LU20: Report what you find, please

[Mimzel]

For those of us unable to test the new changes for various reasons, please report your findings on procs, dps, soloability and group-play as a ranger. Its interesting to have reports from all levels, as not all of us are lvl 50+ with all-legendary armor etc.Thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Sydares]

<div></div><p>Here's the breakdown of what I've noticed as a 34, so far, with pretty average gear.</p><p> </p><p>1. They have, for some unknown reason, changed all of our snares to last for 1.0 seconds. That's right. 1.0. They're not even worth using anymore.</p><p>2. Wounding Arrow line no longer castable when running.</p><p>3. Poison proc rate is fairly low, as we all expected - even con mobs reach me with approximately 65% health left, and I have to melee it down from there, as I have no way to escape them with snare crippled.</p><p>4. I end an even con solo encounter with 25% life left.</p><p> </p><p>Things are bad.</p>

[AChampi]

<div></div><div></div>It's pretty bad - to give you an idea here is a group consisting of a wiz / conj / ranger and 2 healers (a dps group - no tank) - 36 mins and 45 solo lvl 66/67 mobs (most no-arrows, some up one arrow).With me going all out ... I ended up feeling like a brigand and concentrating on my debuffs, snipe, forester's noose and making sure my focus fire was up as much as possible.Level 60 Wiz:<img src="http://www.achampion.info/cotw/wiz.png">Type    Duration    Damage    DPS    Average    Min Hit    Max Hit    Resist    Hits    SwingsTruss    03:46    0    0.00    NaN    0    0    magic    0    7Sunstrike    10:28    9239    14.71    1,026.56    806    1419    heat    9    15Ring of Ice    07:44    0    0.00    NaN    0    0    cold    0    4Killing    11:54    0    0.00    NaN    0    0    Death    0    11Incapacitate    13:43    54687    66.45    1,953.11    1468    2771    heat    28    41Ice Flame    13:50    8717    10.50    458.79    439    561    unknown    19    23Ice Comet    13:18    52720    66.07    4,055.39    2825    5132    cold    13    17Fiery Inferno    00:00    1873    0.00    936.50    928    945    heat    2    3Cremate    00:03    687    229.00    343.50    154    533    heat    2    2Ball of Incineration    13:47    73404    88.76    2,293.88    1597    2921    heat    32    40All    14:06    201327    237.98    1,917.40    154    5132    All    105    152Level 60 Ranger:<img src="http://www.achampion.info/cotw/damage.png">Type    Duration    Damage    DPS    Average    Min Hit    Max Hit    Resist    Hits    SwingsTriple Arrow    12:15    920    1.25    306.67    252    385    piercing    3    14Storm of Arrows    00:00    0    0    NaN    0    0    piercing    0    2Stealthy Fire    11:06    14523    21.81    2,420.50    1998    3067    piercing    6    8Sniper Shot    00:00    4748    0    4,748.00    4748    4748    piercing    1    1Snaring Shot    13:50    4129    4.97    317.62    236    411    piercing    13    28slash    00:00    40    0    40    40    40    slashing    1    1Shocking Thrust    00:00    309    0    309    309    309    heat    1    1Seed of Fire    10:52    1207    1.85    46.42    40    61    heat    26    26Quick Shot    12:49    7980    10.38    420    402    451    piercing    19    28Precise Shot    13:57    10453    12.49    373.32    275    497    heat    28    51pierce    14:04    10331    12.24    382.63    159    1026    piercing    27    98Lunging Blade    00:00    0    0    NaN    0    0    piercing    0    1Longshank    00:00    0    0    NaN    0    0    piercing    0    1Killing    12:06    0    0    NaN    0    0    Death    0    18Flameshield    00:01    30    30    30    30    30    heat    1    2Fatal Reminder    00:40    222    5.55    111    85    137    piercing    2    3declining periodic poison    12:07    15449    21.25    266.36    80    573    poison    58    58Debilitating Arrow    13:57    5364    6.41    894    709    1196    piercing    6    17Culling the Weak    12:31    3234    4.31    1,078.00    983    1245    piercing    3    7Confusion Arrow    12:36    3927    5.19    561    525    589    piercing    7    20Blooming Flames    10:43    3040    4.73    202.67    180    262    heat    15    15Arrow Rip    09:55    1722    2.89    574    545    611    piercing    3    5Ancient Venom    11:53    903    1.27    225.75    191    275    poison    4    9Amazing Shot    09:09    1518    2.77    759    759    759    piercing    2    3All    14:29    90049    103.62    398.45    30    4748    All    226    399The conjurer was on par with me without his pet - and I almost never pulled agro hence so little damage received (I pulled once when using Sniper's shot and hitting <span>:smileymad:</span>). Note the number of swings to hit ratio for rangers and the other classes. And how many of my skills never landed (Storm of arrows), or landed infrequently tripple arrow...Class    Start Time    Duration    Damage    Healed    DPS    Ext DPS    Hits    Swings    Dmg TakenWiz    01:47    14:06    201327    0    237.98    229.83    105    152    33028Conjurer's Pet    01:50    11:46    139528    0.00    197.63    159.28    420    877    59070Ranger    01:47    14:29    90049    0.00    103.62    102.8    226    399    1091Conjurer    01:47    14:15    89746    5,202.00    104.97    102.45    255    324    26803I was using Adeste's the whole evening without running out of procs (even my stun poison didn't run out of procs) and I have all Adept III's or Masters for my CA's - most of my bow arts are Masters.  -Slic<img src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/3262.png"><img src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/3262.png"><div></div><p>Message Edited by AChampion on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:47 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by AChampion on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:59 PM</span></p>

