Soon to be farewell more than likely

[Saihung23]

<div>Hello all</div><div> </div><div>I havent been posting much, I have been playing on test...and now I am [Removed for Content].</div><div> </div><div>I expect a posting ban to come sometime soon.  So just wanted to send you all best wishes...and say I will hopefully be back.  After we are un-nerfed.</div><div> </div><div>I have pressed for patience in the past, well, my patience is up.  Many many people were doing feedback on test to let the Dev's know that the changes were too much too fast.  They likely havent listened to any of their players...so my patience is not one of the virtues I have at the moment.</div><div> </div><div>I am not taking their half [Removed for Content] approach to this game lying down anymore.  95% of the changes made to the classes in this game are to fix the last class changes they made...it is an endless cycle...a vicious cycle.  It needs to end someday...they need to test their changes longer and be more aware of the customer base and its opinions.</div><div> </div><div>If not, well then....you know what comes next after that for me.</div><div> </div><div>I hope they change their methods...my 90 day card is almost up.  And I have a billion things to better spend my recreation time on...</div>

[Tressle]

<div>Just switch to Vanguard Saga of Heroes if it's too much of a nerf...that's what I'm going to do when the release comes out.  This game is far to easy anyhow...it's killin gfor killings sake...no thought whatsoever to anything reallly.  No death penalty...no corps recovery..no use for evac other than travel, all classes muddled, mobs die too fast for any debuffs to really work, you can gate and travel anywhere in a second...this whole game is nerfed.  I want the old eq1 just updated...thats what Vanguard will be from the orig creators of eq1. </div>

[StrollingWolf]

<div></div><div></div><p>I have had to visit this thread. Posts such as "Can I have your stuff?" are unnecessary and most likely unwanted. If you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation then don't post to this thread. If you wish to discuss the OP's topic without making snide remarks against him than please do.</p><p>Remeber to keep your replies civil.</p><p>Message Edited by StrollingWolf on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:32 AM</span></p>

[Sulas]

Saihung,Thanks for testing and posting your opinion and anger.  You have been my voice as well.I used to be very up on Sony and the game as a whole, but I am really disappointed with how the Dev team so imcompetantly rolls out changes. However...I hope you don't leave for good.  As furious as I am, I don't think I'll leave.  I actaully do think things will work out and I hope you'll share my optimism and remain an active part of our community.That's not to say I won't suspend my subscription for a month.  It comes due at the end of Feb and I'm thinking of find other things to do for the month as a way of expressing my disappointment in SoE's methods.Cheers!:: pulls Sai's tail ::<div></div>

[Sulas]

2nd post...I may have to check out Vanguard too... I'll see.Also, I got the impression that the 'Have your stuff?' post was made in good spirits.  But, who knows?e<div></div>

[Sute]

<div></div>bah im sorry, but everyone who posts about leaving should get the "may i have your stuff" it was said in jest. But i am sorry i said it. Peace.

[StrollingWolf]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sulas wrote:Also, I got the impression that the 'Have your stuff?' post was made in good spirits.  But, who knows?<div></div><hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>No, it wasn't, from watching some of the threads around here today.</p>

[Sute]

<div>Yes it really was. Saying it was not from another post you read is kinda wrong. What i said in the other thread was right on the money. SOE are "fixing" broken things and people complain...its in the nature of humans.</div><div> </div><div>It had nothing to do with this post, nothing at all.</div><div> </div><div>So to say it was not said in jest, well you are wrong.</div><div> </div><div>Peace</div>

[klepp]

<div></div><p>i concur, entire game is nerf'd  </p><p>vanguard ftw!  which makes me sad in a sense... because at launch eq2 was a great game..... ah well, they dig their own hole....  watch em panic when vanguard releases lol</p>

[-Diabolic-Tom-]

