broken and boring

[Grimda]

<div>Does that about sum up ranger?</div><div> </div><div>Ranger now a melee class</div><div>Save your money on arrows because ranged attacks are practically anti-productive now.  We are melee class and</div><div>not that great either.</div><div> </div><div>Boring</div><div>I can't play my ranger for more than 20 min. in a group without yawning.    Our dps is average no matter what you try. I can't steal aggro anymore</div><div>unless my tank goes LD and everyone happens to be AFK.  Seriously try it. </div><div> </div><div>What really bothers me is SOEs utter disregard for their players and the primary reason we invest hundreds of hours in these games. Everyone wants to make their character a little better, stronger and get an edge in their class and across classes.  After many months and hundreds of hours, SOE just stomped on my sand castle. Nice business plan guys.</div><div> </div><div>Comment for SOE: Read the forums. Is any player happy with their class? Any happy like rangers were pre-LU20? NO because you keep nerfing everyone.  Every class feels like something has been taken away from them.   Here's an idea. Forget your communist goal of balancing all characters. Make every class powerful and inbalanced in their own unique way. Don't stop until every class is bragging about how great they are. </div>

[Carna]

<div></div>It's called WoW <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[GreyDog]

<div></div><p>i really hope you guys realise how narrow a view you are expressing.</p><p>rangers dps is still great, get over it and move on. everyone else has.</p><p>San</p>

[Gareorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GreyDog wrote:<div></div><p>i really hope you guys realise how narrow a view you are expressing.</p><p>rangers dps is still great, get over it and move on. everyone else has.</p><p>San</p><hr></blockquote>Ranger DPS is not great.  Yes, it's better than most healers and some tanks, but that does not qualify as great.  And just because I've quit complaining about it does not mean I've moved on.  I'm still working toward getting my toon fixed, as I assume most of us are.

[Sirlutt]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>GreyDog wrote:<div></div><p>i really hope you guys realise how narrow a view you are expressing.</p><p>rangers dps is still great, get over it and move on. everyone else has.</p><p>San</p><hr></blockquote>I think you have the wrong end of the stick .. he isnt the only one to find playing a Ranger extremely boring lately..in a group, or solo. Broken and Boring sums it up exactly.</span></div>

[sAs-Bartleby]

<div></div>I had a dream.....i had a dream last night that i went back to Nagafen and told him how worthless the dual wield weapon now is.I told him that i am a poor Ranger and asked him if he could change this weapon to something needfull.Nagafen agreed and gave me a one handed weapon.I fell to my knees and thanked him.then i woke up and realized.i had a dream.<p>Message Edited by sAs-Bartleby on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:22 AM</span></p>

[El Dominion]

<div>Totally agree, that sums up my feelings too. Cant be bothered to play my Ranger any more, which is a shame because it was my favourite. I'm just glad i have other toons that are still fun, or i would have quit before now.</div>

[KudLenka]

<div></div><p>this is pure BS. Ranged attacks still make up big lump of dmg. 1/3 to 1/2 health of mobs around lvl  25 seems to me still as very nice dmg before the mob can hit me, then i can cheapshot it and fire off some more. With melee only i would miss the initial advantage and with the limited amount of melee skills i would have to rely on melee auto attack for too long.</p><p>I dont know why ranger should be more boring now. its quite the opposite as now you need to use more CAs, move more and use new tactics. I do not see fun in just standin firing off few arows and changing targets or moving once all mobs in given area are dead.</p><p>sure, rangers could use some dmg boost but its childish to talk about the class as melee only or boring. thats just cry of a spoiled brat.</p>

[Sirlutt]

let me know how that works out for you in later levels.btw glad you are having fun... i however am not having fun on my Ranger getting my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicked by blue ^ mobs, AFTER hitting them with my big ranged hits... seriously.. 5600 damage and its not even in the yellow.<div></div>

