for all the rangers who say "were ok" and "were equal to other t1 dps classes"

[klepp]

<div>why was my guild making fun of me after our xp group last night?  I had the bruiser and the conjurer and the swashbuckler out dps'ing me... i was using legendary poison, the swash was using NO poison....</div><div>yea we're "fixed" alright.... blals ripped right off</div><p>Message Edited by klepp on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:53 AM</span></p>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p>Yeah I got to agree with you there Klepp. I was wandering around Tenebrous Jungle last night at 60 trying to kill those random solo mobs that are 56-58 no arrows. If I pulled iwth my bow and got no procs off my shot, then almost every time I had to evac or run because the mob was on me with too much health. If my bow did proc, I was usually successful but was still taken down to below 50% health each fight. This is fight mobs 4 levels below me in defensive stance with full legendary cobalt armor, a couple of pieces of fabled, and all Ad3 skills.</p><p>Then I figured I would get a group with my guildies since solo'ing obviously was not working. After the first fight, one of my guildies asked me "What happened to Rangers? What did they do to you guys?" Not  a single person in the guild was happy about the change. Because, guild members realize, that every has a job to perform and when they undercut the job of one character it affects the entire guild. This is what kills me about other classes calling for nerfs - this is PvE folks!</p><p>I hope we get fixed soon</p><p>Elbryan60 Ranger</p>

[Keredh]

<div></div><div>Yep... Parsed again for the second time in my life. Was vying for second place DPS with a bruiser, behind my regular swashbuckler partner. What gets me is that whilst we are both equally equipped, all her skills are adept I. Mine are all at least adept III. She was sometimes doing twice the damage. I just don't think they have a serious idea of how the majority of rangers play the game in Live. They have numbers from whatever ranger they copied to test and boosted to 70 in full fabled and that somehow is what we are all like. I am not posting the figures again - drew no interest last time.</div><div> </div><div>We needed a downshift in DPS (even though we pay for the privilege of T1). We didn't need this.</div><div> </div><div>Ker</div>

[Trollb]

<div></div><div>Chain armor, can kite just about anything, can Evac, has all the main utility that the other scouts do, can stay out of AOE in raids.</div><div> </div><div>Honestly retaining top dps for this class would mean it shouldnt be called ranger, it should be called Jedi.</div><div> </div><div>Want top tier dps; i guess give up utility and roll a warlock and shut it. Im not exactly cheering about your nerf like i was yesterday, since it means everyone will eventually get one, but I am glad that there is some semblance of balance in the force.</div>

[Ranja]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Trollboy wrote:<div></div><div>Chain armor, can kite just about anything, can Evac, has all the main utility that the other scouts do, can stay out of AOE in raids.</div><div> </div><div>Honestly retaining top dps for this class would mean it shouldnt be called ranger, it should be called Jedi.</div><div> </div><div>Want top tier dps; i guess give up utility and roll a warlock and shut it. Im not exactly cheering about your nerf like i was yesterday, since it means everyone will eventually get one, but I am glad that there is some semblance of balance in the force.</div><hr></blockquote><p>You are really starting to [Removed for Content] me off. You have no idea about the ranger class. You act liking kiting is something we can do so easily. We can only kite by using auto-attack now and that is an area with no adds. Which means it is about 1% of the entire EQ2 universe. If by main utility you mean evac and track sure we get that. But, rogues and bards have so much more utility than us it is ridiculous. Go away and stop posting where you are not wanted.</p><p>Elbryan</p><p>60 Ranger</p>

[Allowin]

i hate to say this, but if your lvl 60, and you cant kill a lvl 55-56 no arrow solo mob........you need to move your toon to a exchange server and sell it.bottom line is rangers were WAYYY overpowered. you know it, i know it, and sony knew it. you DID need to be toned down. you guys are all sitting here crying about your nerfed, screw this game ect ect.well welcome to EQ2. your the new guardian on LU20.yes guards got nerfed in LU13. but we were the best tanks..period. and we got nerfed down to being a average tank. now all fighters tank as well as us. sure were still lacking in alot of other areas. brawlers can out dps us by a mile. but thats sony. moornoob plays a bruiser so i dont see it changing.rangers were the uber top dps class. and you got nerfed. now every T1 dps class can parse numbers to compare to a ranger......live with it.if your gonna sit here and say that XXXXX class (yes i even saw where a ranger said the templar was out dps'ing him) then you honestly need to reroll another toon.you guys didnt get killed off. you just got put on par with all the other T1 dps.the same rangers here crying about being nerfed are the same ones who were in silent city soling white/yellow heroic ^^^ mobs pre LU20and thats not right<div></div>

