LU 13 I was only level 25.   I left the game for a year and  came back, so I never learned the playstyle that is common to today's ranger.  Okay? And maybe your dps sucks, but I've put ridiculous amounts of money into this character and I've been parsing right where I am supposed to be.   And people aren't really picking other classes over rangers if they are still looking for someone to fill the slot.  They are just refusing to group with rangers and thats a load of crap, cause I am just as capable of doing my job now as I was then.<div></div>

[Wozicasamoll]

<div></div>Besides...... <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=25747">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=25747</a>

[KannaWhoopass]

<div>Yes our DPS is too low</div><div> </div><div>Yes other classes are being chosen before we are.</div><div> </div><div>Yes my Raid leader has asked me to sit on our first x4 raids in new zone because others could do more DPS. and buff and debuff mobs better.</div><div> </div><div>if you are a hand to hand yer mobs no wonder yer dps hasn't changed it sucked before and would suck now.</div><div> </div><div>The changes to our auto attack is less than inspiring .. it a token gesture at best id say but because it is better than nothing .. well we will see</div><div> </div><div>i dont see our auto attack going off that often .. with long recast timers on ca's they could boost it by 300% and i bet the difference would not be overpowering .. well perhaps 300% would be cool ... but 30% wont do squat. </div>

[subari]

<div>Nothing has changed for me post LU20, because groups when looking for DPS allways prefered a mage instead of a predator. And if they were looking for a scout they preffered Troubas. Even pre LU20 i have spend hours beeing LFG.</div>

[Azzazal]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Because pre-LU 13 I was only level 25.   I left the game for a year and  came back, so I never learned the playstyle that is common to today's ranger.  Okay? And maybe your dps sucks, but I've put ridiculous amounts of money into this character and I've been parsing right where I am supposed to be.   And people aren't really picking other classes over rangers if they are still looking for someone to fill the slot.  They are just refusing to group with rangers and thats a load of crap, cause I am just as capable of doing my job now as I was then.<hr></blockquote>/sigh</span></div>

[Ai064]

<div></div><p>I listen to my uncle talk about never being able to get a group, even in Sanctum of Scaleborn which always has 3 zones up, on his 62 ranger.  I log on my 61 monk and snag a group invite within 5 minutes.  My mighty monkly 300dps gets a group invite first!  Or possibly the utility I bring with group FD, self FD (can still rez the healer and get back in business), group haste, avoidance buff, and of course offtanking/maintanking.  That's the problem though, I have medium dps imo and a fair amount of utility.  My ranger has medium dps at best and negligent utility.</p><p>Leave my monk alone though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111</p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, <font size="4">its making us look really useless</font> and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... <font size="4">I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before</font>.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.   <font size="4">I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.</font>   It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, <font size="4">if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level</font>.<div></div><p></p><p></p><hr><p> </p><p>The enlarged text is what really just blew my mind, it seems like you are blaming the folks who complained about the LU20 changes.  You also seem to think that your DPS is the same post LU20 as it was before...you cant seriously believe that, its too ridiculous, I must be wrong.</p><p>If someone told you that rangers arent DPS anymore they were mistaken, we are a broken DPS class...with no utility...so technically they were right.   We dont do enough DPS to make us attractive to groups, we need more.</p><p>Let me ask you a question.  When you say "keep your chin up", are you really saying keep your comments to yourself and dont post complaints about this class?  Because that is how I read the line after "If not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level."  </p><p>I make no apologies for my complaints, I do apologize for the zeal and nature of my posts sometimes.  There are times I can be downright ugly in a reply.  However, I am not happy with the state of Rangers right now...as such, I will complain.  I will try to get changes.   I am sorry if this appears to be hurting your PuG experience. </p><p>I do all this because I do love this class.  I dont want to be forgotten because we are silent in our protests. </p><p>Sai</p><p></p></blockquote></div>

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, its making us look really useless and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.   I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.   It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level.<div></div><hr></blockquote>do what i did.. switch to an alt.. i have discovered the hidden DPS that is the Guardian .. lvl 52 in a group parsing above any Rangers i have grouped with so far .. woot!.solo, much easier time killing than with my Ranger.. Guardians FTW !</span></div>

[Caliga]