[pharacyde]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>GreyDog wrote:<div></div><p>i really hope you guys realise how narrow a view you are expressing.</p><p>rangers dps is still great, get over it and move on. everyone else has.</p><p>San</p><hr></blockquote>Ranger DPS is not great.  Yes, it's better than most healers and some tanks, but that does not qualify as great.  And just because I've quit complaining about it does not mean I've moved on.  I'm still working toward getting my toon fixed, as I assume most of us are.<hr></blockquote><p>Ranger dps is good believe me. As soon as you start getting the right AA's and boost your criticals and other stuff. Hrhr. I got a 13% chance extra to do criticals cause I went the INT line first and it quite boosts the dps already. I can go up to 50% I think.</p><p>To give an example we were doing the rounds of nameds in the palace of awakening and my group (2conj, 1 ranger. 1 brig, 1guard and 1warden) was averaging around 1.8k dps. When all our big attacks were up we did a burst of 2.4k dps. I was doing 700 dps frequently and avereaging around 550-600 dps. The conjurors were on average a bit hgiher, but remember that's cause they had time for their attakcks to refresh between pulls (long walks between mobs in palace) as soon as the tank chain pulled I was higher on the dps. So all in all I think rangers are pretty much where they should be, altho I could enjoy a mini boost still <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[Sirlutt]

and for the other 95% of the Rangers that dont have AA's ?.. or didnt buy KOS .. or arent lvl 65 ?<div></div>

[TaleraRis]

<div>I was killing blue ^ ghouls in SS the other day. I opened with Hidden Fire and Sharp Shot, then did a small circle kite until it was dead. I can't do this often, but I managed to find an area up near the raider camps with no adds.</div><div> </div><div>Usually I don't bother with ^ and just raze through the no arrow and down arrow mobs.  If you were trying to ranged attack then melee it, that might be why you were having problems. I can't stand toe to toe with ^ like I can with no arrow and down arrows.</div>

[TaleraRis]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pharacyde wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>GreyDog wrote:<div></div><p>i really hope you guys realise how narrow a view you are expressing.</p><p>rangers dps is still great, get over it and move on. everyone else has.</p><p>San</p><hr></blockquote>Ranger DPS is not great.  Yes, it's better than most healers and some tanks, but that does not qualify as great.  And just because I've quit complaining about it does not mean I've moved on.  I'm still working toward getting my toon fixed, as I assume most of us are.<hr></blockquote><p>Ranger dps is good believe me. As soon as you start getting the right AA's and boost your criticals and other stuff. Hrhr. I got a 13% chance extra to do criticals cause I went the INT line first and it quite boosts the dps already. I can go up to 50% I think.</p><p>To give an example we were doing the rounds of nameds in the palace of awakening and my group (2conj, 1 ranger. 1 brig, 1guard and 1warden) was averaging around 1.8k dps. When all our big attacks were up we did a burst of 2.4k dps. I was doing 700 dps frequently and avereaging around 550-600 dps. The conjurors were on average a bit hgiher, but remember that's cause they had time for their attakcks to refresh between pulls (long walks between mobs in palace) as soon as the tank chain pulled I was higher on the dps. So all in all I think rangers are pretty much where they should be, altho I could enjoy a mini boost still <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>Which is all well and good, but our DPS needs to be fixed from the baseline, not factoring in AP skills. If we're Tier 1 DPS, then all rangers need to have that potential from the get-go, not because they bought the expansion.

[pharacyde]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:and for the other 95% of the Rangers that dont have AA's ?.. or didnt buy KOS .. or arent lvl 65 ?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well if you are at that level nobody has AA's so your dps will still be comparable and balanced with other people, cause they wont have ways to boost their dps either. All i was comparing to was the pre LU20 ranger to the new one with and without AA's. And as soon as you get your AA's you start to feel the old ranger coming back. The feeling that you can actualy burst through a mob. Anyway people should understand now that the way EQ2 works is that at each expansion you get a nerf followed by a boost as soon as you level. The reason they do it so nobody whould get overpowered and the game would still be fun and challenging. I don't say it's the right way it is to do things, but that's how it works. So you should be over it by now.

