T7 equipment stats (+ranged/+peircing)

[Katsugen]

<div>I have seen that much of the T7 equipment has stats like +slashing +parry +ranged +peircing etc etc...</div><div>My question is this what is actually being affected. I'll prolly spend some time tomorrow actually trying to figure this out on my own. But if someone knows for a fact then might save me some time. It seems soe classifies our normal arrows as piercing dmg. So I would think that +peircing would increase my dmg per arrow (auto atk only?). And its seems to me that +ranged would increase the frequency in which my arrows actually hit. Let me know if this line of thinking is actually correct. Might need to start parsing my misses if that is actually the case.</div><div> </div><div>-Kat</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Fennir]

These stats affect your skill checks.  Piercing melee weapons check pierce skill, slashing melee weapons check slash skill, and ranged weapons check ranged skill to determine whether or not you hit a mob with autoattack or a combat art.  Because most melee combat arts are weapon dependant (i.e. they deal damage based on weapon equipped), their skill check can change depending on your weapon.  This is why you stink at killing stuff when your attack skills are low.I do not believe piercing affects ranged attack, as I have never received a piercing skillup from shooting an arrow.Now to be honest, much like FT, +2 here or there won't make much of a difference, but it all adds up.I've been using our defensive stance more often soloing (which may change with the boost, but 60% avoidance is still nice sometimes), and this noticeably decreases our hit rate when you consider how much we actually lose when going from offense to defense..  Getting more of these modifiers can push us back towards equity... toss in a swindler's luck and we're in the green again.<div></div>

[Caliga]

+piercing will only effect your melee piercing weapons, the chance of landing a hit and the amount of damage.   +ranged will effect your bow landing a hit and the amount of damage.<div></div>

[Steezi]

<div></div><p>Regular arrows are piercing. Hunting arrows are slashing.</p><p>I have no idea if the +slash and pierce skills affect chance to hit, but yes they do matter. Prelu19 if a mob was slash immune, your CA's could not hit with hunting arrows, and if it was pierce immune, you had to use hunting arrows. Problem was we could proc without our CA's hitting so many people didnt realize this. Mattered then, matters now.</p><p>My feeling is that they increase the damage done by the arrow type your using...(makes the dmg higher within the scale of the CA your using, ie a 1250-2000 spell will con the same, but hit higher towards the 2k as the MOB RESISTS/ABSORBS LESS of the attack)</p><p>heh to sumarize this jumble, i THINK that ranged= chance to hit/crit   and pierce/slash= dmg of arrows cast (wont see by changing gear cause i think its based off mob)</p><p>If yall can think of any reasons this would be false, i'd like to be set straight...</p>

[Caliga]

<span><blockquote><hr>Steezity wrote:<div></div><p>Regular arrows are piercing. Hunting arrows are slashing.</p><p>I have no idea if the +slash and pierce skills affect chance to hit, but yes they do matter. Prelu19 if a mob was slash immune, your CA's could not hit with hunting arrows, and if it was pierce immune, you had to use hunting arrows. Problem was we could proc without our CA's hitting so many people didnt realize this. Mattered then, matters now.</p><p>My feeling is that they increase the damage done by the arrow type your using...(makes the dmg higher within the scale of the CA your using, ie a 1250-2000 spell will con the same, but hit higher towards the 2k as the MOB RESISTS/ABSORBS LESS of the attack)</p><p>heh to sumarize this jumble, i THINK that ranged= chance to hit/crit   and pierce/slash= dmg of arrows cast (wont see by changing gear cause i think its based off mob)</p><p>If yall can think of any reasons this would be false, i'd like to be set straight...</p><hr></blockquote>Nope, the +pierce and + slash raise your piercing and slashing skills.  Your piercing and slashing skills have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your bow.  Regardless of the type of arrow.  +range would be the skill that effects your bow.    A person who has never even equipped a sword and thus has 0 in slash and pierce could hit level 50 mobs with his bow if his range was at 250.   Think about it this way, when is the last time you fired your bow and got a skill up in piercing?</span><div></div>

[Steezi]

<div></div><div></div><p>thats not the point tho... u cant deny that slashing and piercing are used while firing arrows, because that is simply the difference between hunting arrows and regular... you can examine them yourself heh...(hunting arrows say "causes slashing damage as it passes thru" or something to that effect...)</p><p>i was also of the school that agi is chance to hit, no matta how small the difference is, and just about everyone argues that one... basically ill just say i have no idea what anything really is until i can see the difference with my own eyes, or SOE publishes it, and sometimes not even then...</p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:14 AM</span></p>

[Fennir]

That IS the point.Just because it's doing piercing or slashing damage doesn't mean it has to use the piercing or slashing skill check.Piercing and slashing skills are only checked when meleeing.<div></div>

[Steezi]

