An impartial view on the Ranger changes

[Daramm]

<a href="http://eq2.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=732&meid" target="_blank">Here</a> is a fair and unbiased view of the recent controversy surrounding rangers with LU20. . .

[Vimy]

<div></div>Hehe.   <font>Coyotee always makes me laugh.  <span></span>And if ya can't laugh at yourself then who can ya laugh at while your LFG?   </font><font><span>:smileyhappy:</span></font><div></div>

[Bithnar]

<p><sigh> nevermind</p><p>Message Edited by Bithnar on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:37 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Bithnar on <span class="date_text">02-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:41 PM</span></p>

[Taubin]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vimy wrote:<div></div>Hehe.   <font>Coyotee always makes me laugh.  <span></span>And if ya can't laugh at yourself then who can ya laugh at while your LFG?   </font><font><span>:smileyhappy:</span></font><div></div><hr></blockquote>/agreeWhen I first read it, I got kinda upset, but, than I realized it's Coyote, he picks on everyone <span>:smileywink:</span> And, he has always made me laugh</span></div>

[Carna]

<div></div><p>I defy anybody to take a Ranger into the field and compare them to any other similar Rogue, Predator or Brawler and then come back and make wisecracks about Ranger soloing.</p><p>I only play a Ranger on and off in passing, and any muppet can circle straff backwards until a mob is dead as long as the mob can be hit and kept from hitting you, hell I've done it with my Brigand once or twice in emergencies... that does not soloing make.... Any mob a Ranger can kill in 1min solo a Wizard can kill in 20seconds.</p><p>Any class that can keep a mob away from them by whatever means while dealing it damage can solo heroics. Whether they be caster or Ranger the mechanic is the same, and is not comparable to a melee soloing. It is unfair to single Rangers out in this regard without commenting on the other casters.</p><p>The characterisation in that piece was not only spiteful, but ignorant. Rangers aren't responsible for the status of either Assassin or Wizards. The same in reverse cannot be said to be completely true.</p>

[Taubin]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><p>I defy anybody to take a Ranger into the field and compare them to any other similar Rogue, Predator or Brawler and then come back and make wisecracks about Ranger soloing.</p><p>I only play a Ranger on and off in passing, and any muppet can circle straff backwards until a mob is dead as long as the mob can be hit and kept from hitting you, hell I've done it with my Brigand once or twice in emergencies... that does not soloing make.... Any mob a Ranger can kill in 1min solo a Wizard can kill in 20seconds.</p><p>Any class that can keep a mob away from them by whatever means while dealing it damage can solo heroics. Whether they be caster or Ranger the mechanic is the same, and is not comparable to a melee soloing. It is unfair to single Rangers out in this regard without commenting on the other casters.</p><p>The characterisation in that piece was not only spiteful, but ignorant. Rangers aren't responsible for the status of either Assassin or Wizards. The same in reverse cannot be said to be completely true.</p><hr></blockquote>Have you ever read any of Coyote's other works?  It's mean to be humorous and that's it.  He makes ppl laugh when they are having a hard time with the nerf bat.  He is a great person an in no way shape or form an ingorant person.  I can't quite say the same for some others, but...  Take time and read some of his other works and you may understand....<span>:smileywink:</span></span></div>

[Gasisna]

That article is hilarious. It puts alot of different perspectives to the recent changes to light. Got to have a sense of humor, this is all for a video game and so far (even though it has only been 1 day) I have had as much fun as before. Though I am only 53 and group with my RL wife and fellow guild members regularly.

[Cael]

<div></div>That WAS really funny :smileyvery-happy:

[KnightOfTheWo]

<span><blockquote>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><p>I defy anybody to take a Ranger into the field and compare them to any other similar Rogue, Predator or Brawler and then come back and make wisecracks about Ranger soloing.</p><p>I only play a Ranger on and off in passing, and any muppet can circle straff backwards until a mob is dead as long as the mob can be hit and kept from hitting you, hell I've done it with my Brigand once or twice in emergencies... that does not soloing make.... Any mob a Ranger can kill in 1min solo a Wizard can kill in 20seconds.</p><p>Any class that can keep a mob away from them by whatever means while dealing it damage can solo heroics. Whether they be caster or Ranger the mechanic is the same, and is not comparable to a melee soloing. It is unfair to single Rangers out in this regard without commenting on the other casters.</p><p>The characterisation in that piece was not only spiteful, but ignorant. Rangers aren't responsible for the status of either Assassin or Wizards. The same in reverse cannot be said to be completely true.</p><hr></blockquote></span>Aye, it's Coyote, and one thing you must understand with Coyote: well...it's Coyote. I don't think anyone reads his articles anymore do they? (shuffles through papers) Nope. I tossed his stuff sometime last year. So remember: if you see Coyote as the author...like he always says, he doesn't really distinguish between classes. Everyone always says "Oh, it's just Coyote, nothing to see here, everyone move on..." Hope this helps. <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[Zaviur]

<div></div><p>I didn't find it funny.  Now if happen to another class it might be funny but in this case no not funny at all.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