[Gareorn]

<div></div><div></div><div>I agree it's not boring.  But some seem to think our "DPS is great."  Give me a break.  We are T3 DPS, T2 tops.  And, no one, I'll repeat that, no one, has been able to show a parse that indicates we are coming close to T1.  And that 1/3 to 1/2 drop in health of mobs you are experiencing at lvl 27 is great.  But eventually, you are going to level and that is going to go away.</div><div> </div><div>First rule of thumb. Don't come to the Ranger forums and tell other Rangers they are full of BS and that they are spoiled brats.  The Ranger class is versatile enough that there are many different ways to play.  Name calling may fair well in the inquisitor forums, but we don't have much use for it here.</div><div> </div><div>Edit:  I was addressing xentar, but like five people posted while I was typing this out.  I should have used the quote thingy.</div><p>Message Edited by Gareorn on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:44 AM</span></p>

[Quillian Feetfa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pharacyde wrote:<div></div><p>Ranger dps is good believe me. As soon as you start getting the right AA's and boost your criticals and other stuff. Hrhr. I got a 13% chance extra to do criticals cause I went the INT line first and it quite boosts the dps already. I can go up to 50% I think.</p><p>To give an example we were doing the rounds of nameds in the palace of awakening and my group (2conj, 1 ranger. 1 brig, 1guard and 1warden) was averaging around 1.8k dps. When all our big attacks were up we did a burst of 2.4k dps. I was doing 700 dps frequently and avereaging around 550-600 dps. The conjurors were on average a bit hgiher, but remember that's cause they had time for their attakcks to refresh between pulls (long walks between mobs in palace) as soon as the tank chain pulled I was higher on the dps. So all in all I think rangers are pretty much where they should be, altho I could enjoy a mini boost still <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>So you're saying I should spend more real $ for the KoS expansion, so that I can start getting AA's that give me more damage then I now have, because SOE took away the great damage that I already had.  I don't think so.  If the Conj. can out DPS us, just because of a pet, then maybe they out to look at "Balancing" the pet's damage like they "Balanced" the Rangers.  I find it very hard to play EQ2 anymore.  I have not played very much since the changes, because it's just too painful.</p>

[Gareorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pharacyde wrote:<div></div><blockquote>Ranger dps is good believe me. As soon as you start getting the right AA's and boost your criticals and other stuff. Hrhr. I got a 13% chance extra to do criticals cause I went the INT line first and it quite boosts the dps already. I can go up to 50% I think.</blockquote><hr></blockquote>Well, at least there is some good news.

[KudLenka]

<blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>. Don't come to the Ranger forums and tell other Rangers they are full of BS and that they are spoiled brats.  The Ranger class is versatile enough that there are many different ways to play.  Name calling may fair well in the inquisitor forums, but we don't have much use for it here.</div><div> <hr></div></blockquote>Sorry, but the angry and one sided posts are BS. Stating Rangers are melee only is simply not true. And many rangers were just spoiled by the uberDPS. The nerf was probably too harsh but this is not way to deal with and i even dont think it is way to change the situation. OCnstructive feedback has more power than just whinning. Its the same with the fun factor - perception of what is fun differ with people, but i do not think that easy equals fun. It is nice to see mob die before it gets to you, but doing that for hours gets boring. Playing ranger now requires more movement and using more CAs - thats fun as the game now requires more input form the player. As an inquisior i found the game SOOOOO boring at higher levels as the fights took forever and all i could do was stand there, hitting reactive and only few attacks i had at my disposal. Playig scout classes is so much more immersing...

[ambrial]

I don't get WHY you Rangers wants aggro? Somebody please explain? I'd think you all should be happy!!Most DPS classes can do a ton of DPS and NOT get aggro if they know what they're doing.<p>Message Edited by ambrial on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:51 AM</span></p>

[Ai064]

<div></div><p><em>this is pure BS. Ranged attacks still make up big lump of dmg. 1/3 to 1/2 health of mobs around lvl  25 seems to me still as very nice dmg before the mob can hit me, then i can cheapshot it and fire off some more. With melee only i would miss the initial advantage and with the limited amount of melee skills i would have to rely on melee auto attack for too long.</em></p><p><em>I dont know why ranger should be more boring now. its quite the opposite as now you need to use more CAs, move more and use new tactics. I do not see fun in just standin firing off few arows and changing targets or moving once all mobs in given area are dead.</em></p><p><em>sure, rangers could use some dmg boost but its childish to talk about the class as melee only or boring. thats just cry of a spoiled brat.</em></p><p><em></em></p><div><em>Xentik - lvl 27 Ranger of Splitpaw - cunning predator with precise aim (main as of now)</em></div><p> </p><p> </p><p>This coming from a lvl 27 mighty ranger.  Repost when you get to T6 or T7 and MAYBE I'd give your post a smidgen of attention.  Otherwise you're just a wizzy posting as a "ranger" in my book.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[illum]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GreyDog wrote:<div></div><p>i really hope you guys realise how narrow a view you are expressing.</p><p>rangers dps is still great, get over it and move on. everyone else has.</p><p>San</p><hr></blockquote>pass the crack pipe please :smileyvery-happy:

