Who's next for the nerf bat?

[Avendelf]

<div>OK Disclaimer: Im not asking for a nerf of any class here just stating some observations and speculating on future classes to be nerfed. </div><div> </div><div>Looking over yesterdays raid parses, on non AE mobs one of our conjurers was doing 600-700 DPS.  Any of you guys think SOE will smack them down with the nerf bat like they did rangers or think they will just let it continue and bring the other classes up to them?  Yes I have actual numbers in case anyone disputes them.  Discuss ^^</div>

[Steezi]

<div></div><div></div><p>let em have their fun... discussing it will only speed up the inevitable</p><p>*edit</p><p>i dont necessarily feel they need a nerf considering the staggering amount of aggro they generate.... a conj is practically useless in raids etc...(sure they do a ton of dps but conjs are always first to peel... well disciplined rangers always dropped enough aggro pre lu20, and a troub simply made it ridiculous...) They take enuff deaths that im sure that its infuriating enough.</p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:08 AM</span></p>

[TwistedFaith]

Conjuers DPS is HUGE, even higher than pre nerf ranger DPS. I'm not sure if SoE will bother nerfing them though, in my opinion a lot of the ranger nerfs including the procs came from PvP balance.I raided with a lvl 65 conjuer and it's no joke to say he was doing 3* as much as everyone else. Personally I dont really care, i'd rather not see anyone get a nerf.

[tweety1972]

<div></div><p>No more nerfs...............please!</p><p>Conjurors peel way too much agro and don't have the reducers so they have to hold back. I say let em try and mannage agro.Just my 2cp</p><p> </p>

[Steezi]

<div></div>/nod tweety i totally agree... i dont play a conj but it seems like right now for them its more about balancing pwer and aggro than maximizing dps... they cannot ever go full out in groups, so they must pick and choose and manage themselves like no other class has to...Leave the conjs alone rilly its gotta be tough enuff

[Sirlutt]

Summoners in general.. their DPS is off the chart still.. and I see alot of them "AFK XPing" all the time.nerf the bastages i say.. i was anti nerf prior to Rangers getting "ballanced" but now I am all about nerfing casters into the ground... all of them.<div></div>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:i was anti nerf prior to Rangers getting "ballanced" but now I am all about nerfing casters into the ground... all of them.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Probably reading this wrong ,and I appologize if I am, but you want them nerfed instead of us brought up to that level?Kinda counter productive if you ask me (I know you probably didn't mean it that way but thats what it sounded like)</p>

[Carna]

<div></div><p>Threads like this are just bad form. They all start with <em>"I'm not asking for nerfs <strong>but...</strong>".</em> They run the same way as <em>"Some of my best friends are xyz but..."</em></p>

[A]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:Summoners in general.. their DPS is off the chart still.. and I see alot of them "AFK XPing" all the time.nerf the bastages i say.. i was anti nerf prior to Rangers getting "ballanced" but now I am all about nerfing casters into the ground... all of them.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Comments like make me wish SOE had not listened so you really had stayed retired..</p><p>We don't need your kind on the ranger board.</p><p>Please move along and find another place to cry/whine..</p><p>Message Edited by Ail on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:22 PM</span></p>

[Bithnar]

<div></div><div></div><p>The persons I would like to see nerfed next are the specific people who cry for others to be nerfed.  Notice I said specific people.  If you cry "nerf em" you deserved to get hit with the nerf - your character not your character's class.</p><p>Its pathetic to want others pulled down so you can feel better about yourself.  Work to get yourself bettered not to lessen others abilities.</p><p>The sad thing is that, after being hit hard with the nerf bat, you would want someone else to have to go through that.</p><p>Message Edited by Bithnar on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:40 PM</span></p>

[Avendelf]