I don't wanna play an alt.  My ranger is fine.  Oh well, at first I just thought everyone was exaggerating because no one liked to be nerfed.  But now I realize they people really do think they are useless now...  Can't argue with perception.   And for your information, half bow/half melee does quite a bit of damage, I still come out t1 on parses even with rogues and wizards in the group.   So if I suck meleeing, then they must be asleep at the keyboard.   The only way I was able to recreate the conditions where a ranger couldn't do anything was to use a high upfront dot in aggressive stance.  It took some experimenting to see what people were upset about.  When I partnered with a friend and I kept killing yellows before they reached us, she was hard pressed to believe I'm suffering as a ranger.Yes the nerf was too much.  But it didn't turn us into walking dolies.<div></div>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:I don't wanna play an alt.  My ranger is fine.  Oh well, at first I just thought everyone was exaggerating because no one liked to be nerfed.  But now I realize they people really do think they are useless now...  Can't argue with perception.   And for your information, half bow/half melee does quite a bit of damage, I still come out t1 on parses even with rogues and wizards in the group.   So if I suck meleeing, then they must be asleep at the keyboard.   The only way I was able to recreate the conditions where a ranger couldn't do anything was to use a high upfront dot in aggressive stance.  It took some experimenting to see what people were upset about.  When I partnered with a friend and I kept killing yellows before they reached us, she was hard pressed to believe I'm suffering as a ranger.Yes the nerf was too much.  But it didn't turn us into walking dolies.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I personally have always used what skills are available to me...if my bow ca's are not up I use melee, anyone would be a fool to not use the melee when available and viable.  But as a char. increases level, the gameplay changes....I have not heard much from the lower level rangers since post LU20.   Lower level characters do not play the same as higher level.   That is just a fact you will have to accept (or not <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</p><p>You are level 25...I believe...wait till you get all of your class ca's, wait till you get the class defining abilities at much higher levels...then you may notice what we mean.  Till then, dont call us whiners for seeing and experiencing things that we do not like...and having the nerve to complain.   You may not like it, but it certainly isnt what affects your gameplay.  </p><p>I dont think I am useless, I know my character at level 50 is far from desirable to most experienced groups.  And that should not be the case.  A 50th level ranger should be a beast when it comes to damage compared to non DPS classes...they should be in awe of our DPS numbers.  Especially with the lack of utility.</p><p>So, I am very happy that the LU20 nerf has not affected your ability to play effectively.  Also, if you have regular groups you play with and they are still with you all the better.  But as far as I am concerned, my only character is a ranger, I dont play my alts, and I am upset about this...</p><p>Good Luck</p><p>Sai</p>

[Caliga]

<--- is a 47 Ranger<div></div>

[Huntress Jellica]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, its making us look really useless and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.  <font size="4"><b> <font color="#ffff99">I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.</font></b></font><font color="#ffffcc"><font color="#ffff99"> </font> </font> It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level.<div></div><hr></blockquote>You're Caliga, right? From Befallen.Well, I'm that 'alt' in question, though in actuality my ranger is my main. Has been since I started in August.. or September. Whenever the school year started. At the time I was on an alt, and the reason for playing my alt: my boyfriend was at work. I always duo with his warden. Works well, but not so well when he's not there to duo with... go figure. So when I'm on and he's not, I play alts.Anyway. I was browsing the forums before heading to class when I saw your post, and I'm pretty sure it's you. I'd just like to clarify what I said. I didn't say rangers aren't DPS anymore, I made a -joke- about the DPS arriving. The druid in our group said, "We can handle <insert mob here> since we have more DPS." And I, running to the zone still on my conjuror replied, "Coming from personal experience... what DPS? No offense," with a smiley to show that I was kidding, one of those big goofy 'don't take me seriously' smileys, since i -know- we are still capable of very good DPS. Doesn't help that the other night I was parsing in the 100's, having a brigand and a swashbuckler out DPSing me by at least 200 DPS, consistently. Once I even let my boyfriend's warden out DPS me, just so the group would get a laugh out of it.. and they did, then I took back my spot as third highest (sometimes spiking into second, go me!)I love my ranger, I've been a ranger since Kunark in EQ1, up til now (with about a 1 year break in there.. give or take). I've played when the class sucked more than any other, to when it's been better than any other. I'll be the first to admit that we were doing something far beyond what we should have been able to do up until LU20, but now, to be slapped down to T2 DPS is just sad. But, unlike some people I know, I am not a fairweather fan, I will not be changing my main to any of my other characters,even though I have several high 30's-mid 40's alts that would be easily leveled up to where I am right now. I will stick with my ranger, because she is my baby, and she always will be, even if SOE took away her bow, her arrows, and her cool dress.. er, I mean her swords. No girly dresses here, no sir! <span>:smileywink: *shifty eyes*</span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Huntress Jellica on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:39 AM</span></p>

