Am I playing the same game??

[dbmoreland]

Ok after all of the "my ranger is broken", "I can't solo",  "My DPS sucks" posts I desided as a level 56 ranger to go to the NEW content KoS TT zone and try my hand at these new "uber mobs" with my "broken ranger". I stealthed and explored the "entrance" area and noticed that there were primarily two kinds of mobs, the "rooted plants" and the "flying insects".Ok lets start with a level 56 white no arrow Torp. bloom "rooted plant". I check the con and it says we are "evenly matched" and it should be a "good fight". Ok I have NO poisons, I put up my perm haste buff and defensive stance, set up at max bow range, click on instinct, stealth, focus fire, then let go with my adept 3 Stealthy Fire, follow it up with Leg Shot and Sharp shot. Wow mob is at 60% when it gets to me so I cheap shot it, take two steps back, then let go with Debilitation arrow and triple shot. Mob closes on me again so I fire off my 4 frontal melee CAs waiting for Cheap shot to come back up. Then I cheap shot the mob, step trough it while casting Surveil, let go with Dire Blade, Long shank and Tangle flame and wow the mob is dead in less than 30 seconds and I still have 80% of my health. They call this an "even fight"???Ok lets try this again. I am not going to wait 5 min for instinct to come back up but I will wait a min for Stealthy Fire (and Focus Fire, oh and my health to get back to 100%). Pull again the same way, run through my CAs and wow look the mob is dead in 35 seconds this time and I have only 70% health left. I do this three more times with similar results, the mob is dead in 25-45 seconds and I am at 70-80% health when the fight is over. Ok lets try something harder.There is a level 57 yellow no arrow Swoop Serpent. Ok I set up exactly the same way using instinct as well this time and at the end of the fight the mob is dead in 25 seconds and I have have 70% of my health left. I find a level 56 tangle fly next, dead in 45 seconds, 70% health. Ok lets try a level 57 yellow jacket. Set up and just as I start to cast focus fire the bug starts to fly toward me. Oh well I can handle this. Stealthy Fire starts to cast as the mob is getting closer. MMM this is bad oh well evac is up. SF hits for 2100 pts and the mob is on me. Ok Cheap shot and back up, fire off two ranged CAs but the mob closes before the second one can hit. Oh well run through my melee CAs, Cheap shot, back up and try ranged again, only one hits, and mob is back, ok melee again, cheap shot, run through and cast stealth, Dire Blade, Longshank and Tangle flame and the mob dies. My health is at 40% this time and the mob is dead in 55 seconds.Ok lets see what I can really do. I set up on another plant. Put down my thorny trap. Pull as before but this time the mobs sticks in the trap so I let go with every Ranged CA I have including storm of arrows. This time the mob is dead in 20 seconds and I have taken NO damage.Ok help me out here. I kill white and yellow no arrow mobs in about 30 seconds and suffer only 30% damage. This is "broken"??? I have a "bad pull" on a YELLOW "this mob is very dangerous, there is a GOOD chance it will defeat you" mob and it is dead in less than a min and I still have 40% health left. This is "broken"??? I am sorry but I do NOT see any problems with my "new" ranger.Now at level 56 I am NOT in "junk" equipment. I have all legendary player made armor and jewelery (or treasured that I found had better stats), including a pair of hex dolls. All three of my weapons are legendary. All of my spells are Adept 3 except for the two masters I found for less than 2plat each. Sorry but MY ranger at least is NOT "broken" not by a LONG shot.Perhaps my expectations are simply lower that the rest of you?? I do NOT expect to be able to solo BLUE (much less yellow) triple up heroics. I do NOT expect to be able to CONSISTANTLY beat YELLOW mobs designed for an individual with over 50% of my health remaining. I actualy BELIEVE what the con message says. I expect "a good fight" from white mobs. I expect to have a "good chance to be defeated" by yellow mobs. Is that my problem??<div></div>

[rcknchr]

<div></div>You have just showed SoE a way to fix us. Give everyone Legendary equipment and all CA should be changed from app1 to Ad3 when you get them. How about the people who cant afford to have all Legendary and Ad3. I myself do have mostly Legendary gear but at 40 i havent bothered going after Ad3 til i see whether i need to get my melee to Ad3 or the bow shots. But how about the people who cant do that. Should a Ranger be totally worthless if you just have the items you find off quest or mobs. I dont think so but that just my opinion.