<div></div><div></div><p>I dont understand how u think the arrows use slashing, but not your slashing skill under the basis of "well ive never seen my slashing skill increase"... Im not necessarily saying that im right, just that this reasoning seems transparent at best... It honestly makes much more sense the other way to me. Dunno...</p><p>I suppose the only way to really tell would be to get a character, such as a tank that has absolutely no piercing ability whatsoever and have him aa some pierce arrows at somethin around his level.. see if he can hit the mob at all...All tanks that i know pull with slashers just cause they the easiest to get from your home towns... general merchant thats usually right near the docks has em.</p><p>*edit*   ("just because your using slashing or peircing arrows doesnt mean the skills are checked" works just as well the other way too, so i dont buy that either...)</p><p>now lemme go find a tank and prove meself wrong rq</p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:00 AM</span></p>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Steezity wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>I dont understand how u think the arrows use slashing, but not your slashing skill under the basis of "well ive never seen my slashing skill increase"... Im not necessarily saying that im right, just that this reasoning seems transparent at best... It honestly makes much more sense the other way to me. Dunno...</p><p>I suppose the only way to really tell would be to get a character, such as a tank that has absolutely no piercing ability whatsoever and have him aa some pierce arrows at somethin around his level.. see if he can hit the mob at all...All tanks that i know pull with slashers just cause they the easiest to get from your home towns... general merchant thats usually right near the docks has em.</p><p>*edit*   ("just because your using slashing or peircing arrows doesnt mean the skills are checked" works just as well the other way too, so i dont buy that either...)</p><p>now lemme go find a tank and prove meself wrong rq</p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:00 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I use a Slashing 1 Hander and Piercing Arrows, My Slashing is at 350/350, my piercing has never been raised from using piercing arrows, only damage types change.</p><p>They are not related.</p>

[Caliga]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Steezity wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>I dont understand how u think the arrows use slashing, but not your slashing skill under the basis of "well ive never seen my slashing skill increase"... Im not necessarily saying that im right, just that this reasoning seems transparent at best... It honestly makes much more sense the other way to me. Dunno...</p><p>I suppose the only way to really tell would be to get a character, such as a tank that has absolutely no piercing ability whatsoever and have him aa some pierce arrows at somethin around his level.. see if he can hit the mob at all...All tanks that i know pull with slashers just cause they the easiest to get from your home towns... general merchant thats usually right near the docks has em.</p><p>*edit*   ("just because your using slashing or peircing arrows doesnt mean the skills are checked" works just as well the other way too, so i dont buy that either...)</p><p>now lemme go find a tank and prove meself wrong rq</p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:00 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Some tanks use crushing weapons.  They pull with bows just fine also.  Believe us if you want, we aren't theorizing.  We KNOW that piercing and slashing skill does not effect bow hits.  I doubt there is anything I could say to convince you, but it doesn't.  It's like saying, well how do you know that mage's spell isn't affected by her crushing skill?  The spell does crushing damage.  The game just doesn't work like that.</span></div>

[Fennir]

It may seem counterintuitive to you, but thats the way it works from a mechanics standpoint.Look at brawler slashing and piercing weapons through to T6.  They can be crafted and will do slashing and piercing damage, but they use the crushing skill check.  Brawlers do not get skillups in piercing or slashing from using these weapons, they get skillups in crushing, because that is the skill used in the to-hit check.Damage type does not have to be related to the skill checked in this game.<div></div>

[Caliga]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Fennir wrote:It may seem counterintuitive to you, but thats the way it works from a mechanics standpoint.Look at brawler slashing and piercing weapons through to T6.  They can be crafted and will do slashing and piercing damage, but they use the crushing skill check.  Brawlers do not get skillups in piercing or slashing from using these weapons, they get skillups in crushing, because that is the skill used in the to-hit check.Damage type does not have to be related to the skill checked in this game.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I wonder how many ways we can say this before he believes us...</span></div>

[dubbs]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Steezity wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>I dont understand how u think the arrows use slashing, but not your slashing skill under the basis of "well ive never seen my slashing skill increase"... Im not necessarily saying that im right, just that this reasoning seems transparent at best... It honestly makes much more sense the other way to me. Dunno...</p><p>I suppose the only way to really tell would be to get a character, such as a tank that has absolutely no piercing ability whatsoever and have him aa some pierce arrows at somethin around his level.. see if he can hit the mob at all...All tanks that i know pull with slashers just cause they the easiest to get from your home towns... general merchant thats usually right near the docks has em.</p><p>*edit*   ("just because your using slashing or peircing arrows doesnt mean the skills are checked" works just as well the other way too, so i dont buy that either...)</p><p>now lemme go find a tank and prove meself wrong rq</p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:00 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Based on your argument, would rounded arrows use our crushing skill?  We don't have any, yet can still use the rounded arrows.

[Steezi]

<div></div><div>2 different ways. Read my post dove. All you have done in everypost is repeat the same thing.... I asked for a different one, and fennir and co. with the brawler weaps and crushing arrows is the only arguement i have heard EITHER way that makes sense. Sortof. (makes sense when im thinkin SOE....)</div><div>If you respond to a question in the same fashion over and over again, youll never get any response. Dont attempt to insult people just cause you wont either read the entire content of a post, or youll simply ignore what it says....</div><div>I didnt even know there WERE crushing arrows... ive never used em personally : ... ive heard peeps talkin about em but always figured they were kidding :p whoops!</div><div>So to Fen and co. i thank you for coming up with a REAL reason that makes more sense than mine...</div>

[Teksun]

Real easy:Slash goes up using slashing weaponsPierce goes up using piercing weaponsRange goes up using ranged weaponsIf you are causing slashing damage using a range weapon you are STILL using a RANGE weapon therefore only your RANGE skill is considered.<div></div>

[Jer_]

<div></div><p>Bows used ranged.</p><p>Go buy some hunting arrows and come back once your slashing goes up from shooting a bow omg <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Co]

<div></div>The arrow type is only a mob dependent issue.  All bow attacks used Ranged as the modifier ... but the arrow type just corresponds to what the mob resists.