[Ranja]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:Because pre-LU 13 I was only level 25.   I left the game for a year and  came back, so I never learned the playstyle that is common to today's ranger.  Okay? <strong>And maybe your dps sucks,</strong> but I've put ridiculous amounts of money into this character and I've been parsing right where I am supposed to be.   And people aren't really picking other classes over rangers if they are still looking for someone to fill the slot.  They are just refusing to group with rangers and thats a load of crap, cause I am just as capable of doing my job now as I was then.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>This made me laugh. Leoric, perhaps the best outfitted ranger I know, and PD telling him his DPS sucks. haha that is a good one!</p><p>Also, if you dont know how you are affected by this change then you were never playing your ranger to full DPS. You said you never used a high DD poison before the LU, well then that right there tells me you were missing out on a ton of DPS. You also said you never used aggressive stance ( I assume you meant offensive) Again you are missing out a on a ton of DPS. So, by your own admission, you never used a high DD poison and never used offensive stance, mind you both these things account for 35%-50% of our DPS, you were definately not playing your ranger to its utmost potential. No wonder why you did not see a change, you were doing  50% of your potential damage before the nerf and now you are stilling doing 50% which is now a 100%.</p><p>Ignorance can be bliss!</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan62 Ranger</p><p>Message Edited by bentgate on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:17 AM</span></p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:<--- is a 47 Ranger<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I cant say what it is then Pink...I just know when playing my ranger it is nowhere near what is acceptable to me.  I have great hope for the changes proposed by jared (Lockeye).  So much so that I have stopped my aggressive approach to getting the ranger looked at...I mean I havent been banned in over 3 or 4 days <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Relax...if anyone says "Youre not one of those whiny rangers are you?" when looking for a group just tell them...nah, that was Saihung.  lol.</p><p>I appreciate your positive attitude like I said before, and I am glad to see your posts...but what youre seeing and what I am experiencing just dont jive...but what really matters is that we have been looked at.  Lockeye has determined that at the very least SOME of what us whiners were complaining about was true. And they will take actions to remedy this.</p><p>For that alone I am immensely grateful...I know I am right in my concerns about DPS (not that you are wrong), and my concerns are to be addressed.</p><p>Good Luck</p><p>Sai</p>

[Caliga]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:Because pre-LU 13 I was only level 25.   I left the game for a year and  came back, so I never learned the playstyle that is common to today's ranger.  Okay? <strong>And maybe your dps sucks,</strong> but I've put ridiculous amounts of money into this character and I've been parsing right where I am supposed to be.   And people aren't really picking other classes over rangers if they are still looking for someone to fill the slot.  They are just refusing to group with rangers and thats a load of crap, cause I am just as capable of doing my job now as I was then.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>This made me laugh. Leoric, perhaps the best outfitted ranger I know, and PD telling him his DPS sucks. haha that is a good one!</p><p>Also, if you dont know how you are affected by this change then you were never playing your ranger to full DPS. You said you never used a high DD poison before the LU, well then that right there tells me you were missing out on a ton of DPS. You also said you never used aggressive stance ( I assume you meant offensive) Again you are missing out a on a ton of DPS. So, by you saying, that you never used a high DD poison and never used offensive stance, mind you both these things account for 35%-50% of our DPS, you were definately not playing your ranger to its utmost potential. No wonder why you did not see a change, you were doing  50% of your potential damage before the nerf and now you are stilling doing 50% which is now a 100%.</p><p>Ignorance can be bliss!</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan62 Ranger</p><hr></blockquote>You are right.  That is what I was saying.  I was exploiting the proc bug because I didn't know about it.  So when it was gone, I never missed it.   And during all that time I was never useless.   I wasn't doing 50% over other T1 classes like other rangers were which caused the nerf.  But I was still T1.   I know most people must feel really bad losing so much dps, but come on, are we really being out dpsed by guardians?This thread is not going where I hoped.  Nevermind, weep away.  I withdraw my request.  It's easier to find a group than to convince a ranger he doesn't suck.</span></div>