[KudLenka]

<blockquote><hr>Ai064 wrote:<div></div><p><em>This coming from a lvl 27 mighty ranger.  Repost when you get to T6 or T7 and MAYBE I'd give your post a smidgen of attention.  Otherwise you're just a wizzy posting as a "ranger" in my book.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></em></p><hr></blockquote>28,5 as of now <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> if my limited experience as a ranger is a problem for seasoned players, then just ignore me. Yet i feel i have the right to post my 2cents worth of text.

[Cron]

<blockquote><hr>Ai064 wrote:<div></div><p><em>this is pure BS. Ranged attacks still make up big lump of dmg. 1/3 to 1/2 health of mobs around lvl  25 seems to me still as very nice dmg before the mob can hit me, then i can cheapshot it and fire off some more. With melee only i would miss the initial advantage and with the limited amount of melee skills i would have to rely on melee auto attack for too long.</em></p><p><em>I dont know why ranger should be more boring now. its quite the opposite as now you need to use more CAs, move more and use new tactics. I do not see fun in just standin firing off few arows and changing targets or moving once all mobs in given area are dead.</em></p><p><em>sure, rangers could use some dmg boost but its childish to talk about the class as melee only or boring. thats just cry of a spoiled brat.</em></p><p><em></em></p><div><em>Xentik - lvl 27 Ranger of Splitpaw - cunning predator with precise aim (main as of now)</em></div><p> </p><p> </p><p>This coming from a lvl 27 mighty ranger.  Repost when you get to T6 or T7 and MAYBE I'd give your post a smidgen of attention.  Otherwise you're just a wizzy posting as a "ranger" in my book.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><hr></blockquote>Ok, I'll bite. I'm having fun with my Ranger still. Things are a little more difficult for me, but I find that challenging. Things were to easy for me before. When I solo, I do DPS more, but I have changed my tactics slightly and I'm having fun. Raids have been fun and I am still out-DPSing.I did notice something the other night that *kinda* bothers me. Was in a group the other night with a Conjuror who is the same level as me. I was ranking somewhere around 400 on the mobs and he was hitting around 700. He is from an Uber-guild that shall remain nameless and though I didn't do an inspect I can imagine that he has some pretty nice fabled items on him and I believe he said all his spells were masters (which is impressive in the first place). So it's really tough for me to compare. I have a few masters and several Adept III's. I have 4 T6 fable.Doesn't matter to me though. I'm really enjoying Narsan. *I* don't feel this update has hit me to bad. I certainly think I should have more DPS, but it's not game breaking for me.

[Dagator]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>xentar wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>. Don't come to the Ranger forums and tell other Rangers they are full of BS and that they are spoiled brats.  The Ranger class is versatile enough that there are many different ways to play.  Name calling may fair well in the inquisitor forums, but we don't have much use for it here.</div><div> <hr></div></blockquote>Sorry, but the angry and one sided posts are BS. Stating Rangers are melee only is simply not true. And many rangers were just spoiled by the uberDPS. The nerf was probably too harsh but this is not way to deal with and i even dont think it is way to change the situation. OCnstructive feedback has more power than just whinning. Its the same with the fun factor - perception of what is fun differ with people, but i do not think that easy equals fun. It is nice to see mob die before it gets to you, but doing that for hours gets boring. Playing ranger now requires more movement and using more CAs - thats fun as the game now requires more input form the player. As an inquisior i found the game SOOOOO boring at higher levels as the fights took forever and all i could do was stand there, hitting reactive and only few attacks i had at my disposal. Playig scout classes is so much more immersing...<hr></blockquote><p>First, you are a 27 ranger.  Second, if these posts bother you, then don't freaking read them or come into them and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on them.  I have been playing my ranger since launch, and now I am getting nearly 75% blocked/parried/missed/ripostes at my level, (60 on oasis), so don't even try to blow sunshine up my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about how immersive the ranger is.  75% of the time, I miss my opening stealthed shot because of a miss/parry/block/riposte. </p><p>If these messages are so trying for you, then skip them.  Read all of the hundreds of happy ranger post about how great the ranger is after LU20.  Personally I don't play my ranger anymore because my 52 dirge can out dps my 60 ranger on the same exact mob period, plus he has all of the buffs/debuffs he can use, (well more actually, dang limited conc slots).  So take your forum trolling [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on...</p>

