Beta Parsed Numbers look bad (Dont Accept the Nerfs)

[hawk987]

In Beta rangers are parsing back down near guards at T3 DPS going all out lvl 70 and Master 1 Spells.We are now using a ton of power to sustain any kind of DPS as well.These Nerfs are Unacceptable and all us rangers know it.We have no utility and were meant to be a top DPS class.Now they are nerfing us to the same way we used to be back pre-DOF.Rangers need to band together and let SOE know that we wont take this in stride.I for one wont stop posting about it and wont stop ranting until SOE fixes us AGAIN to what we rightfully are as a top DPS class.Miller60 Ranger GukDominion<div></div>

[BtilTheMage]

<div></div><font color="#cc0033">Go for it</font>

[Dirtgirl]

<div></div><font color="#99ff99">Btil, go away.</font>

[BtilTheMage]

<div><font color="#99ff99">Btil, go away.</font></div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">No you</font></div>

[BedlamX]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>BtilTheMage wrote:<div><font color="#99ff99">Btil, go away.</font></div><div> </div><div><font color="#cc0033">No you</font></div><hr></blockquote>BtilTheMage: Why do you post here? It's people like you that I hate and the fact your a mage make me hate you more. Perhaps you will grace us with your player name on the new PVP server .... On second thought you better not there is a good chance the Rangers would never let you live, I dont think you would get a moments peace Why dont you go back home and boost your class in your own forum. I for one dont respect a thing you say. You post here all of the time is there a chance that you seceretly want to be a ranger or maybe you were a ranger once and just couldnt handle the difficulty involved. I think there is a deeper meaning to you wanting to be here  other than being a pain in the ars.BedlamX</span></div>

[CrimsonValerian]

<div></div><p>After seeing some of the proc info, thats the devs screwup for [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] sure.  I may not agree with a ranger doing more dps than a wizard dropping a meteorite on the mob, i don't agree with bringing your dps down to my dirge's level.  Having my assassin spamming attacks and going mana dry just to keep close to a ranger isn't exactly what i call balanced tier 1 dps, especially with both of us being from the predator sub class.  Hope they'll fix you guys quick cause this doesnt sound right at all.</p><p>/Predator hug from the other predator</p>

[Trollb]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>"We have no utility and were meant to be a top DPS class."</p><p>A ranged class that can kite nearly anything, thus soloing isnt a biggie. Rangers have the same utility as every other rogue, unless of course you are crying because swashbucklers have single mezz -which is never even worth using to begin with; a single mezz when everyone is aoe-ing INCLUDING the swashbuckler; thus single mezz is an excercise in mastrubation, much like this thread.</p><p>Rogues really arent that different, except rangers and assassins are top dps. Groups dont choose rogues because of their so-called utility (which im still pondering what it is that a brigand or swash has which ranger doesnt)... but this sounds like a dubious claim at best.</p><p>If rangers can keep their targets at range, then they will by default solo 10x better. Therefore the OTHER rogues should do better dps because they will REQUIRE a group to effectively xp</p><p>Message Edited by Trollboy on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:12 AM</span></p>

[Dirtgirl]

<div></div><p><font color="#99ff99">Trollboy, please follow Btil.</font></p><p><font color="#99ff99">Here, a quote from a mage with a clue and a beloved guild mate...</font><font color="#ffff00">"We got love for yah rangers, and heck, we proc you as often as possible when u in grp."</font></p>

[Arhan]

<div></div><div>We need spirit of the predator <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />!  Give us back our attack buffs! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Hrm,  Brigs and Swashbucklers have very nice debuffs(swashbucklers can buff hate also).  Assasins can buff hate higher then swashbucklers.  Rangers can just disarm traps now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  We all know how of course how useful bards are in a group.    Ok well us rangers do have about 3-4 helpful things we can do.  However there minor IMO compared to the other scouts.  The kiting thing is pretty false considering we really can't run around and shoot CA's like we could pre dof.  We can use cheapshot though then fire maybe 1-3 things however i doubt it will be effective without a lot of nice poison procs solo wise...  Uhh i dunno....I hate these changes 45-50%+ of our damage is from (quick shot and poison)procs i'd suspect that were prob looking at maybe 10-15% damage now from procs alone.  Gratz guys we can now level 70 and get all our aa's and maybe, just maybe do as much damage as we did in Desert of Flames.</div><div> </div><div>Pretty big cut to the rangers imo these are just a mild guesses.  This is especially hard after they snipped us earlier with no procing off anything other then the weapon your using(which I can agree on that change).  I do agree we need our damage toned down but not by such an extreme.  The only thing fun about playing ranger is how fast we can kill stuff at a distance....</div><div>BTW I'm raid leader for my guild and I parse all our raid encounters.  I always look at my preformance especially.  Sucks for us but i'm sure we will survive and well be fixed...well we better <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Garlicyesterday]