[Caliga]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Huntress Jellica wrote:<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, its making us look really useless and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.  <font size="4"><b> <font color="#ffff99">I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.</font></b></font><font color="#ffffcc"><font color="#ffff99"> </font> </font> It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level.<div></div><hr></blockquote>You're Caliga, right? From Befallen.Well, I'm that 'alt' in question, though in actuality my ranger is my main. Has been since I started in August.. or September. Whenever the school year started. At the time I was on an alt, and the reason for playing my alt: my boyfriend was at work. I always duo with his warden. Works well, but not so well when he's not there to duo with... go figure. So when I'm on and he's not, I play alts.Anyway. I was browsing the forums before heading to class when I saw your post, and I'm pretty sure it's you. I'd just like to clarify what I said. I didn't say rangers aren't DPS anymore, I made a -joke- about the DPS arriving. The druid in our group said, "We can handle since we have more DPS." And I, running to the zone still on my conjuror replied, "Coming from personal experience... what DPS? No offense," with a smiley to show that I was kidding, one of those big goofy 'don't take me seriously' smileys, since i -know- we are still capable of very good DPS. Doesn't help that the other night I was parsing in the 100's, having a brigand and a swashbuckler out DPSing me by at least 200 DPS, consistently. Once I even let my boyfriend's warden out DPS me, just so the group would get a laugh out of it.. and they did, then I took back my spot as third highest (sometimes spiking into second, go me!)I love my ranger, I've been a ranger since Kunark in EQ1, up til now (with about a 1 year break in there.. give or take). I've played when the class sucked more than any other, to when it's been better than any other. I'll be the first to admit that we were doing something far beyond what we should have been able to do up until LU20, but now, to be slapped down to T2 DPS is just sad. But, unlike some people I know, I am not a fairweather fan, I will not be changing my main to any of my other characters,even though I have several high 30's-mid 40's alts that would be easily leveled up to where I am right now. I will stick with my ranger, because she is my baby, and she always will be, even if SOE took away her bow, her arrows, and her cool dress.. er, I mean her swords. No girly dresses here, no sir! <span>:smileywink: *shifty eyes*</span>Jellica Isilme`Lindir57 Ranger, hunter of shiniesBefallen Server<u>Heroes</u></span><div></div><hr></blockquote>ROFLMAO.  Paint a target on me why don't ya?</span></div>

[Cron]

<hr><blockquote>pinkdove80 wrote:<div></div></blockquote>ROFLMAO.  Paint a target on me why don't ya?</span><hr>Personally I tend not to worry about posts that are anonymous in the first place. If anything, she gave you more credibility since you remained unsigned.For the record, PD.. I didn't know about the exploit and had fast weapons and my ironwood bow. From what I read, that wouldn't have taken advantage of it (slow weapons took advantage of increasing procs). If you mean to say that using High DD poisons and your offensive stance is an exploitation, clearly you are wrong. Those are what we are *suppose* to be using. That's like saying a tank is exploiting by using his rightfully given taunts.Judging by what I have read, I would say they are right. You weren't living up to your potential as being a Ranger so don't know what you are missing. Even now you could improve yourself by changing those two simple practices and it's 100% legit and called for.

[Ai064]

<div></div><p><em>ROFLMAO.  Paint a target on me why don't ya?</em></p><p><em></em> </p><p>I thought that boards weren't supposed to be used //anon.  I mean if you have such a strong viewpoint stand up and shout it out.  I'm sickened by what happened to rangers (only to the degree it happened.....I was never against lowering our dps.  We were crazy dps no doubt about it) and I've been verbal about it and yes, even antagonistic to the class/es I feel whined the loudest to get the nerf put in place.  But I wear the name of my two main characters proudly and stand up for my opinion.  I'll deal with the consequences when they come. </p><p> </p>

[A]

<div>We are rangers.</div><div>We beg, we threaten, we cry as soon as you change our class...</div><div> </div><div>Rangers,</div><div>the many, the unworthy....</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>PS : I'm sure missing the pre LU 13 boards when players hadn't flocked to the rangers class in numbers..</div>

[A]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Ai064 wrote:<div></div><p>I listen to my uncle talk about never being able to get a group, even in Sanctum of Scaleborn which always has 3 zones up, on his 62 ranger.  I log on my 61 monk and snag a group invite within 5 minutes.  My mighty monkly 300dps gets a group invite first!  Or possibly the utility I bring with group FD, self FD (can still rez the healer and get back in business), group haste, avoidance buff, and of course offtanking/maintanking.  That's the problem though, I have medium dps imo and a fair amount of utility.  My ranger has medium dps at best and negligent utility.</p><p>Leave my monk alone though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111</p><hr></blockquote><p>I can't put lfg flag for more than 5 minutes when we are organizing raids in Sinking Sands for Court or Gates without being invited in a random Sanctuum or Devourer group...</p><p>I have been top dps in every parsing group I have joined since KoS has been out ( granted because most wizards are overly cautious and don't nuke nearly as much as they could... Yeah supposedly assassins are a tonn better than us now, only issue is in 2 weeks since KoS has been out I have yet to group with an assassin, know what ? There's hardly any left... Check the rooster of all the raiding guilds, they all have 3 times more rangers than assassins....). I have been in numerous groups with 2 rangers( me + another), even once with 3 of them and we never had any problem getting the job done... There's twice as many rangers 65+ than assassins right now on Antonya Bayle. If rangers were as bad as most of you tried to make them look like, they wouldn't be there ( or explain me how a ranger got 65 when they can't solo and noone will group them ?... ).</p><p> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Ail on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:43 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Ail on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:47 AM</span></p>

