Petition - Save the Rangers.

[Jaack Daniels]

<div></div><div></div><div><font size="5" color="#cc0000">This is a petition it does not require any input, flames, or hi-jacking of the thread. If you agree simply reply with a /agree /nod sign your name and we will call it even. If you do not agree do not reply. It is a petition to save the Ranger class.</font></div><div> </div><div>Ok, for whatever reasons we've been given its pretty much cut and dry where the nerf came from and i can't completely disagree with it. But... SOE's solution has been overkill.</div><div> </div><div>People complaining that Rangers are overpowered in pvp. Rangers bragging about how they solo entire zones.</div><div>SOE has been catching flak from the rest of the community for a little while now about some of this. But the wrong path was taken to solve the problem. Instead of a small nerf they hit all the classes with a small nerf and crippled rangers from the aspect of the ammount of initial damage that could be done with the bow before a mob closes within melee range at which point depending on what it is and what was used could be anywhere from 50%-25%hp on a solo mob. With a tank ranger dps full speed aoe's and some of the best poisons and gear available was running 400-800 on a single heroic and as high as 1200-1500 on large groups with ae's. After the KoS release it is down to 150-250 and 300-400 with ae's. Where did all this dps go? They doubled the cast timer between arrows on stream. Practically removed all procs and poisons. Basically rendering our class useless for just about any purpose. Tanks make up for their lack of dps in defense, hp, and mitigation. Rangers don't have that luxury. Nor do we have the root capabilities of the mages. So they take away our main source of survival with no real compensation. We are forced to group at which point we are not a real effective addition as we are below even the average monk dps among other tank classes.</div><div> </div><div>The problem to begin with was not our dps but rather the tools we were given. One in particular and that is stun poison and stream of arrows rendering anything in our path that cant avoid a constant barrage pretty much locked in place to die. SOE over compensates by removing all procs and poisons in an effort to "balance" the situation, destroying the ranger class as this combined with their series attacks ie triple arrow and precise shot was the MAIN source of initial dps.</div><div> </div><div>Solution to everyones problem at this point to give every melee class the dps boost they need to survive in the new zones is to restore the old proc system and eliminate stun poisons all together. This will restore rangers dps, hamper their abilities to solo heroics and overwhelm opponents in duels, and put balance back in place. The dps wasn't the problem but it seemed the quickest solution. Remove the recipe let the rangers burn off what ever supplies they have left and put the old proc and CA system back in place and this should help restore the class as a core melee dps class.</div><p>Message Edited by Jaack Daniels on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:25 AM</span></p>

[Dark_Moons_Rising]

<div></div><p>/nod</p><p>Ledoakain Mistrunner</p><p>56 Ranger</p><p>Vengeance</p><p>Butcherblock</p>

[Gailstryd]

<div></div><p>I'll lend an /agree.  I don't honestly see us getting our procs back but I do see how this would be a form of a solution and regardless of what goes down there is some tweaking that needs done. </p>

[Tarryn]

<div></div><p>I'll /agree too.  Proc effects were obviously broken and likely needed the fix--but they absolutely need to compensate to put our damage to where it should be.</p><p>In posts from both Blackguard and Gallenite, they've implied that they feel this fix put rangers where they should be, but that they're keeping an eye on things.</p><p>Well, if the latter is true, they should already know by now that rangers are <em>NOT </em>where they should be.  I expect a correction to this issue forthwith.</p><p>... Actually, I'm just desperately <em>hoping</em> for a correction, before the newly un-fun combat wears down my enjoyment to the point that I cannot bring myself to play anymore.  EQ1 did it to my ranger there, I just hope beyond hope that EQ2 doesn't follow suit.</p>

[Ai064]

<div></div>/nod

[Sirlutt]

petitions are against forum policy .. much as i agree with this one.,<div></div>

[Guy De Alsace]

This post will be locked but I agree. Making my Ranger into a Blademaster using AP anyway. Might help me at soloing..who knows. Pity I never was able to do the strangely mythical with my Ranger pre LU20. I have no idea where half these campfire tales come from...<div></div>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<div></div><p>/agrees</p><p> </p><p>As a 41st level Ranger with only Adept-1 CAs, makeshift arrows, some half-way, (but real expensive poisons), and only mediocre gear, I am haveing a terrible time after LU-20.</p><p>I am, and have always been, a solo player.  Now I am forced to fight MOBs which are 5-6 levels lower than I am for virtually no exp.</p><p>A blue solo, or a white solo, is a 50/50 venture for me.  I'm still in Zek, hunting, and not doing well at all.</p><p>PLEASE fix this.</p>