<div></div><p>I duo with the guy all the time, the more DPS he does, the better for me.  We were just going over the raid numbers and noticed the discrepancy so I figured I would throw a feeler out on the boards for him, see if the other classes had noticed and were screaming bloody murder over the insane DPS or if he was safe from the nerf bat.  We both have felt the affects pretty hard of what they did to rangers so wanted to prepare ahead of time if he was looking at the same thing we were so it didn't throw a wrench in our duo'ing like the ranger nerf did.  I don't want him nerfed at all, but hey I wouldn't mind being brought back in sync with them either <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ail wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:Summoners in general.. their DPS is off the chart still.. and I see alot of them "AFK XPing" all the time.nerf the bastages i say.. i was anti nerf prior to Rangers getting "ballanced" but now I am all about nerfing casters into the ground... all of them.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Comments like make me wish SOE had not listened so you really had stayed retired..</p><p>We don't need your kind on the ranger board.</p><p>Please move along and find another place to cry/whine..</p><p>Message Edited by Ail on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:22 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>LOL.. i am retired... if we raise T1 DPS to be where they need to be in terms of Summoners, we are back where we were pre LU20, summoners are above T1 right now.  Same as we have oodles of parses showing Ranger DPS was taken a bit too low, we have umpteen parses showing various summoners doing about double the DPS of the current T1 classses (not Rangers, but Wizards and the likes)... on their own most summoners do T1 DPS, add their pets and its just way over the top.  I also think afk XP needs to be addressed as I do infact see this happeneing alot.  I comment on both of these issues, and guess what, I HAVE a conjuror aswell.. so I'm not just looking over the fence.i should have probably put the [/sarcasm] on the end of the 2nd sentence, it was tongue in cheek.. i'll try to dumb it down a little for you next time.All in all, nerfs are rarely the answer.  The only time i support nerf's is when its a single class that is over and above the rest.  IE Rangers. We needed reducing.  It was either reduce us, or greatly add to the other T1 classes, and then redo all the mobs.  Same with summoners, that are more powerful than befits their stated place in the DPS tiers .. now was can boost everyone else and assume they really ARE T2, or we can realise they are way above T1 and need a reduction to put them where they should be in DPS totem.My hope is that when that happens, Sony takes more care, and researches the changes more than they did with Rangers so that they dont fall too far.</span></div>

[Gareorn]

<div>If you really want to know who get's the next smack with the nerf bat, go ready the wizzy forums.  That seems to be the authoritative source for nerfage.</div>

[Steezi]

<div></div>HAHAa Gare... its like the devs troll their boards to figure out who next! But honestly, ANY PLAYER CRYING NERF makes absolutely no sense.... other classes HELP you get your stuff, and in almost no circumstances hinder it.... IE class nerfs= less shiny's for all... and i like my shiny's!!! So stoppit!!!

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>This one is easy, OBVIOUSLY rangers will be nerfed once more befor anohter class, just so a lvl 30 summoner class will be more welcome among lvl 70 groups than a lvl 70 ranger. The next thing that needs nerfing is sony and their stupidity. That way by ridding sony of their dumbness there will be only intelligence left......(hopefully).</p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ([Removed for Content]) ranger</p>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div>As Per Test Update notes, Summoners are on the chopping block for Lu21.

[ReynardTheFox]

The next nerf bat target is fairly easy to spot, just look at any class that has too many people enjoying it and thence the nerf bat will swing.<div></div>

[Ai064]

<div></div><p><em>As Per Test Update notes, Summoners are on the chopping block for Lu21.</em></p><p> </p><p>Oh it's time to sit back and enjoy the misery of others....just as others enjoyed the misery when rangers were nerfed.  I'll have to admit this is coming much much sooner than I could have hoped for.  Muhahhahaha!</p><p>And to those who don't want "whiners" on THEIR ranger boards.....guess you'll just have to live with it.  Some of us are disgruntled and are certainly allowed to vent/post our feelings.  That pesky freedom of speech thing.  I mean come on if Trollboy can say everything he does you can't possible expect the rest of us to just sit quietly and take the nerf up the chute.</p><p> </p>

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ai064 wrote:<div></div><p><em>As Per Test Update notes, Summoners are on the chopping block for Lu21.</em></p><p> </p><p>Oh it's time to sit back and enjoy the misery of others....just as others enjoyed the misery when rangers were nerfed.  I'll have to admit this is coming much much sooner than I could have hoped for.  Muhahhahaha!</p><p>And to those who don't want "whiners" on THEIR ranger boards.....guess you'll just have to live with it.  <b>Some of us are disgruntled</b> and are certainly allowed to vent/post our feelings.  That pesky freedom of speech thing.  I mean come on if Trollboy can say everything he does you can't possible expect the rest of us to just sit quietly and take the nerf up the chute.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>preach awn ma brutha !.. can i gits a aaaaameeen !</span></div>

[Marcuzs]

<div></div>I see pets being nerfed in the near future, so says the magic 8 ball.