I don't know wht everyone is so sweet on Vanguard. It's a Microsoft product and Microsoft has such a great track record on MMO's (Played Asherons call 2 Lately?). Ive played alot of MMO's over the years and have realised that they are an exercise in compromise and the only sure way to identify compromise is when eveyone is unhappy. Vangurd will have problems, likely alot more then a game that has had over a year to mature, and Sony has yet to abandon a MMO despite how few people play (Anyone up for a few rounds in Planetside?). If you are miserable here you are just as likely to be unhappy in any other MMO you choose...2 Cents given...<div></div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div>Hello all</div><div> </div><div>I havent been posting much, I have been playing on test...and now I am [Removed for Content].</div><div> </div><div>I expect a posting ban to come sometime soon.  So just wanted to send you all best wishes...and say I will hopefully be back.  After we are un-nerfed.</div><div> </div><div>I have pressed for patience in the past, well, my patience is up.  Many many people were doing feedback on test to let the Dev's know that the changes were too much too fast.  They likely havent listened to any of their players...so my patience is not one of the virtues I have at the moment.</div><div> </div><div>I am not taking their half [Removed for Content] approach to this game lying down anymore.  95% of the changes made to the classes in this game are to fix the last class changes they made...it is an endless cycle...a vicious cycle.  It needs to end someday...they need to test their changes longer and be more aware of the customer base and its opinions.</div><div> </div><div>If not, well then....you know what comes next after that for me.</div><div> </div><div>I hope they change their methods...my 90 day card is almost up.  And I have a billion things to better spend my recreation time on...</div><hr></blockquote>I know you and I have not always seen eye to eye on things but you have my respect.   I am a pecimist by nature and it seemed drastic changes were coming...  I wish I had been wrong.   I wish you the best whatever your descision is.

[Sulas]

<span><blockquote><hr>klepp wrote:<div></div><p>i concur, entire game is nerf'd  </p><p>vanguard ftw!  <b>which makes me sad in a sense... because at launch eq2 was a great game..... ah well,</b> they dig their own hole....  watch em panic when vanguard releases lol</p><hr></blockquote>Ya know... this is exactly what makes me so sad, so disappointed.I really was a complete Sony fan-boy.  Since I was in my teens and "discovered" music ( I ony used Sony audio tape) to now.  I believed in Sony products - everything they did or made they seemed to do with a huge amount of pride and exacting standards.  But the experiences I am having with the haphazard, seat-of-your-pants design are leaving me horribly jaded.It's not that I'm angry, I'm disappointed and powerless to affect any kind of change.  So all I can do now is sit on my hands, or rant.Thankfully, Sai is much better at it than me.</span><div></div>

[IBSomnifer]

<div></div><p>I personally will be giving KOS and the new changes a good try out.  If they turned into too much of a nerf, I have no trouble leaving anymore.  I'm tired of leveling a character only to ahve it nerfed from under my feet again and again.  Its no fun to play a character for 6 months, only for it to be changed completely for the worse after all the time enjoying it.  SoE you really need to rethink your changes, and how you go about doing things.  Employ someone who doesn't have their bums up the wrong places.  Its pretty clear to the rest of the world...that HUGE nerfs don't make people happy even when needed.  There are other ways to go about making the needed changes.   Think outside the box....beyond the end of your noses.  Or maybe its that yall overthink these things to the point where you can't make changes in a timely manner....like 2 weeks instead of 6 months down the line?</p><p>Good luck fellow rangers.</p>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>IBSomnifer wrote:<div></div><p>I personally will be giving KOS and the new changes a good try out.  If they turned into too much of a nerf, I have no trouble leaving anymore.  I'm tired of leveling a character only to ahve it nerfed from under my feet again and again.  Its no fun to play a character for 6 months, only for it to be changed completely for the worse after all the time enjoying it.  SoE you really need to rethink your changes, and how you go about doing things.  Employ someone who doesn't have their bums up the wrong places.  Its pretty clear to the rest of the world...that HUGE nerfs don't make people happy even when needed.  There are other ways to go about making the needed changes.   Think outside the box....beyond the end of your noses.  Or maybe its that yall overthink these things to the point where you can't make changes in a timely manner....like 2 weeks instead of 6 months down the line?</p><p>Good luck fellow rangers.</p><hr></blockquote><p>I as well will give the changes an "honest" effort.  But I refuse to reroll again!!!  If the changes makes my ranger a [Removed for Content]...   I have seen the parses from folks that say we are screwed... Blackguard says we freaking rock with no parses.  I tend to believe the ones with hard numbers.  I will check it out for myself but if found lacking...  CANCEL account.  MMORGS are not static I understand this... But they are not suposed to be a different game every Fookin update!</p><p>Note to sony if they even give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about a [Removed for Content] off customer...   TEST YOUR SOFTWARE PRIOR TO GOING LIVE.  I do not pay 15 dollars a month to BETA test Live.  I have an expectation of quality from the Sony brand that will forever be tainted.  Whoever had this "vision" of ranger "fixes" should be fired.  Point blank.</p>

[Jay]