[KudLenka]

<div></div>wow, nice work in the foul language area. i still have a lot to learn from the real rangers. thanks for showing me the way.

[Incedio]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dagator wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>xentar wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>. Don't come to the Ranger forums and tell other Rangers they are full of BS and that they are spoiled brats.  The Ranger class is versatile enough that there are many different ways to play.  Name calling may fair well in the inquisitor forums, but we don't have much use for it here.</div><div> <hr></div></blockquote>Sorry, but the angry and one sided posts are BS. Stating Rangers are melee only is simply not true. And many rangers were just spoiled by the uberDPS. The nerf was probably too harsh but this is not way to deal with and i even dont think it is way to change the situation. OCnstructive feedback has more power than just whinning. Its the same with the fun factor - perception of what is fun differ with people, but i do not think that easy equals fun. It is nice to see mob die before it gets to you, but doing that for hours gets boring. Playing ranger now requires more movement and using more CAs - thats fun as the game now requires more input form the player. As an inquisior i found the game SOOOOO boring at higher levels as the fights took forever and all i could do was stand there, hitting reactive and only few attacks i had at my disposal. Playig scout classes is so much more immersing...<hr></blockquote><p>First, you are a 27 ranger.  Second, if these posts bother you, then don't freaking read them or come into them and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on them.  I have been playing my ranger since launch, and now I am getting nearly 75% blocked/parried/missed/ripostes at my level, (60 on oasis), so don't even try to blow sunshine up my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about how immersive the ranger is.  75% of the time, I miss my opening stealthed shot because of a miss/parry/block/riposte. </p><p>If these messages are so trying for you, then skip them.  Read all of the hundreds of happy ranger post about how great the ranger is after LU20.  Personally I don't play my ranger anymore because my 52 dirge can out dps my 60 ranger on the same exact mob period, plus he has all of the buffs/debuffs he can use, (well more actually, dang limited conc slots).  So take your forum trolling [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on...</p><hr></blockquote><p>Seriously stop being a drama queen and stop over exagerating the problems of the Ranger class. Yes, we do have DPS issues right now and yes we do have soloing problems I will agree with you on that. However, your over exageration of the problem and your being a jerk towards others is in no way helping the situation.</p><p>1. Just because he is level 27 that does not mean that his opinion doesn't count. There is no need to be a complete jerk towards him for stating his opinions.</p><p>2. There is no way in hell you have a 75% miss/dodge/parry/riposte rate. There is just no way, I am sorry but you really need to stop exagerating things this much.</p><p>3. There is also no way in heck that your level 52 Dirge is out DPSing your level 60 Ranger unless you completely have no clue how to play your class.</p><p>In closing please calm down and take a deep breath before you go flaming someone else for no reason.</p><p>Message Edited by Incedious on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:57 AM</span></p>