[davian9]

<div></div>I believe the 1.0 second snare is a bug.  Other classes with snares and stuns are having the same problem. 

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><p>Snares last the duration they are suppose to, not 1 second.</p><p>Actually snaring a mob and seeing it > text.</p>

[kartikeya]

<div></div><p>Level 60 ranger, nearly full cobalt armor, cobalt weapons, imbued ironwood bow, almost all abilities at adept 1, the single master ii ability, and one at adept III (the de-aggro buff, so it doesn't apply here.)</p><p>The lag is awful, but I've been trying to get a good reading on these changes.</p><p>Our snares are listed as 1.0 sec duration.</p><p>Wounding/cripping arrow can no longer be cast on the run.</p><p>It's a total crap shoot on damage. Sometimes I take a monster down close to how I did pre-patch, most of the time the monster is eating me alive. Solo encounters with more than one mob are horrendous. It's very hard to kite, but if you do not kite any mob that is a solo ^ arrow, you're dead.</p><p>It may just be in the expansion zones, but it seems like mobs are parrying arrow shots a lot more than I've ever seen before. They're shrugging off triple arrow and the hidden shot line. Snare from our backshot line didn't seem to be landing.</p><p>I've lost count of how many times I've died trying these changes out. Some of those were from simple dungeon exploring, but the vast, vast majority of them were from trying to take down SOLO mobs. The lag isn't making things any easier either.</p><p>I was really hoping things on Beta were exaggerated, I really was. This is just depressing.</p>

[kartikeya]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><p>Snares last the duration they are suppose to, not 1 second.</p><p>Actually snaring a mob and seeing it > text.</p><hr></blockquote><p>I thought that might be the case, as I didn't notice the duration change until after I had it pointed out to me, and I was using snare beforehand. Thanks.</p><p> </p>

[Tasye]

Level 50 ranger, with Pristine Imbued Ironwood Longbow and crappy 26.2 rating weapons, mostly crap armor, all my CA are Adept with one Master 2.:-Single up arrow blue mobs, 4 levels below me and my ranged damage is 20% of the total PER fight. A good third of the fights, ranged comprised 10% of total damage.-35 fights and my bow procced <i><u><b>ONCE</b></u></i>.-I cannot complete any DoF missions from Tears.-Poison procs average 2x per fight.<div></div>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><p>Honestly, i think a lot of people are exaggerating here.</p><p>I'm getting a lot of poison procs and gleaming procs .. not as many as i use to but still a lot.</p><p>I think right now most of the ranger community is a bit [Removed for Content] off, so they got on mad and looked at things the worst possible way making it seem much worse than it actually was.</p>