[SenorPhrog]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Zaviur wrote:<div></div><p>I didn't find it funny.  Now if happen to another class it might be funny but in this case no not funny at all.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>It's humor and was meant to be funny.   Kind of hypocritical to think it'd be funny about another class.   As an actively playing Templar who didn't decide to make their new main a Fury I can laugh at this.   Lighten up a bit.   As the very wise individual above said, if you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at?</span></div>

[USAFJeeper]

<div>Read it.  Wasted a few minutes of my life.  Not funny even if it had been another clas in the target.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[GPA_Coyote]

<div></div>*kisses to all the arrow huckers*

[Gailstryd]

<div></div><div>It stung quite a bit specially after playing last night and feeling....gimped to say the least.  I'm sure this is all in good humor and I had myself a little laugh but in general not necessary and prolly not much of a good thing to put on the forums at this juncture.  Coyote I did think it was funny but don't expect me to jump in and help if some ranger decides to fire his silly string.....err I mean bow at you.</div>

[KongstadPS]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GPA_Coyote wrote:<div></div>*kisses to all the arrow huckers*<hr></blockquote><p>*takes 23506 damage and falls over*</p><p> </p><p>Just kiddin <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Fun read nevertheless.</p><p>Im a 31 ranger and rolling ranger on PvP servers. But I've been gone pretty much since LU13 up to LU20(or played my pally ) so I never got to experience the supposed overpoweredness. But hell I'm still rolling ranger just cause I love the class so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] much even if SOE aren't treating it too well as I can understand <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Racmo]

<div>Wasn't funny.  Even if it was another class.  What he did tell the truth about though is that SoE's quite happy having the classes pitted against each other.  That way no real concerted effort will be directed at them.  What's truly sad is that "coyote" does an accurate job at portraying it.</div><div> </div><div>Tobi</div><div>45 Ranger</div>

[GPA_Coyote]

<div></div><p>I bet the last time you smiled like...six birds fell dead from the sky. The seriousness here is overwhelming.</p><p>Have a hug - throw an insult at me - SOMETHING...but seriously...lighten up. You keep making that face and it'll stici..</p>

[ryan]

Hmm yer a poo poo head bugger eater. . .Take that you mean nasty ranger hating man !!<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Rahmn]

<div></div>Hilarious :smileyvery-happy:, but sadly mostly correct.

[SenorPhrog]

Come on...you know its funny.   Don't feel guilty, or like you are betraying something for laughing.  It's humor.  If he had done the same thing with a Templar story I'd have been laughing just as hard.<div></div>

[Halade]

<div></div><p>That was a good laugh... half of truth is said in jest, right? </p><p>on the money with other classes lining up to say we got what we deserved.  I started with a guard and used to giggle while i held aggro effortlessly... then i played a ranger and scarred the neigbors (and my dog) with hysterical laughter during odd hours of the morning after uber achievements... whether i was soloing nameds or just inspiring awe among guildies (or anyone watching) with the sheer DPS.  It was fun being the 'it' class for a while, now we can all despair and despise like deposed royalty as the anger/jealousy of those left out is heaped on in plentiful servings! </p><p>I will miss those days, just like i miss soloing epics with Touch of the Beholder, rooting them with Thorny Trap, or (practically) soloing Cazel (any named mob really) at point blank.  I hope SOE does their job and evaluates our class fairly, maybe throws us a post or two to let us know where they think we are in relation to where it ought to be, and what's being done about it. </p><p>IMO,the class is reminiscent of how we were pre-combat revamp, minus the now lost art of kiting :smileysad:.  Don't get a quarter of the invites as I did before, but i don't feel totally gimped or broken either. </p>

[Saihung23]

<span><blockquote><hr>Darammer wrote:<a target="_blank" href="http://eq2.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=732&meid">Here</a> is a fair and unbiased view of the recent controversy surrounding rangers with LU20. . .<hr></blockquote>             Oooo....I want to be so mad right now! But...I cant, Coyote is a refreshing person to have in the EQ2 community.  Alot of people love his articles...alot of people hate them.              Coyote is a comedian of sorts for this game...you can be insulted by him if you want to...but he is just joking.  I thought it was humorous...you could take any class and replace the ranger in this article with it...enchanter, wizard, guardian, templar....all of us at one point or another feel singled out...feel like SOE just wanted someone to whomp on and chose them.  I know I do to a certain extent.                 Fortunately and unfortunately this nerf is just another example of SOE's incompetence in making changes that work.  They never get it right (period) with very very few exceptions.  When SOE announces changes coming to your class that are positive and fix areas where they might be deficient you should really cringe and run for cover.  Normally that means that two or three months down the line when everyone else realizes they cursed your class by overpowering it ( a little or alot ) they will break out the sledgehammer and go to work on your class again.            I personally am tired of it...I am not going to be giving my money to SOE till the ranger class is repaired.  This is the opening so many flamers wait for...but I dont care.  Ranger is my favorite class, the one I identify most closely with...and the one I play 99.9% of the time.  Since starting EQ2 in Feb 2005 I have played a ranger almost exclusively.  So...why should I play when what I enjoy playing is gimped.             Now what I do and decide for myself should not have any influence on what others do...and I am not telling people to join me on the train out of town.  I will come back if changes are ever in place that I agree with..and really that is what it is about for me.  Do I enjoy the changes?  Do I enjoy the time I spend playing?  And to be perfectly honest no I dont, so I should step away...get some fresh air on my face. I wish you all well and will continue to post (some may not like that hehe) till my 90 day card is up...I think it will be soon.  Till then I will occassionally post the eff you soe post.  sorry...not every post will be that though <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Sai</span><div></div>