[Steezi]

<div></div><div></div><p>db your post... is ridiculous. Your fighting even conned mobs, and in your OWN WORDS</p><p>Now at level 56 I am NOT in "junk" equipment. I have all legendary player made armor and jewelery (or treasured that I found had better stats), including a pair of hex dolls. All three of my weapons are legendary. All of my spells are Adept 3 except for the two masters I found for less than 2plat each.</p><p>YOU ARENT AN AVERAGE RANGER!!!!</p><p>if you are in such equipment, and killing white mobs, wow gee golly, good for you. Wait till sanctum or till you get off of the introductory areas.</p><p>Im a 62 ranger in almost full fabled and adept 3's (few mastas) and yesterday got killed by a 63 yellow arrow down mob (droag on dispair isle) . He parried over 85% of my attacks. He hit me for over half my health in one shot. (ironwood bow, prizzy 2 dualie, shortsword of sorrow... not best t6 weaps in game but darn close) This is wrong. I mean what the heck, super monk with a 1 million hand slap or what?</p><p>Now, try grouping in higher level content. see how many of your back shots are parried. Get a conj in your group, and watch how much more often his blazing seed procs for u than all others combined. Attempt to get the full spectrum of what we say is wrong. The fact that u went out and killed 10 mobs to form an opinion means nothing to me.</p><p>Stylee Mc'Cutta 62 ranga NEk</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Steezity on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:16 PM</span></p>

[dbmoreland]

Well it turns out I AM NOT playing the same game as the rest of you. There is another "ninja nerf" that is a play here that few people have mentioned directly: THE MOBS ARE DIFFERENT! Previous to LU20 the different mobs did NOT really play all that differently. Yes there were SOME casters but overall I notice very little difference between white no arrow mob A and white no arrow mob B. It seems that post LU20 different mobs play VERY differently. The plants and bugs that I have been playing against are VERY different than the "sentient" mobs that the rest of you have been having all of your problems with. My most humble appologies.<div></div>

[Cael]

<div></div><p>The mobs are different in the game, not just in the new area. I created an alt, suprise suprise as a disillusioned 56 ranger, and was hit by arrows....ARROWS were sticking out of me. This had NEVER happened to me before. But to add to my suprise, it was a from a mob standing in my face and no bow in his hand.....I guess mobs dont have the same restrictions we do. :smileyvery-happy: .................:smileysurprised:................ .....:smileyindifferent:......................:smi leysad:......../cry</p><p>Man what happened to my ranger, dont even log her on anymore unless i want to buy something for an alt</p><p> </p>

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>rcknchr74 wrote:<div></div>You have just showed SoE a way to fix us. Give everyone Legendary equipment and all CA should be changed from app1 to Ad3 when you get them. How about the people who cant afford to have all Legendary and Ad3. I myself do have mostly Legendary gear but at 40 i havent bothered going after Ad3 til i see whether i need to get my melee to Ad3 or the bow shots. But how about the people who cant do that. Should a Ranger be totally worthless if you just have the items you find off quest or mobs. I dont think so but that just my opinion.<hr></blockquote><p>at levels 40-47 so far i have had the exact same experience as db has had. all my spells are adept1 or lower except 1 master that i managed to get cheap. i have only 2 pieces of crafted gear all the rest are drops or quest items. level 40-50 is easily soloable.</p><p>bongo</p>

[Teksun]

I'm 62 and have NO trouble killing yellow v mobs. I've only solo'd the aviaks (I usually group, so I am NO master soloer), but to me they are perfect to fight. Maybe you just need to find a different mob to kill.<div></div>

[Bithnar]

<div></div>I had no problem with yellow down arrows Dune Spiders and scarabs last night in SS it was the bloody blue plate diggers that gave me the most trouble with their leet ninja/neo/Chuck Norris arrow parrying abilities.

[TerriBlades]

<div>Im sorry Steezity, but Im not buying the fact that you got owned by yellow down arrow mobs, you're better equiped then I am I would imagine, as my fabled gear is only from DoF Instances, and I only have two master CAs the rest are Adept 3s and I have very little trouble soloing yellow (Solo conned) mobs with no arrows, or arrowed down. Now Im not going to say that they arent parrying your attacks... Ive seen this happen.. quite a bit actually with the frogs in near the bottom of SoS, however they parried much less once they started to con yellow (could hardly hit them with my bow at all when they were orange). Had you said you tried to fight an orange conned mob and lost, Id understand why, but losing to a yellow conned mob shouldnt happen, unless you pull more then one encounter, or started before you were fully healed. Cheap Shot works wonders to take a mob down fast, as does Point Blank Shot. Use them both, they are your friends.</div><div> </div><div>Nesse</div><div>63 (64 after tonight) Ranger</div><div>Oasis</div>

[Caliga]

Know what's odd?  First off, I'd never even think about attacking herioc mobs with my ranger.  I didn't before the nerf, I wouldn't after.  If it says for a group, then I don't do it, as I am obviously not a group.  Now my conj is a group, tank, healer, mage. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   But I think of them as a class made for soloing, so I think thats a good thing.Right after the nerf, as soon as the servers were up, I went to SS and I tried to fight.  I noticed the nerf, but I had no problems at all. The next day, I went to the same place, fought the same mobs and got my butt handed to me!  Whether I won or lost a fight completely depended on whether my poison proced.  And on one day I got luck and the next I was not.Since then I have come up with strategies to counter this.  And I can now solo without problem.  But I had to pull some spells out of my book that were old and dusty.  I also had to upgrade them to adept 3 status.  So in the end, money determines whether a ranger can solo or not.<div></div>