[Daxtyr_AnnonTuri]

ok so at lvl 41 i can hunt safely in the entrance of ferrott killing blue down arrow singles and green down arrows.i use legendary poison 193 DD and a 3.5 sec stunn legendary ... in 30 mins of killing i got 3 stunn procs and 17 DD procs.i have a imbued cedar longbow, and and a full set of Feysteel armor and weapons from my T4 stuff because i can not afford Ebon yet.for me soloing is not going to work ... if i have to grind Low green mobs to low blue's.  i can just as easy start a warden or fury.druids kill just as fast as we do now ... and people Always want druids in a group. or a templer.life / LU20 sucks<div></div>

[kartikeya]

<div>I am not exaggerating. I played a ranger pre-LU 13, and this is exactly as though the past few months had never, ever happened, except now without ranged arts that can be cast while moving. I can't tell you how many times I've died since the servers came back up because I stopped counting, it was so depressing.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Tasye]

<div></div>LOL, don't bother replying to <a target="_blank" href="../view_profile?user.id=33187"><span>Sphiriah</span></a>. He's a SoE shill.<div></div>

[TalenMorg]

There is no exageration....lvl 60 with full cobalt all spells either master 1, 2 or adept 3 with legendary poisons. Even cons solo are a crap shoot. I barely proc poison at all and I never once saw my rings proc or gleaming strike proc in 1 hour of play.I wouldn't mind if I found playing fun....but at this point there is nothing fun about being a ranger...<div></div>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tasye wrote:<div></div>LOL, don't bother replying to <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=33187"><span>Sphiriah</span></a>. He's a SoE shill.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sorry? [Removed for Content] is a shill?

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tasye wrote:<div></div>LOL, don't bother replying to <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=33187"><span>Sphiriah</span></a>. He's a SoE shill.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sorry? [Removed for Content] is a shill?<hr></blockquote><p>Oh, i see ...</p><p>Come on unrest if you want to see me =D</p>

[Tasye]

<div></div><a target="_blank" href="../view_profile?user.id=33187"><span></span></a>Sphiriah sells soe shills by the sea shore.<span></span><div></div>

[Daxtyr_AnnonTuri]

Shrill = spy aka Looser aka not nice person .....if you think this is ok you must work for SoE

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Daxtyr_AnnonTuri wrote:Shrill = spy aka Looser aka not nice person .....if you think this is ok you must work for SoE<hr></blockquote>So now rangers are attacking each other? so much for the whole standing together thing.

[Carna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div>So now rangers are attacking each other? so much for the whole standing together thing.<hr></blockquote>Nope, I believe they're just attacking you as it happens. They might have decided they don't want you stood with them... I wonder why?

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div>So now rangers are attacking each other? so much for the whole standing together thing.<hr></blockquote>Nope, I believe they're just attacking you as it happens. They might have decided they don't want you stood with them... I wonder why?<hr></blockquote>...huh?

[kartikeya]

<div></div><p>Enough, guys. Flaming doesn't accomplish a single thing.</p><p> </p>

[Sphiriah]

<div>Let me just point out that you all have just proved everything i said in my earlier post.</div><div> </div><div>That's all.</div>

[kartikeya]

<div></div><p>You said I was exaggerating. I told you I was not. How is this attacking you? You were the one questioning whether or not I was being truthful with my experience.</p><p> </p>

[Sphiriah]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>kartikeya wrote:<div></div><p>You said I was exaggerating. I told you I was not. How is this attacking you? You were the one questioning whether or not I was being truthful with my experience.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>I actually wasn't referring to you.