[Dagator]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Incedious wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Dagator wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>xentar wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gareorn wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>. Don't come to the Ranger forums and tell other Rangers they are full of BS and that they are spoiled brats.  The Ranger class is versatile enough that there are many different ways to play.  Name calling may fair well in the inquisitor forums, but we don't have much use for it here.</div><div> <hr></div></blockquote>Sorry, but the angry and one sided posts are BS. Stating Rangers are melee only is simply not true. And many rangers were just spoiled by the uberDPS. The nerf was probably too harsh but this is not way to deal with and i even dont think it is way to change the situation. OCnstructive feedback has more power than just whinning. Its the same with the fun factor - perception of what is fun differ with people, but i do not think that easy equals fun. It is nice to see mob die before it gets to you, but doing that for hours gets boring. Playing ranger now requires more movement and using more CAs - thats fun as the game now requires more input form the player. As an inquisior i found the game SOOOOO boring at higher levels as the fights took forever and all i could do was stand there, hitting reactive and only few attacks i had at my disposal. Playig scout classes is so much more immersing...<hr></blockquote><p>First, you are a 27 ranger.  Second, if these posts bother you, then don't freaking read them or come into them and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on them.  I have been playing my ranger since launch, and now I am getting nearly 75% blocked/parried/missed/ripostes at my level, (60 on oasis), so don't even try to blow sunshine up my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about how immersive the ranger is.  75% of the time, I miss my opening stealthed shot because of a miss/parry/block/riposte. </p><p>If these messages are so trying for you, then skip them.  Read all of the hundreds of happy ranger post about how great the ranger is after LU20.  Personally I don't play my ranger anymore because my 52 dirge can out dps my 60 ranger on the same exact mob period, plus he has all of the buffs/debuffs he can use, (well more actually, dang limited conc slots).  So take your forum trolling [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on...</p><hr></blockquote><p>Seriously stop being a drama queen and stop over exagerating the problems of the Ranger class. Yes, we do have DPS issues right now and yes we do have soloing problems I will agree with you on that. However, your over exageration of the problem and your being a jerk towards others is in no way helping the situation.</p><p>1. Just because he is level 27 that does not mean that his opinion doesn't count. There is no need to be a complete jerk towards him for stating his opinions.</p><p>2. There is no way in hell you have a 75% miss/dodge/parry/riposte rate. There is just no way, I am sorry but you really need to stop exagerating things this much.</p><p>3. There is also no way in heck that your level 52 Dirge is out DPSing your level 60 Ranger unless you completely have no clue how to play your class.</p><p>In closing please calm down and take a deep breath before you go flaming someone else for no reason.</p><p>Message Edited by Incedious on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:57 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>1.  True, his opinion does count, but why come to someone else thread to put them down.  I was stooping to his level, and for that I apologize.  The point being is that if you don't agree, say you don't agree, but don't come in saying things like we shouldn't post because that is saying that we shouldn't have an opinion either.</p><p>2 and 3.  You are obviously right here, I have to be a terrible ranger and a liar on top of that.  What server are you on and what is your toon name?  I would like to come learn from you and also see your parses as well. </p><p>And I am calm, my pulse never got above 65 so no worries there.  I don't even play my ranger anymore due to this as my bard is currently a much better solution and most bards think they are broken.  I was responding to his flame thank you, and you are basically doing the same thing to me as I to him.  A viscious circle for sure.  So why don't you quit flaming me for no reason...</p>

[Dagator]

<div></div><div></div><p>Apologies, I was in the Army for too many years.  That is how I speak, so that is how I write...</p><p> </p><p>~edit</p><p>was in response to language post from previous page...</p><p>Message Edited by Dagator on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:09 AM</span></p>

[Steezi]

<div></div><p>62 ranger playin since launch. I just quit the game for WoW. Rogue class there is much more fun. Still think he's eggagerating?</p><p>That makes at least 10 60's quitting since i've been watching pages, + uncounted peeps of other various levels...</p><p>50 million Elvis fans cant be wrong yo.</p><p>Stylee Mc'Cutta 62 ranga (Nek)</p>

[Incedio]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Steezity wrote:<div></div><p>62 ranger playin since launch. I just quit the game for WoW. Rogue class there is much more fun. Still think he's eggagerating?</p><p>That makes at least 10 60's quitting since i've been watching pages, + uncounted peeps of other various levels...</p><p>50 million Elvis fans cant be wrong yo.</p><p>Stylee Mc'Cutta 62 ranga (Nek)</p><p></p><hr><p>Have fun in WOW hitting 1 key all night. Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab, Backstab</p><p>I left WOW for EQ2 and believe me you made the wrong choice in MMOs. The WOW servers are completely unstable you get to sit in a Queue for 45 min to just log into the game. If you want to PvP you get to sit in a 2hour queue for a 5 minute game. The combat system in WOW also blows chunks compared to EQ2s. And the Dev team from WOW rides the short bus to work.</p></blockquote><p>Just in case you think I have no idea what I am talking about:</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?375482">http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?375482</a></p><p>Message Edited by Incedious on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:21 PM</span></p>

[Dagator]