[Quillian Feetfa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><p>II only play a Ranger on and off in passing, and any muppet can circle straff backwards until a mob is dead as long as the mob can be hit and kept from hitting you, hell I've done it with my Brigand once or twice in emergencies... that does not soloing make.... <font color="#ff6633">Any mob a Ranger can kill in 1min solo a Wizard can kill in 20seconds</font>.</p><p>Any class that can keep a mob away from them by whatever means while dealing it damage can solo heroics. Whether they be caster or Ranger the mechanic is the same, and is not comparable to a melee soloing. It is unfair to single Rangers out in this regard without commenting on the other casters.</p><p>The characterisation in that piece was not only spiteful, but ignorant. Rangers aren't responsible for the status of either Assassin or Wizards. The same in reverse cannot be said to be completely true.</p><hr></blockquote>Hmmm....judging by this, maybe wizards are overpowered 3x more than the Rangers. 

[Zeijandi]

ITS NOT FUNNY, DAMNIT!/e throws fishAHAHAHAHA/e crieswaiiiieeeeee<div></div>

[Shadesl]

Thought it was rather good myself, seemed more of a jab at others taking pop shots at rangers, while they are down more then anything else. But it did take a few shots at rangers. I play many classes so I'm somewhat impartial. I've always thought rangers weren't far off the mark before lu20, yes they had damage but that's all they had. The other 3 classes I've played faired better far more often then my ranger (conj, monk & swash). But I understand the changes were needed for pvp, figured it was coming awhile ago myself. And I'm sure they will boost rangers back to t1 soon. Only problem is I really don't see much left for them to do with rangers except a rewrite, they have stripped away most everything that was a ranger over the months.<div></div>

[Star]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GPA_Coyote wrote:<div></div><p>I bet the last time you smiled like...six birds fell dead from the sky. The seriousness here is overwhelming.</p><p>Have a hug - throw an insult at me - SOMETHING...but seriously...lighten up. You keep making that face and it'll stici..</p><hr></blockquote>You're a dirty rotten scoundrel Coyote! :smileyvery-happy: Now I demand a hug! Pweeeeese?

[TaleraRis]

<div></div><p>Good old Coy. Glad to see him around here. He was great around the EQ1 boards.</p><p>And while I found it funny, it did sting a bit. We're not all like the ranger portrayed there.</p>

[jarlaxle8]

<div></div><p>OH NO! the tentonhammer / NGD stalkers have come to our board! now it is really proven that we Rangers are CURSED by some evil power!! :smileytongue:</p><p>---------------------------<a target="_self" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=383113204">Ryilan Nightbreeze </a>---------------------------</p>

[GPA_Coyote]

<div></div><p>MUAHAHAHHAHAaaaa....</p><p>I mean...um..</p><p>Loved you in the Dark Elf series.</p>

[jarlaxle8]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GPA_Coyote wrote:<div></div><p>Loved you in the Dark Elf series.</p><hr></blockquote><p>he he. jup. loved drizzt, but jarl and enteri where great characters added to the series. am looking forward to the next book with them as main 'heros' :smileyhappy:</p><p>---------------------------<a target="_self" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=383113204">Ryilan Nightbreeze </a>---------------------------</p>

[GPA_Coyote]

<div></div>I give you that Jarl was the man - by far.

[IBSomnifer]

<div></div><p>Nah i'm sorry.  I have a hard time laughing at something like this because I just wasted the months it took me to lvl the character.   I wanted a big DPS only class.  I didn't mind the plat i had to spend on arrows/poisons/potions and reapirs when it got away form me, if i could do the damage.  Things might get better down the line...but do i really wanna be there for it?  cause its just gonna happen again.  Its called a tough choice(wait/go/stay)  Its not somthing any of these people have taken lightly i dont think.  Making fun of someone wasting a year and a half of their time isn't funny.  Its sad on your part.</p><p>This is not the first time i've had to reroll.  My first character was a SK...they still are aweful.  If the character was fun in the least bit to play now...maybe, but i can't even solo a 56 mob when i'm in adept 3s and full legendary well anymore. </p><p> Its a problem with being geared for ranged fighting...but you can't keep the mob at ranged...thats what it all boils down to.  We did well soloing a ^^^ mob 3 lvls higher then us at lvl 60...mainly because we could use stun poisons.  Our proc rates with it kept the mob frozen where he was(at ranged). Also being able to cast arrows on the fly with 2 attks helped...but now thats gone as well lol.</p>