[Ai064]

<div></div><p><em>If rangers were as bad as most of you tried to make them look like, they wouldn't be there ( or explain me how a ranger got 65 when they can't solo and noone will group them ?... ).</em></p><p><em></em> </p><p>Friends and guildies <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p>Seriously I'm finally burning out on my angst against the ranger nerfs.  Man it took a while but now I"m just tired.  I can't even bring myself to bash other classes and scream for their nerfs.  Whew that took a lot of energy being that angry and vindictive.  Still not going to play my ranger cause I don't trust SOE but hopefully I can relax and enjoy my other class.  (till they nerf him).</p><p> </p>

[Saihung23]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Ail wrote:</p><p>I can't put lfg flag for more than 5 minutes when we are organizing raids in Sinking Sands for Court or Gates without being invited in a random Sanctuum or Devourer group...</p><p>I have been top dps in every parsing group I have joined since KoS has been out ( granted because most wizards are overly cautious and don't nuke nearly as much as they could... Yeah supposedly assassins are a ton better than us now, only issue is in 2 weeks since KoS has been out I have yet to group with an assassin, know what ? <font size="4">There's hardly any left... Check the rooster of all the raiding guilds,</font> they all have 3 times more rangers than assassins....). I have been in numerous groups with 2 rangers( me + another), even once with 3 of them and we never had any problem getting the job done... There's twice as many rangers 65+ than assassins right now on Antonya Bayle. <font size="4">If rangers were as bad as most of you tried to make them look like, they wouldn't be there ( or explain me how a ranger got 65 when they can't solo and noone will group them ?... ).</font></p><p> </p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Ail on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:43 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Ail on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:47 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>The ranger population isnt an indication of anything except that when the rangers were the flavor of the month everyone and their grandpappy all of a sudden broke out their ranger alts or created one.  I am very happy for you getting into groups.  I have no doubt once the changes proposed by Lockeye go into effect, all problems with grouping will diminish greatly.</p><p>As for the second line enlarged, what do you think?  People were playing rangers long before LU20 happened, population of rangers jumped after changes made rangers downright killers.  Every raid group had multiple rangers in them...and why wouldnt they?  Rangers were overpowered at that point due to a proc error.</p><p>Rangers didnt get from 1-60 with the problems existant at this time. Going from 60-65 isnt impossible...but what makes you think they did not have experience built up?</p><p>Sorry Ail, not flaming you so I hope you dont come back at me with an attitude, but your arguments are easy to refute.  Especially when saying that "If rangers were as bad as most of you tried to make them look like, they wouldn't be there ( or explain me how a ranger got 65 when they can't solo and noone will group them ?... )."    You seem to want to make us seem to be exagerating our problems but in reality...the Dev's saw it, and that is what matters most.  As long as they see the problems...I dont care if everyone else never sees it.</p><p>Take Care</p><p>Saihung</p>

[Huntress Jellica]

<div></div>I, too, will admit I was one of those rangers that whined about it. But I've gotten over it, I've moved on, and I'm still enjoying my class. I'm still able to group in places like Silent City, jump off a wall down to my group, hit autoattack on the mob they're fighting and laugh as I land lightly on the ground and it drops dead. It's really amusing.. "Flying death from above" is what I like to call it <span>:smileytongue:</span> Being able to do that makes it all worth it for me, especially since I'm usually the only scout in my group. So I'm the only one that can do it and live... it's a good feeling.Just because I'm a first time poster on these boards doesn't mean I don't read around, that I haven't been here for a while. I know what's going on, so just because it's my first post, it doesn't mean I'm posting 'anonymously.' Everyone has to start somewhere, right? Maybe that comment wasn't aimed at me, I don't know, but it's something I've seen a lot of people do, on all of the boards. Posters automatically assume that someone with only a few posts is just trolling to start a flame war. Well, I'm not.PS: Can anyone help me figure out how to get an image to work in my signature? It's been a couple years since my HTML class in high school.. I forget how to do it o.O<div></div>

[Gareorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cronon wrote:Personally I tend not to worry about posts that are anonymous in the first place. If anything, she gave you more credibility since you remained unsigned.<hr></blockquote><p>Goodness sake!  I hope that people don't think I'm posting anon just because I choose not to waste bandwidth by adding a sig or, even worse, a graphic to the end of each of my posts.  I am Gareorn.  That's my character's name in EQ, EQ2, SWG, Planetside, Party Poker, or just about any other online arena requiring a virtual personality.  Chances are, if you see a Gareorn anywhere online it's probably me.  As far as credibility goes, many with sigs have much less credibility than many without.  I attach credibility to those who earn it, not just to those who own photoshop.</p><p>I apologize for the derailing</p>

[Ai064]

<div></div><p>Nah, that line of discussion was aimed at Pinkdove who commented about the bullseye on his/her back.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[Racmo]

<div>--------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>I was exploiting the proc bug because I didn't know about it.  So when it was gone, I never missed it.   And during all that time I was never useless.   I wasn't doing 50% over other T1 classes like other rangers were which caused the nerf.  But I was still T1.   I know most people must feel really bad losing so much dps, but come on, are we really being out dpsed by guardians?</div><div>--------------------------------------------------------------</div><div> </div><div>You know.  Rambling here, but it really gets me irritated that when a supposedly top notch design/coding team puts something into a game they didn't intend(never mind the fact it took them so long) and people see a behavior and use it.  This behavior suddenly makes the person evil and the bane of all humanity.  It was never a bug to me, it was in the game, ANY FREAKING TEN YEAR OLD could see the signs and equip around it, but they somehow missed it?  Did they tell me it was a bug?  No!!  I rolled along doing the best DPS I could.  Did I know I was way above others?  NO!!!  I didn't parse combat.  So somehow, they screwed up and I'm the spawn of Satan?</div><div> </div><div>Hell BG himself posted that we were "exploiting".  Listen, if you want to buy into the Sony mentality that makes the customer base run around pointing fingers at each other and yelling "cheater! cheater!" then knock yourself out.  But I didn't "EXPLOIT" a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing.  I played the game according to the rules they laid out.</div><div> </div><div>Rangers didn't cause the Nerf.  Poor design and them not getting around to it for half a year did.  Don't accuse your fellow rangers of causing this nerf or exploiting a bug.....it's bad form.</div><div> </div><div>You can bet after this I parse ever darn encounter...and yes, we parse below MOST classes. </div><div> </div><div>Tobi</div><div>50 Ranger</div>

[44Dragon]

<div></div><p>I'm coming in on the end of this conversation, but I felt the need to add a copper or two in here.</p><p>I play a ranger main (middle 50's atm) and a templar alt (lvl 40 for my friends who wanted to be tanks).  I've got 10 full slots of toons, and none of them are the same class.  I love playing them all.  Even my little birthed out of wedlock ratonga, coercer!</p><p>The point! - I still LOVE playing my ranger.  It did take a me a few days to adjust to the nerfs, but it didn't stop me from playing my main.  He never did get the rare poisons and top gear that would have allowed him the slim chance of taking down ^^^ heroic over con mobs.  That's just not the way I play the game.  I understand my class, but I was slow to jump on the maximize the proc band wagon.  I just didn't want to spend the coin I had in order to gear myself for that road knowing full well that the "bats" would swing away soon enough.  So when they did I was bummed, but it wasn't the end of my world.</p><p>I'm not a power gaming level hungry player.  My toons level most of the time to my complete surprise.  "/gu oops!  That one stuck up on me" is more the norm than the exception.  All of my toons have high quest totals because I am obsessed with questing, story line, and exploration.  So for me, all the whining is just that...whining.  I know it is a necessity to get your views out there so that someone can be aware there is a problem, but the OP seems to have hit on something.  It was mentioned in other threads.  There is a fine line between stating problems and actively working towards a solution and whining/ranting.  We are all so quick to jump down and flame another person here on the boards that the real issues get pushed aside.  See, if I had come out here and said..."hey guys, lets all just play along together and be friends."  somebody would have told me to shove a gnome somewhere dark and stinky.</p><p>Just because somebody doesn't power their toon out doesn't mean their opinion shouldn't be voiced.  I honestly hope that sony doesn't build the ranger around a power raiding ranger.  Mostly because that's not me and with my work and life schedule...it just won't ever be me.  Sony needs to find a good balance between the casual "everyday" ranger and the "hardcore" worried about my "parsley" total (yeah parsley...mostly because I don't ever parse a darn thing). </p><p>Okay, I'm a rambler, so if you are still ready...Happy hunting!~</p>