<div>I don't want to see you go, Sai, because I consider you a friend and b/c we need more rangers here fighting the good fight. I'm not going anywhere just yet, but I understand why you're considering the departure - I'm tired of it all too. Not just b/c of this particular change, but b/c of the unpredictability and complete lack of stability in this game. If all the mechanics and every rule is up for a potentially drastic change with every LU, what can we as players rely on? How do we make informed decisions about the future of our characters when the ground beneath us shifts so drastically without any warning?</div><div> </div><div>Anyway, I hear what you're saying, and I can't blame you for wanting to rid yourself of the frustration. Games are supposed to be fun, and if this one isn't, there not much reason to continue spending your time (let alone your money!) getting annoyed. Maybe take a break for a while and check back in a month or two.</div><div> </div><div>I'll stick it out for a while and see how this goes. I know it's gonna be bad; I don't know firsthand just HOW bad, yet. There are a lot of fun things to do in this game and I do enjoy playing other classes, but man...if they return my ranger to [Removed for Content] status, I'm going to have a really hard time continuing. I'm a ranger at heart; always have been, always will be. I don't want to give that up and walk away.</div>

[Vlath]

<div>Its a little annoying to see posts like this. I understand your pain and frustration  but the whole "im going to take my ball and leave" attitude is just rash and immature. You havent even tried it out yet. You dont admit rangers were overpowered. Maybe the nerf is excessive, but the game is still fun. Roll another class, try something new.</div><div> </div><div>And honestly, Nobody cares if you leave. Sony is making so much money on this game that you are a guppy in a vast ocean.</div><div> </div><div>Forgive my bluntness as I see so many of these posts. You are a child.</div><div> </div><div>Good day.</div>

[TaleraRis]

<div>I would hate to see you go, Sai. You've always been an asset to the community. But if you aren't having fun anymore, you aren't having fun anymore.</div><div> </div><div>I'm sticking it out too, Jay. I love my Gwyn. As much fun as puttering around with my alts is, I would be crushed if I couldn't play my croaking arrow flinger any longer.</div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vlath wrote:<div>Its a little annoying to see posts like this. I understand your pain and frustration  but the whole "im going to take my ball and leave" attitude is just rash and immature. You havent even tried it out yet. You dont admit rangers were overpowered. Maybe the nerf is excessive, but the game is still fun. Roll another class, try something new.</div><div> </div><div>And honestly, Nobody cares if you leave. Sony is making so much money on this game that you are a guppy in a vast ocean.</div><div> </div><div>Forgive my bluntness as I see so many of these posts. You are a child.</div><div> </div><div>Good day.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Very few say that we are leaving without trying.... Perhaps you didn't read them closely?</p><p>Alot of us have already played this re-roll game to death.  I for one refuse to re-roll yet again.</p><p>To the contrary the original poster has contributed a great deal to the ranger community.  Until this final change has always given SOE the benifit of the doubt time and time again when faced with balancing.</p><p>I take it you don't visit this board very often do ya?</p>

[BtilTheMage]

<div><div>"Its a little annoying to see posts like this. I understand your pain and frustration  but the whole "im going to take my ball and leave" attitude is just rash and immature. You havent even tried it out yet. You dont admit rangers were overpowered. Maybe the nerf is excessive, <strong>but the game is still fun</strong>. Roll another class, try something new.</div><div> </div><div>And honestly, Nobody cares if you leave. <strong>Sony is making so much money on this game that you are a guppy in a vast ocean.</strong></div><div> </div><div>Forgive my bluntness as I see so many of these posts. You are a child.</div><div> </div><div>Good day."</div><div> </div><div>:smileyindifferent:</div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">If EQ2 is Sony's new cashcrop they're in trouble.</font></div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">Oh, and I care.  People leaving the game is never good.</font></div><div><font color="#cc0033"></font> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">The thing about the games is they are only fun when the people making them can prove they know what they're doing.  Sony has made the dumbest mistakes of any MMO company ever.  Not fixing problems until the last minute and then using a huge net change to hit every possible aspect of a class is a bad change.  Rangers have every right to be [Removed for Content] at the moment.  If they did something like this to Warlocks I know I would be beyond [Removed for Content].  They [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up with this change, stop trying to defend them.  Out of all the possible solutions they picked the one that would be guaranteed to alienate their customers and provide a temporary solution at best.  This does not fix the damage issues.  The tiers are still completely shuffled about haphazardly and this just put Rangers from one wrong position to another.  If they are going to argue this was meant to provide a solution for the DPS fiasco they had better shape up and start making some good, well thought out changes across the board.  As it is right now, the DPS argument is nothing more than an excuse to put minimal effort into balancing and be done with it.</font></div></div>

[klepp]

<div></div>everyone is up on vanguard becuase it wont be a kiddiefest.. its being created by the team that created eq1.  its the real eq2.   As for it being a microsoft product.. Wrong, microsoft is giving (sigil) the financial backing..but sigil (led by brad mquaid the lead designer for eq1) is creating the game.