[Trollb]

<div></div><p>"If by main utility you mean evac and track sure we get that. But, rogues and bards have so much more"</p><p>Rogues have so much more as in ... what single target mezz, an extra 1 second stun attack? Certainly not the taunt; you have that too. Oh wait... the detaunt! Oh you have that too. Darn. The 5% increase defensive stance? surely that must be it!</p><p>Bards have more, yes; but even between your tears im sure you can see you outdamage them.</p><p>To let the ranger have the top tier, would be the same as just giving them a lightsaber and calling them jedi. Everyone knows it - some just dont want to give it up.</p><p>A little higher dmg than rogue is about all you should be asking for, honestly.</p>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr><font color="#ccff00">Trollboy wrote:</font><div></div><hr></blockquote><p></p><hr></blockquote>Please dont feed the trolls. This seems to be his hobby so Ignore him and go on. you are correct in saying that all other scouts have our utility and more but it will just be twisted around anyways to say that we are whining. What I dont understand is why NONE of our bow CA's work on the run. For the master of bows we sure suck at using them then <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Veritis]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>bentgate wrote:<div></div><p>Yeah I got to agree with you there Klepp. I was wandering around Tenebrous Jungle last night at 60 trying to kill those random solo mobs that are 56-58 no arrows. If I pulled iwth my bow and got no procs off my shot, then almost every time I had to evac or run because the mob was on me with too much health. If my bow did proc, I was usually successful but was still taken down to below 50% health each fight. This is fight mobs 4 levels below me in defensive stance with full legendary cobalt armor, a couple of pieces of fabled, and all Ad3 skills.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Not exactly sure what you are doing but I had not problems with these.  Sure they are still alive once they get to me unlike prior to LU 20,  but dont last long afterwards either and my health stays in green.  Our DPS has definetely been severly reduced but we definetely can solo Blue solo mobs with somewhat ease.  Initially I had some problems with these but then I just reverted to my Pre LU13 tactics.  Its a tough pill to swallow but something that we have to get used to until the devs get around to "fixing us" . I realize I dont have many posts but I have been Ranger on Lucan since just after launch.</p><p>Talius Woodspirit</p><p>Level 60 Ranger 56 Armorer</p><p>Lucan D'Lere</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Veritis on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:51 AM</span></p>

[Khevy]

<div>Allowin,  you really have no clue do you?</div><div> </div><div>I am have half my gear in Fabled the rest is legendary and all my CA's in Adept III or Master.  I Went all out in a raid and not once did I steal aggro from our MT (I got aggro once, and was all happy till our wizard said he cast the wrong spell and caused aggro to ping pong).  I didn't even use a aggro reducer other than primal agility.  I was also out DPS'd by the MT. I fired every CA I had as soon as I could to try and steal aggro and I just couldn't.  No Ranger would have a problem if we were equal to the other Tier 1 DPS.  But as it stands now, we are not.  That is what Rangers want; to be equal to other T1 DPS, dont' get it confused.  My solo DPS last night was 220-250 my Raid DPS was 340-380.  Something is really wrong with that.</div>

[Azzazal]

Well after a "test" on Azzazal my beloved eq1/eq2 ranger, All i can really say is the door will be smacking my ase on the way out as i slammed it so hard,Good going Sony <3 /ponderAzzazalKiller of all eq1 gods, killer of nowt in eq2.<div></div>

[Keredh]