[syncline]

<div>The way I see it since rangers don't really bring anything to help the group other then DPS then rangers are like Wizard..  If we don't get DPS then were just like a wizard with out magic.. useless. I do like the new changes and I didn't reaaaaaaally feel the change all that much.. Altho I really liked how much poison proc'd <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Caliga]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ai064 wrote:<div></div><p><em>ROFLMAO.  Paint a target on me why don't ya?</em></p><p><em></em> </p><p>I thought that boards weren't supposed to be used //anon.  I mean if you have such a strong viewpoint stand up and shout it out.  I'm sickened by what happened to rangers (only to the degree it happened.....I was never against lowering our dps.  We were crazy dps no doubt about it) and I've been verbal about it and yes, even antagonistic to the class/es I feel whined the loudest to get the nerf put in place.  But I wear the name of my two main characters proudly and stand up for my opinion.  I'll deal with the consequences when they come. </p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>I am not posting anon, my forum name is right there and it will follow me around everywhere I go.   I used to have all my characters listed in my sig but after what happened with the mystics...so many duels...so many duels...I decided it was best to keep my game play and forum posting separate.  I can always stop reading a thread, its a lot harder to deal with in game harrassment.</span></div>

[Caliga]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cronon wrote:<hr><blockquote>pinkdove80 wrote:</blockquote>ROFLMAO.  Paint a target on me why don't ya?<hr>Personally I tend not to worry about posts that are anonymous in the first place. If anything, she gave you more credibility since you remained unsigned.For the record, PD.. I didn't know about the exploit and had fast weapons and my ironwood bow. From what I read, that wouldn't have taken advantage of it (slow weapons took advantage of increasing procs). If you mean to say that using High DD poisons and your offensive stance is an exploitation, clearly you are wrong. Those are what we are *suppose* to be using. That's like saying a tank is exploiting by using his rightfully given taunts.Judging by what I have read, I would say they are right. You weren't living up to your potential as being a Ranger so don't know what you are missing. Even now you could improve yourself by changing those two simple practices and it's 100% legit and called for.<hr></blockquote>First off I'd like to apologize for calling it an exploit.  Even though by definition it is, I don't think anyone using it was cheating.  I just used a loaded term because I was starting to get upset.Secondly, I meant that using a high DD with offensive stance while soloing was suicide since LU20.   I have a much easier time soloing in defensive stance with a moderate DD and DoT, and in groups I use my offensive stance also with a moderate DD and DoT, because now that we proc less,  I am gonna get maybe one DoT a fight, and 350 with 50 4 times is 550 damage, 200 with 125 4 times is 800 damage.  So now that we can't hit Triple Shot and get three procs, the DoT damage is more important than it was before.  Thank you for your advice on poison and stances but I've looked into it and I like what I am currently</span><span> using</span><span>.</span><div></div>

[Cron]

<blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Cronon wrote:<hr><blockquote>pinkdove80 wrote:</blockquote>ROFLMAO.  Paint a target on me why don't ya?<hr>Personally I tend not to worry about posts that are anonymous in the first place. If anything, she gave you more credibility since you remained unsigned.For the record, PD.. I didn't know about the exploit and had fast weapons and my ironwood bow. From what I read, that wouldn't have taken advantage of it (slow weapons took advantage of increasing procs). If you mean to say that using High DD poisons and your offensive stance is an exploitation, clearly you are wrong. Those are what we are *suppose* to be using. That's like saying a tank is exploiting by using his rightfully given taunts.Judging by what I have read, I would say they are right. You weren't living up to your potential as being a Ranger so don't know what you are missing. Even now you could improve yourself by changing those two simple practices and it's 100% legit and called for.<hr></blockquote>First off I'd like to apologize for calling it an exploit.  Even though by definition it is, I don't think anyone using it was cheating.  I just used a loaded term because I was starting to get upset.Secondly, I meant that using a high DD with offensive stance while soloing was suicide since LU20.   I have a much easier time soloing in defensive stance with a moderate DD and DoT, and in groups I use my offensive stance also with a moderate DD and DoT, because now that we proc less,  I am gonna get maybe one DoT a fight, and 350 with 50 4 times is 550 damage, 200 with 125 4 times is 800 damage.  So now that we can't hit Triple Shot and get three procs, the DoT damage is more important than it was before.  Thank you for your advice on poison and stances but I've looked into it and I like what I am currently</span><span> using</span><span>.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Lol. You wasted bandwidth by replying to the same message twice (tongue-in-cheek). The point about credibility is that anyone can say anything in these forums, but your game name tells us who you are in terms of class, etc. We can find out where you come from easily. A 60 Ranger posting about our problems means a lot more to me than a 30 monk.. mkay? Your forum name means nothing. I have never been harassed in game for anything I have said in the forums. Maybe it's because it's against the EULA or maybe people just don't care that much. You worry to much.I thought I would be better off in defensive stance, but I discovered to my incredible surprise that I have a far easier time dropping mobs in offensive with my high DD (Adeste's is the only way to play). YMMV and I can appreciate that. I disagree with your numbers above because I have parsed my battles in solo, group, and raid. Last week in Courts, in one battle, Curse of the Djinn procced 14 times on one mob. My declining poison procs went from 45% pre-LU20 to around 25% post. If you find your way works better for you, than by all means go with what works for you. I am just sharing my experience so maybe you'll reconsider and take another look at it. Maybe it's a LEQoS© (Level, Equipment, Quality of Spell) issue, but mine is working differently from what you are reporting.