[Keredh]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Vlath wrote:<div> </div><div>Forgive my bluntness as I see so many of these posts. You are a child.</div><div> </div><div>Good day.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Unfortunately, it is not just a case of picking up your ball and walking out. Some of us who are considering quitting have played rangers since beta. Others have made a much more consistent effort than I have in feeding back the problems of the class prior to and after each LU#. If someone asks you for feedback, you give it, and you don't have the courtesy to post a response or to address the points raised (explaining why the person who raised them is wrong, backed up by smilar evidence to show your position), why engage?</p><p>MMORPGs are not like the regular off-the-shelf game you buy that might get patched 3 or 4 times. They evolve, they grow. A year and a half after release, we should be an evolving class - not a class that is turned upside down yet again. Prior to LU13 the ranger community called for fixes. Eventually we got them. Prior to LU20 we were not visited by Devs who told us that they had fixed us incorrectly, that they had gotten it wrong. No - we were made to feel that it was our fault, for playing the game as they designed it.</p><p>We are looking at LU20. 20 major patches since launch. And they still have no idea where to place rangers. If this is their final position, then like Jay and others, I have run out of patience. If it takes more than a couple of weeks to acknowledge the difficulties that are being pointed to on test, I have run out of patience.</p><p>I am glad you are up for re-rolling another character. That is great - it is how you want to play the game. I don't. I wanted to enjoy the ranger class. I could handle a sensible, managed reduction in damage. That isn't what those who are on test - who are TESTING this update, who have spent many hours for free testing previous updates - are saying. It is being played now, by experienced rangers, and they say it effectively breaks the class.</p><p>I enjoy the RP aspect of my ranger. However, I didn't spend until last month getting to 60 to be asked to group to make up the numbers or because they don't want me to feel left out (not all of us have the time to level a toon that quickly to play with those we have spent the last year or so playing with, exploring the new content etc - I am glad you have; have I played the old content to death? actually, yes - I am frequently mentored to help guildies, a contributing factor to the the slow progress).</p><p>I think "tired with it all" sums it up. We lurch from month to month not knowing how we will be able to play. Now we are wondering if this is where it ends or if there will be future changes.</p><p>Good luck to all those who have the patience to wait it out.</p><p>Ker</p><p>Message Edited by Keredh on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:05 PM</span></p>

[Incedio]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>klepp wrote:<div></div>everyone is up on vanguard becuase it wont be a kiddiefest.. its being created by the team that created eq1.  its the real eq2.   As for it being a microsoft product.. Wrong, microsoft is giving (sigil) the financial backing..but sigil (led by brad mquaid the lead designer for eq1) is creating the game.<hr></blockquote>Ya, you have fun with Vanguard. Have fun having to own 3 sets of gear so that you can do bottom of dungeon corpse recoveries when your group wipes. Have fun riding a horse for 4 hours to get to a hunting spot because "Travel is fun". Have fun having to own a Cray Supercomputer in order to get decent FPS.I have seen Vanguard played and I have played the game myself and let me tell you Brad's "Vision" isn't all that.Vanguard: An MMORPG made by Masochists and made for Masochists!</span></div>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vlath wrote:<div>Its a little annoying to see posts like this.</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ffff66">Then stop reading them. Did the subject line "Soon to be farewell" really confuse you that much?</font></div><div> </div><div>Maybe the nerf is excessive, but the game is still fun. Roll another class, try something new.</div><div><div><font color="#ffff66"></font> </div><div><div><font color="#ffff66">If the game is still fun for you, rock on. Keep playing. If the game isn't fun for someone else, why should they continue to pay money for it?</font></div></div></div><div> </div><div>And honestly, Nobody cares if you leave.</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ffff66">Dead wrong. I do. He's a friend of mine and someone whose absence I would definitely notice and lament. </font></div><div> </div><div>Forgive my bluntness as I see so many of these posts. You are a child.</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ffff33"><font color="#ffff66">Ah, he's a child for saying goodbye to his friends, but you're a mature adult for making a lot of assumptions and bashing him. Interesting world you live in, kiddo.</font> </font></div><font color="#ffff66"></font></blockquote><blockquote><div><hr></div></blockquote>Get over your own angst, Vlath. Melodrama is obnoxious, I agree, but I don't see that here. Maybe it's just b/c I'm a friend of Sai's so I give him the benefit of the doubt. Either way, responses like yours are worthless.