<div></div><p>Yep Allowin... We are simply pointing out that contrary to what the Devs, you and countless other class whingers think we are not T1. We want to be in T1. Not top of T1. Not twice T1. We simply want to be in T1. Where we are supposed to be. You clearly do have no clue. If you can't see that from the parse data that has been posted, the experiences reported from live then I am afraid you are the one who is lacking in the understanding department.</p><p>Not all of us were into soloing the roost (I understand some classes still can), or taking on heroic triple ups several levels above us. This is not balancing in any regular understanding of that word.</p><p>My swashy partner just read the ranger forums and pointed out she doesn't use legendary poisons. So... A swashy with Adept Is and regular poisons is outdamaging (significantly) Adept IIIs with legendaries. Now, for those prone to misunderstanding and seeing everything in terms of a comparative class whinge, this is not a call to nerf swashies. In fact, the worst possible solution would be to gank another class in order to put rangers back into T1, whether another scout or a caster. It is simply stating the facts.</p><p>Basically: we no longer do ranged damage in the way we are designed to (look at the balance of our CAs). When solo, mob hits melee range and we melee with our limited melee CAs. It is no wonder at all that a swashy, that is primarily melee oriented, is outdamaging a ranger. It isn't rocketscience and it doesn't require a parser. In group situations, the damage is closer - but the swashy is still ahead and the ranger is not sitting in T1. Now if others have a problem with rangers being T1 DPS, for which they pay for the privilege (name another class that pays for consumables to do all its significant damage), then just come out and say it. This isn't about being the ubergods of damage - it is about doing the job we were told we were to do. Not above the others, not peeing on them from a great height - being with them.</p><p>If you think otherwise, show us your parse data that backs up your point of view.</p><p>Ker</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Ai064]

<div></div><em><img alt="" width="1" border="0" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" height="1"></em><div><em></em></div><div><em>Chain armor, can kite just about anything, can Evac, has all the main utility that the other scouts do, can stay out of AOE in raids.</em></div><div><em></em> </div><div><em>Honestly retaining top dps for this class would mean it shouldnt be called ranger, it should be called Jedi.</em></div><div><em></em> </div><div><em>Want top tier dps; i guess give up utility and roll a warlock and shut it. Im not exactly cheering about your nerf like i was yesterday, since it means everyone will eventually get one, but I am glad that there is some semblance of balance in the force.</em></div><div><em></em> </div><div>I  cannot WAIT for your class to get nerfed.  I will be laughing so hard I will probably [Removed for Content] all over myself and the floor, but it will be WELL worth it to see you get yours.</div>

[SIlly Muffin]

<div>Keredh,</div><div> </div><div>Well said ! :smileyhappy:</div><div> </div><div>muffin</div>

[Bithnar]

<div>Ack!  I dont care how much a troll Trollboy is dont wish his class nerfed, nor anyone elses for that matter.   For one thing Trollboy isn't the only person who plays that class, and second you are sinking to HIS level, yuck!</div>

[Ai064]

<div></div>I'm content with sinking to the levels of all the whiners.  The rest of you guys can be the more rational.  However I'm tired of being rational with morons AND SOE.  Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I bother to make that distinction....

[Kaelos_]

I went to AT yesterday with my buddies. group was paladin, templar, warlock, assassin, troub, ranger(me)It was your normal AT run. We killed everything fast and hardly stopped to smell the roses.I was able to keep up with the assassin once every 6-7 fights or so, but most of the time he  blew my dps away.  He consistently parsed 200-400dps above me.I had Adeste and Shissar poisons up. I have master 1 of our offensive stance.  I had almost 400str  and he had less.   I just could not keep up.  During that run I constantly had to wait for my bow skills to refresh.I think that with the new changes; if they made it so our bow skills refreshed faster so we could use them more our dps would go up in line to what they should be.  Now I'm not sure by how much faster, but it's a thought.  What do you guys think?I know we were overpowered before and I wish we didn't depend on procs for dps since lu13 to begin with.  If we didn't have to depend on procs, they probably would've raised the bow skill damage or increased their refresh timers a long time ago.  Besides, I'd rather do consistent tier 1 dps without having to rely on procs/poisons.  Costs too much to dps that way.  It would mean less money towards poisons. <div></div>