[Krooner]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, its making us look really useless and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.   I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.   It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level.<div></div><hr></blockquote>do what i did.. switch to an alt.. <strong>i have discovered the hidden DPS that is the Guardian .. lvl 52 in a group parsing above any Rangers</strong> i have grouped with so far .. woot!.solo, much easier time killing than with my Ranger.. Guardians FTW !</span></div><hr></blockquote>Ummm NO.  I played my from day one all the way through the LU13 nightmare to 55.  I hate to inform you of this but that DPS isnt your.  Its your groups.  Its all the procs and buffs put on you.  In an even fight a Guardian will NEVER out DPS a even equipped, even level, even expirienced Ranger.  Rangers are going through the same thing that Guardians went through with LU13.  If you want it changed for the better then keep up the good posts and the parses and everything esle.  Even if it doesnt look like they are listening.  Comments like the above will only get you ignored.

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Warbird1 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>pinkdove80 wrote:My ranger is my main.  I love her to death.  And when I logged on after the nerf I wept like everyone else did.  But all this mess about being unable to kill blue mobs anymore, its making us look really useless and that has become problematic when looking for a group.   I now spend hours spamming LFG and when someone is looking for dps, when I answer I get an excuse like, we are full or you are too low.   I know there are excuses cause groups that are allegedly full keep spamming LF dps and  one of the groups that told me I was too low had two members 3 levels lower than me (necros), and they were killing mobs that were blue to me... I know its not me, as my dps is much the same as it was before.  I've always been a melee ranger, so I didn't take the hit as hard as others.  And I know its not my personality because everyone who does group with me loves me and invites me into future groups.   So what can I attribute it to except rumors of the nerf, and ranger reaction to it.   I had someone with a ranger alt say that rangers aren't dps anymore, and I nearly lost it.   It's talk like that, that makes my game play suckie, far more than the nerf ever could.   So keep your chin up guys, if not for yourselves, then for everyone who needs pick up groups to level.<div></div><hr></blockquote>do what i did.. switch to an alt.. <strong>i have discovered the hidden DPS that is the Guardian .. lvl 52 in a group parsing above any Rangers</strong> i have grouped with so far .. woot!.solo, much easier time killing than with my Ranger.. Guardians FTW !</span></div><hr></blockquote>Ummm NO.  I played my from day one all the way through the LU13 nightmare to 55.  I hate to inform you of this but that DPS isnt your.  Its your groups.  Its all the procs and buffs put on you.  In an even fight a Guardian will NEVER out DPS a even equipped, even level, even expirienced Ranger.  Rangers are going through the same thing that Guardians went through with LU13.  If you want it changed for the better then keep up the good posts and the parses and everything esle.  Even if it doesnt look like they are listening.  Comments like the above will only get you ignored.<hr></blockquote>thank you captain obvious.</span></div>

[Krooner]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:<div><span><blockquote> </blockquote>thank you captain obvious.</span></div><hr></blockquote>No Problem... No charge.

[Huntress Jellica]

lol... <span>:smileytongue:</span>Personally I've been doing offensive/high DD poisons, but I just ordered a batch of high DoT ones from a guildie. Going to test those out tonight and see how they work <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>