[Mirdo]

<div>/Agree something needs to be done.</div><div> </div><div>Mirdo.</div>

[coltla]

<blockquote><hr>Sirlutt wrote:petitions are against forum policy .. much as i agree with this one.,<div></div><hr></blockquote>That's ok. No one at SoE cares about rangers and as such these forums are unread. (c'mon DEVs prove me wrong, PROVE ME WRONG!)EDIT: (This can only be done [proving me wrong] by fixing our class.) Don't send in a forum mod posing as a "Game Designer" to lock the thread, but rather fix us! ... Please?<p>Message Edited by coltlane on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:15 AM</span></p>

[klepp]

<div></div><div>/nod</div>

[tom1301]

/nodAlthough it is as of now of little interest to me, since I've cancelled my account today, partially due to what they did to my poor Ranger, which has been my favourite char.Kind regards,tom1301<div></div>

[zendoran]

<div></div>Agreed

[ridd]

/agreeCount me in. I left eq1 because my bard was constantly nerfed and even in the top guild, i wasnt where i should i have been. I had loved everyday of eq2 since i crossed over 6 months ago until this week. I will not tolerate being treated like this. I am a paying customer and you can not treat us like this. 1 finger pointing will do nothing; but get a bunch of fingers together and make a fist, you make an impact. If you want changes and demand it fellow players (not just rangers, anyone who is treated unjustly), threaten to cancel your account. A few years ago, warrior in eq1 did a stand down and changes were made as a result because enough people cancelling their accounts makes a difference. I for one will not only cancel my account, my wife's account, i will not buy sony products. All they care about is the bottom line ($$$$$). If WoW didn't look so bad, i would jump ship. Sad thing is i truly loved eq2, hopefully Vanguard will be different.Brendan Vanguard'ftw60 rangerBlackburrow Server <Nerfed><div></div>

[Bro]

/Agree3 accounts waiting to be cancelled if something is not done. I came here after the CU in SWG, I'm rapidly losing faith in SOE ever getting combat balance right. At least give the veterans a slab of AA points to see if that does anything to help, or allow us to respec.<div></div>

[snack-machine]

<div>/agree</div>

[SIlly Muffin]

<div></div><p>/agree</p><p>muffin</p>

[Zodi]

<div></div><p>diasgree / ranger still are on the t1 DPS slot.</p><p>Maybe they need some other control abilities for soloing. In my opinion now they are balanced with warlords /wizzies and other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>I know it sucks.. but lets be realistic. ALl the previous pos ton this forum were about highest meele records and highest heroics ^^^ people solo. </p>

[Taubin]

/nod wholeheartadly agreeTaubin Darscrioslvl 60 Ranger (retired untill were fixed)Child of GrobbEverfrost ServerProud member of Dynasty of the Flame<div></div>

[chanaho]

/agree<div></div>

[Allowin]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Zodian wrote:<div></div><p>diasgree / ranger still are on the t1 DPS slot.</p><p>Maybe they need some other control abilities for soloing. In my opinion now they are balanced with warlords /wizzies and other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>I know it sucks.. but lets be realistic. ALl the previous pos ton this forum were about highest meele records and highest heroics ^^^ people solo. </p><hr></blockquote>that i will agree with.but as for the OP. i dont agree.... your spitting in the wind.as a guard, we did this and a ton more to try and get unnerfed after LU13, but i can tell you now. its no use.you guys were wayyy overpowered after LU13 and your just now getting brought back down to earth. you guys were head and shoulders above the rest and now your not.welcome to being the guardians of LU13</span></div>

[Dessellion4]

<div></div><p>/agree</p><p>SOE say they're listening - prove it!</p><p>Arcos - lvl42 Ranger of Crushbone (retired till fixed)</p>

[xfres]

<div>/agree to fixing the ranger class!</div>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p>/agree</p><p>But, I dont think they are going to change. For one I am done with EQ2. Mostly I am done with SOE. They have demonstrated time and time again throughout the course of this game that they have no master plan and no development plan. They treat their customers with disdain and disrespect and their customer service is naught. I will never give my money to SOE again for anything.</p><p>IBTL<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[coltla]