<div></div><p>Woot!! some ranger love!!!!</p><p> </p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=25747&page=1">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=25747&page=1</a></p>

[Tobann]

If the above is true it will be great. It will give us another stun to use for melee and increase our melee damage to be equal in power if not number to our assasin comrades. A hesitatn Hooray if it comes to pass.Buaf 56 Ranger Befallen<div></div>

[Azzazal]

<div></div>Im not couting on the changes to bring us back into line to t1 dps. with our 7 plus sec delays bows does everyone REALLY think that this will be a dps saver? Chuck in a root to for good measure /cough yeah sure thats gonna be a saver..maybe suitable for solo....I also dont buy into this "we broke it in lu13", so the devs now say well we parsed you rangers and by golly youre all gods, may i remind people we couldnt solo content that say a wizzy could, sure we could take on some t6 instances but that took ALOT of time to solo.Call me a doubting Tom but after playing this game since beta and continually seeing changes to a combat system, most for the worst, i simply wont believe that 2 changes will bring us into any decent solo or group dps.I will say again, I run a bruiser and a monk to, My bruiser still can EASILY kill 3 ups ( not starting a riot my bruisers pals <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), close to his lvl and i mean close to his 54th lvl.Overpowerd were we? tell me that again when I can see for my own eyes adecently gear'd dress wearing caster saying Look Azza, see that 3 up over there? that yellow con aye, Boom its gorn...Eq2 combat system seems wirtten on someones cig packet.sorry for the moan but this seem'd a good post to vent on.Broing to play doesnt even cover it.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Azzazal on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:46 AM</span></p>

[sAs-Bartleby]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>ambrial wrote:<b>I don't get WHY you Rangers wants aggro? Somebody please explain?</b> I'd think you all should be happy!!Most DPS classes can do a ton of DPS and NOT get aggro if they know what they're doing.<p>Message Edited by ambrial on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:51 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>you are in a group with 2 Healers, one Tank two mages and yourself as a Ranger. This  group setup is often found, i think.If you beat groups there will be situations when one mob decides to went to the mages or Healers and the grouptaunt is not up.In these situations i went on these mobs to pull away the aggro from them. Because it is better they are aggro on me then on the the Healer or clothchars. Right.It was my job to look they are right and when the tank had taunted at them, i gave him the mobs back with my detaunts.That was our only utility, i think.I tryed this after LU20 and cann´t manage this because when the tank loose aggro to a mage i cann´t pull it to me anymore.Edit: Sorry for you mages, but you will now die more often.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by sAs-Bartleby on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:04 AM</span></p>

[EomerFarst]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Grimdayl wrote:<div>Does that about sum up ranger?</div><div> </div><div>Ranger now a melee class</div><div>Save your money on arrows because ranged attacks are practically anti-productive now.  We are melee class and</div><div>not that great either.</div><div> </div><div>Boring</div><div>I can't play my ranger for more than 20 min. in a group without yawning.    Our dps is average no matter what you try. I can't steal aggro anymore</div><div>unless my tank goes LD and everyone happens to be AFK.  Seriously try it. </div><div> </div><div>What really bothers me is SOEs utter disregard for their players and the primary reason we invest hundreds of hours in these games. Everyone wants to make their character a little better, stronger and get an edge in their class and across classes.  After many months and hundreds of hours, SOE just stomped on my sand castle. Nice business plan guys.</div><div> </div><div>Comment for SOE: Read the forums. Is any player happy with their class? Any happy like rangers were pre-LU20? NO because you keep nerfing everyone.  Every class feels like something has been taken away from them.   Here's an idea. Forget your communist goal of balancing all characters. Make every class powerful and inbalanced in their own unique way. Don't stop until every class is bragging about how great they are. </div><hr></blockquote><p>Yep, we need DPS fix. Trying to solo ^^ mobs is a task in its self.</p><p>But if everyone has T1 DPS then it unbalances professions roles. A 50% mig tank with T1 DPS would just be broken so the devs try balance them which just results in nerfs :/</p><p>As mainly ranged profession we should hardly ever have to use melee. The amout of times I've seen Necro's just use pets and spells to kill things amazes me. It's not oftem they get it fist fight and it's how low mig profs should be. We could also use a root that works on heroics <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Maybe a better range of poisons to.</p>