[AChampi]

I'll not mention that 5% of my damage was directly contributed by other class buffs (Blooming Flames, Ancient Venom, Seed of Fire)I have no problems with the model they are proposing to implement but there needs to be a little more "tweaking" before it brings things into line. The damage of our CA's were set with understanding of the procs we would be landing. Obviously these has been changed and it probably means our CA damage needs to be looked at. I would also suggest changing the normalisation value to 1s - this should bring other proc'ing classes back in line with the damage they were doing pre proc change (e.g. 0.5 on a 1.5s weapon delay meant you were likely to proc half the stated chance - 0.5s CA on a 1s normalisation would also proc per CA half the stated chance).Orange con mobs were changed in a previous update to make them harder to hit because of the damage we were doing... obviously we are not doing that now and should be brought back in line with the chance of spells to hit. -Slic.<div></div>

[AChampi]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sphiriah wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>kartikeya wrote:<div></div><p>You said I was exaggerating. I told you I was not. How is this attacking you? You were the one questioning whether or not I was being truthful with my experience.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>I actually wasn't referring to you.<hr></blockquote>So what exaggeration where you referring to?Capture what you are doing and share - this way we can see where our skills are balanced and perhaps where they are not.It is clear in the stats posted above that in the encounters mentioned things are unbalanced with a conjurer matching a ranger in dps not including his pet - his pet alone doing nearly double the dps or a ranger.There are a number of quests in KoS that requires you kill these solo 66/67 orange con mobs, which a wizard could do with little difficulty and as a ranger I could not even get close to (even with trap, sniper shot and all buffs up). In theory everyone should be able to solo [certain] mobs at this level with difficulty, i.e. fables and masters. A tank should be able to just absorb the damage and grind him down, and healers should be able to heal themselves and wear them down, and the dps classes should be capable of bringing them down before the mob kills them.If any class that is similarly equiped cannot then there is reason to call for balance.  -Slic.<img src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/3262.png"></span><div></div>

[Zendi_Perma]

<div></div>39 Ranger here.    Procs are way down from LU19, but I still am getting a fair number of poison procs, gleaming strikes etc.   I would give you details, but Permafrost crashed for the second time.     I was taking out dual even con solo mobs without much trouble.     They were getting to me with about half health today, whereas yesterday they were dead at range.      I still think the devs overcompensated as usual.

[mighty_fc]

<div></div>can also add that you gonna have to have a large stock of arrows on you im using twice as many for 1 kill.. getting pretty expensive to hunt now :/

[KannaWhoopass]

<div></div><p>Give me a ball gag , a leather hood and some assless chaps .</p><p>I am the [Removed for Content]</p><p>I suck</p><p>as far as i can tell i am one of the best equiped rangers in here.</p><p>Lvl 60 all fabled or high end legendary gear. Not the PP fabled i mean the good fabled.</p><p>Im using adests poison. still using ironwood bow.</p><p>I cant get agro from a tank ..... i cant do it ....there is no use for our deagro spells ..why use them the DPS is sad to put it mildly.</p><p>Before the server crashed i was opening with SOA thats right.. the tank would pull and my first attack ...SOA .... didnt pull the mob off him once ..</p><p>never broke 500 dps the whole time ..... came close once ....once .... it was sad ...i tied the zerker tank ....more than once...</p><p>My first solo fight ...was to a lvl 61 .....i got 1 attack in ..i cant proc a stun poison to save my life .. i cant get the mob off me ...im backing up out of habbit thinking ill fire off a retreat shot ..i dont have any ...my stun is a joke ....</p><p>Honestly what were they thinking ..were they thinking ...while i was in a panic in defencive stance trying to hand to hand the mob ...a zerker fighting the same mob beside me killed his and saved me cause my health was in the red ....sad ..plain sad ...i dont think i can continue like this.</p><p>After having a 50 templar who i dont use anymore and my 60 ranger .......i cant do stormhold again ...</p><p>more than outraged ..more than angry ...more than shocked .. im sad ...sad for my wasted time ..sad for my wasted effort ..sad i dont enjoy a char i put sooo may hours into ....</p>

[Blackguard]

Too much flaming or useless complaints in this thread. Locking it. Thanks to those of you who made an effort to communicate constructively--we're listening to that feedback. <div></div>