[Zholain]

<div><span><blockquote><hr><font size="2">Vlath wrote:</font><div><font size="2">And honestly, Nobody cares if you leave. Sony is making so much money on this game that you are a guppy in a vast ocean.</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><div><font size="2">Forgive my bluntness as I see so many of these posts. You are a child.</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><hr></blockquote><font size="2">You, sir, could not be more wrong.  If you had spent more than a few minutes browsing the ranger forums you would know that Sai has been an invaluable member to the ranger community for a very long time.  I, too, consider him a friend.I'm sorry Sai.  I'm just getting caught up on today's posts.  All I can say is that you will be terriblly missed if you choose to leave.  I can understand perfectly, however.  If it's not fun, it's kinda silly to keep paying for it.  I think if it indeed proves to be as not fun as it seems its going to be, there may be a lot of people following in your footsteps.</font></span></div>

[TaleraRis]

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I didn't even see that post. Vlath, you are dead wrong. Sai is a valuable member of this community, which is more than I can say about you. There are many here who would be rather unhappy to see him leave, myself included.<div></div>

[Quaan]

<div></div>The sky is falling, the sky is falling....................

[Gumbercules]

hey the Trolls have come to the Ranjor boards again.i have been long time Reader of our Ranjor boards sadly not a big poster but yes Saihung you have allways given us good advice and info your posts will be missed if you leavegood luck to youStay Safe have Fun

[Garlicyesterday]

<div>Well im gonna give soe a week or 2 for fixing rangers now that they just took us even worst then before lu13</div><div> </div><div>If notin happens , im just gonna move to nother game , its sad but i refuse to reroll another character</div><div> </div><div>Just my 2cents</div>

[jarlaxle8]

<div></div><div>among all the - rather unhappy - posts i've seen on the ranger boards today i found this one.</div><div> </div><div>i too find it sad that you will leave saihung. since i started reading on these forums, you, among others, have been one of the noted and respected rangers on these boards. i understand your anger, and that your patience is worn down. your not one of the usual 'f* you sony, i quit' posters, which makes this update taste even bader. if you go, i know you'll be missed by a lot of us rangers.</div><div> </div><div>i never played a ranger in RPGs, always casters. but all the time i was a fan of bow and arrow (D&D multiclassing FTW! :smileyvery-happy: ), and have fancied ranger as an option. in EQ2 i decided, after my initial mage, to try out a scout which might become a ranger. i liked it and stuck to it, while my mage rotted on IoR. we where gimped then, but tbh, when i started the ranger i didn't know or care about dps tiers. i wanted fun and had it. i liked beeing a ranger.</div><div>because of that i'll stick to it for now, although these changes won't make me happy, i bet (haven't been able to check it out yet). but let's see what happens. i just don't want to switch to an alt. i chose this class and would like to still play this class while having fun. which includes solo, not dps parses in groups/raids.</div><div> </div><div>as for vlath: others have already said most of what i thought. just to say my mind: saihung, and this post, are not to be counted as child or childish. he is a mostly positive ranger, and normally was more of the patient type. he clearly says he was testing the changes. not on live, on beta. now he's [Removed for Content], and i assume he has reason to, after having expierenced it on beta, feedbacking, and still having no solution from the devs.</div><div>as you see, some people do care if he leaves.</div><div> </div><div>---------------------------<a target="_self" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=383113204">Ryilan Nightbreeze </a>---------------------------</div><div> </div><div>ah, and btw: can i have your gear? :smileywink: (just a little /poke at MiB visitor here :smileytongue: )</div>

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Quaan wrote:<div></div>The sky is falling, the sky is falling....................<hr></blockquote>dewd...  the sky FELL.

[Tarryn]

<div></div><p>I figure I'll give it a month.  I haven't been playing much lately, cause I was waiting for Kingdom of Sky.  Since I've bought it for both my accounts, I'm going to try to at least explore the content for a while, til the novelty wears off.</p><p>Since the nerfs, though, combat is more a chore than it is entertaining for me.  I have a number of alts, but my ranger is and always will be my main--and if he's not fun to play, the game isn't fun to play.  If the game isn't fun to play, I too will be moving on.</p><p>If the devs don't at least make some admission of there being a problem, and really sell me on their urgency in correcting it, I'll be putting down the game myself.  It'll be sad not to have Tarryn in EQ2 for the first time since summer '04, but them's the breaks.  I'll check back periodically, and when the issue is fixed I may return--if I haven't found another game I enjoy more by then.</p><p>We shall see.  Good luck to all my fellow rangers, and here's hoping for a miraculous cure for our new malaise. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>