[Caliga]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Bithnar wrote:<div></div>I had no problem with yellow down arrows Dune Spiders and scarabs last night in SS it was the bloody blue plate diggers that gave me the most trouble with their leet ninja/neo/Chuck Norris arrow parrying abilities.<hr></blockquote>Yeah, those plate diggers have heightened senses.</span></div>

[Katzil]

<div><blockquote><hr>Now at level 56 I am NOT in "junk" equipment. I have all legendary player made armor and jewelery (or treasured that I found had better stats), including a pair of hex dolls. All three of my weapons are legendary. All of my spells are Adept 3 except for the two masters I found for less than 2plat each. Sorry but MY ranger at least is NOT "broken" not by a LONG shot.<hr></blockquote>Lol .. at 56? </div><div> </div><div>Lessee .. that's about 29 (if I counted right) Ad3's.  Another dozen-ish for gear.  Lets' call it 40 rares.  Takes about 2 hours to harvest a rare on average ... give or take.  Maybe 20g on average to make (weighing imbue costs with fairly normal tradeskill costs). </div><div> </div><div>So 80 hours of game time + adventuring to make the cash to buy + finding tradeskillers, etc. .. maybe 100 hours total.</div><div> </div><div>About 8p for cost .. 10'ish including your masters. </div><div> </div><div>Or perhaps you bought your rares?  That'd set you back maybe 80g each?  (again conservative .. I've never seen Pearl or Vanadium go for that low).  So add another 32p. </div><div> </div><div>Not one to make conclusions, given almost anything is possible .. but on the balance, I'd say the probability is either you've invested a HUGE amount of time harvesting .. or are a twink.  Either way .. you're not representative of the class.  That's fine of course .. but please don't post as if you are.</div>

[dbmoreland]

Yep 40 rares, cost about 80g each plus another 20g or so to turn them into the spell or gear, so yes 40plat. Takes about 2 hours to earn each plat either by harvesting or tradeskilling or adventureing in the 50s (I am averaging around 50g per hour from the loot drops in DoF zones (SS and PoF) so yes about 80 hours. I average about one level every 1.5 weeks or so. I have been at this for a LONG time, 16 levels in fact until I got to this point, so about 24 weeks. Of that 24 weeks (480 hours of game play, I play about 20 hours per week) I spent about 100 hours of it (about 1/5 of my play time) doing what was needed to equip myself VERY well. Was I this well equiped at 40, NO WAY. But when I was 40 I desided that when I got to my mid 50s I wanted to be able to take on Yellow mobs, instead of the blues and the ocasional white I was fighting in my 40s. So I figured out what it would take, I planed on 50plat. I talked to my guildies and asked how I could do it. They suggested selling totems (since I was a woodcrafter). I sold 100s of them for 3-5g each. Once I got into the DoF zones I started getting book and spell drops that sold to the NPC merchants for 3-4g each, more to players when I could. I was getting these "valuable treasure" drops that were selling to the NPC merchants for 10g+ each. So yes I spent a LOT of time equiping myself. And as a level 56 player, compared to MOST of the level 56+ players that are posting on this forum I AM representative of the class. NOT a level 40 of the class but a high 50s of the class.<div></div>

[Dirtgirl]

<div></div><div></div><p><font color="#99ff99">I found I have no trouble soloing a heroic ^ yellow mob 2 levels over my if it is a caster type. On the island of Aversion in BS, there are lots of Abominations. Big blobs with one eye and tentacles. They are mostly level 64 65 and 66 down arrows, no arrows and one named ^. I went there at 63 and had no trouble to speak of on the down arrow and no arrow mobs so long as I stuck to one at a time. To me no problem is not dropping below 30% health unless its the named. On the named it was a super close fight. I think Brutal Instincts saved me in the end cause all my timers were down and I was out of stuns also so it went toe to toe. They never once parried or blocked me, but they are casters, not brawlers apparently  lol. My thorny trap was working on them consistently even tho they are flying mobs. And let me tell you, AA in AGI line for Point Blank Shot  =  waaaaay better soloing. 4 seconds for me is aften life or death.</font></p><p><font color="#99ff99">Tried this same thing on the island with ravasects. Blues were eating my lunch. Apparently Chuck is a an ugly bug that roams around KoS and moves very quickly. So yes, there is a HUGE disparity between mobs now.</font></p><p><font color="#99ff99">I think SOE needs to look at the brawler class mobs a little more closely, because they are doing outright godly acts in combat.</font></p><p><font color="#99ff99">And oh, BTW, I run one Fabled the Prizzy 2.0 DWs, Ironwood bow, a couple pieces of Fabled jewelry and have all Adept 3s with I think 5 T6 masters thrown.I like to think of myself as "above average" for the class as far as gear goes.</font></p><p>Message Edited by Dirtgirl on <span class="date_text">03-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:04 AM</span></p>