<blockquote><hr>Allowin wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Zodian wrote:<div></div><p>diasgree / ranger still are on the t1 DPS slot.</p><p>Maybe they need some other control abilities for soloing. In my opinion now they are balanced with warlords /wizzies and other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>I know it sucks.. but lets be realistic. ALl the previous pos ton this forum were about highest meele records and highest heroics ^^^ people solo. </p><hr></blockquote>that i will agree with.but as for the OP. i dont agree.... your spitting in the wind.as a guard, we did this and a ton more to try and get unnerfed after LU13, but i can tell you now. its no use.you guys were wayyy overpowered after LU13 and your just now getting brought back down to earth. you guys were head and shoulders above the rest and now your not.welcome to being the guardians of LU13</span></div><hr></blockquote>We were too high, nobody contests that. But now we parse far below the other tier 1 DPS classes (infact we're farther BELOW then we were ABOVE. Unless you failed math you know that "less then" is NOT "equal too".Obviously you have played the class for many levels so "thanks" for the input. /sarcasmIn the words of The Gord, "<b>Door is to your left."</b>

[coltla]

<blockquote><hr>Zodian wrote:<div></div><p>diasgree / ranger still are on the t1 DPS slot.</p><p>Maybe they need some other control abilities for soloing. In my opinion now they are balanced with warlords /wizzies and other T1 DPS classes.</p><p>I know it sucks.. but lets be realistic. ALl the previous pos ton this forum were about highest meele records and highest heroics ^^^ people solo. </p><hr></blockquote>Wow, with all those parses it's hard to disagree.We guys he's shown us, lets pack it up.

[El Dominion]

<div>/nod</div><div> </div><div>For what its worth.</div><div> </div><div>In my experience SOE almost never admit to making mistakes, and this is a whopper. To put it right would be an admittance of that mistake, so I dont hold my breath. So I have just retired my favourite toon, he now sits along side my Templar nerfed since LU13. I guess my monk just got promoted to favourite.</div><div> </div><div>I also have a warlock and a wizard, they are ok but were never as much fun as the Ranger for someone that solo's a lot.</div>

[Allowin]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>coltlane wrote:Obviously you have played the class for many levels so "thanks" for the input. /sarcasmIn the words of The Gord, "<b>Door is to your left."</b><hr></blockquote>never said i did play a ranger very far. and anybody who says they didnt roll a ranger and atleast play around with it after LU13 is crazy. we all did. rangers were the uber of uber dps.i stated in my post that you guys are spitting in the wind. everyone of you can post hate threads, claim your quitting and can actually quit. sony does not care. for every one of you who quit, theres 2 more botter/farmers to take your place. sony has proved that $15 a month is $15 a month. either from you or a plat farmer/botter/macro user.im just trying to save you guys some time by letting you know its not gonna work. you can do all this but you should be out looking at your class and seeing what you can do to maxamize the dps you CAN still do.rangers were well overpowered after LU13 and you all know it. you were scaled down to be more inline with other T1 dps.guards felt the same way after we had our [Removed for Content] chopped off after LU13. and we were just told to relearn our class because it wasnt going to change. same thing your going to get told. relearn your class. ranger are NOT below T1 dps. sure, you may be lower than a wizard or brigand in one fight, but your gonna be above them in another. but your just mad because your not 2X above EVERYBODY in EVERY fight like you were before LU20.ive grouped with several rangers since KoS release and 2 were haters and complained non stop during the grind. all i heard was i hate this game, im going to quit. this sucks. i cant do anything. the others just talked about what was nerfed and spent the whole time relearning how to play and how to do max DPS with what they had. and 70% of the fights those rangers who actually tried to relearn and were open to changes still out dps'ed my wizard. and a few fights were by 50 dps or more.so try learning how to play with what you have now instead of crying about what you had 1 week ago.bottom line is whine and cry all you wont. its not gonna change. rangers will never be the overpowered dps machine they were before LU20. post till your blue in the face. its not gonan happen.just like guards will never be overpowered tanks like we were before LU13. i know. cause i did the same thing your doing now. posting threats about quitting and ranting and crying all the time.but after we gave up, and actually went and played our guards, we got small fixes and changes as it went along. sure were not uber tanks anymore. and sure, we lack dps and some utility and the ability to solo. but we can tank just as well as the other fighters.sure, rangers may lack utility and the ability to solo. but if there is truly a problem, it will get fixed. just dont expect to be back to what you were before LU20.its not gonna happen</span></div>

[Echgar]

<div><span>Sorry, but petitions and polls are not permitted per the <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=faq&message.id=25">Forum Rules of Conduct</a>.</span></div>