<div></div><div>Trollboy , why dont you shut the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up and leave the forum if you dont know what your talking about...</div><div> </div><div>Rangers cant solo [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] anymore if you didnt know , why you gonna ask?</div><div> </div><div>Because Cheap shot got nerfed , stream of arrows got nerfed , our snares got nerfed , debillating line skills got nerfed , now cant cast on move and over that weapons procs got nerfed , and now poison proc got nerfed !!!!!</div><div> </div><div>Isnt that enough ?!</div><div> </div><div>SOE your [Removed for Content] me off !</div><p>Message Edited by Garlicyesterday on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:28 AM</span></p>

[GrayStorm]

<div><blockquote><hr>Trollboy wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>"We have no utility and were meant to be a top DPS class."</p><p>A ranged class that can kite nearly anything, thus soloing isnt a biggie. Rangers have the same utility as every other rogue, unless of course you are crying because swashbucklers have single mezz -which is never even worth using to begin with; a single mezz when everyone is aoe-ing INCLUDING the swashbuckler; thus single mezz is an excercise in mastrubation, much like this thread.</p><p>Rogues really arent that different, except rangers and assassins are top dps. Groups dont choose rogues because of their so-called utility (which im still pondering what it is that a brigand or swash has which ranger doesnt)... but this sounds like a dubious claim at best.</p><p>If rangers can keep their targets at range, then they will by default solo 10x better. Therefore the OTHER rogues should do better dps because they will REQUIRE a group to effectively xp</p><p>Message Edited by Trollboy on <span class="date_text">02-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:12 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>you're dead wrong</div>

[tim the so]

<div></div><p>Welcome to the world of sony.</p><p>This is precisely how I felt after LU13.  My main is a warlock, and after LU13 the warlock was nerfed so badly that I quit playing for a few months.  I came back, and maxed to 60 again, but it's bittersweet.  I have since roled a shiny new ranger, gotten her nearly to 60, and I must say, rangers have plenty of utility (I would say only slightly less than my warlock) and HUGE damage output. </p><p>In short, I'm sorry for everyone of you who's main is a ranger, and I regret to inform you that it probably won't get any better any time soon.  But, if you want to feel a little better about your class, make a warlock, get him to raiding level, max out all your masters and equipment, and then marvel at how hard you work to break 600 dps (assuming you have a bard in your group, since sorcerer's get no hate reduction).  It seems SOE wants to take all the high dps classes and drop them way down, one by one.  I wish someone who worked there would learn to do some simple math to determine if classes are balanced or not BEFORE they go live with something. </p><p>I'm pullin for ya, we're all in this together.</p>

[hawk987]

Utility " The quality or condition of being useful, as in a public utility"Rangers do damage, disarm, and pathfinding, and allthough damage is useful it doesnt help anyone but the, ranger.Rogues for the uniformed poster have should I say 10x more utility. And if you don't know this then im sorry my friend but you dont know your class. Lets see:......Rogues debuff resists(making casters hit harder)......Rogues debuff melee resists(making melee classes such as scouts hit harder)......Rogues can stun a mob with multiple stuns and interupts they have., etc.These are not utility on top of your still nice DPS? They look like they would be useful to others.Heh, rangers can kite? Why dont you create one and try.Yes, I can solo , but not by kiting. I solo using stun poison, and now lets see me solo without stuns proccing no way.If they wanted to screw rangers soloing nerf the stun poisons not our damage!FYI rangers get 3 shots on the run 2 of which could be used in kiting (one is a backshot) one has a 3 min timer, one has low damage and 1 and a fourth minute timer.Miller60 Ranger GukDominion<div></div>

[Dirtgirl]

<div></div><font color="#99ff99">And one of those got nerfed to be stationary only :smileymad:</font>