damage without procs: a test to see if it can be done

[BSbon]

<div>ok since there's all this debate as to how much procs really affect killing stuff i removed by offence stance archery buff and made sure i had no poisons on and went over the EF. i wanted to see what i could do to mobs without procs. keep in mind that i lost some offence points when cancelling the offence stance. i am level 44 the mobs i was fighting are level 45v solo yellow con mobs. i encluded all my damage to the mob and the mobs damage to me. if anyone would like to know my stats or gear let me know. i'm not going to draw any conclusions about this data as i'm sure everyone will have an opinion.</div><div> </div><div>bongo</div><div> </div><div><img src="http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/8809/noproc7ro.jpg"><a target="_blank" href="http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/8809/noproc7ro.jpg"></a></div><div> </div><div><img src="http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/310/noproc25fe.jpg"></div>

[Guitar_Guru]

Hmm. . .  Looks like, even without the procs, your still doing pretty good DPS.  I don't know though, since my ranger is only 30 =/ I like all the high numbers though <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[King Leor]

<div>Ummm, no, thats not good DPS. Sorry, but with our procs the fight would be half as long (maybe even shorter cuz they are wussy mobs). Essentially once the expansion hits rangers will suck. We wont be parsing the same as the other "Tier 1" classes simply because our chance to proc will be so limited, and our shots where we shoot with more than one arrow wont proc on all of em or have the chance to which includes our stance not proccing.</div><div> </div><div>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[BSbon]

<div></div><p>keep in mind those are level appropriate solo mobs for my level.</p><p>bongo</p>

[Jayad]

<div></div><div>Try doing it with a combat parser like ACT and seeing the difference.  Whether or not you do damage isn't the question, but how fast you do it is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div>

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:<div></div><div>Try doing it with a combat parser like ACT and seeing the difference.  Whether or not you do damage isn't the question, but how fast you do it is <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><p>well, this was more about the question can i solo without procs? of course without procs you have lower dps. i'm not a guy that likes to parse number and stuff. that's not fun to me. i like to do quests. as long as i can solo level appropriate mobs them i guess i'm still happy.</p><p>bongo</p>

[Carna]

<div></div>Take a 44th lvl Rogue with you and compare.

[Visay1]

Hmm. Awesome. You can solo 1 down arrow mobs without a proc. But later on there will be no single down arrow solo mobs anymore. The solo mobs have 1^up, no arrows at all or come in groups. It would be the best to turn your adventure xp off and enjoy lvl 44. It will only get worse.<div></div>

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Visay1 wrote:Hmm. Awesome. You can solo 1 down arrow mobs without a proc. But later on there will be no single down arrow solo mobs anymore. The solo mobs have 1^up, no arrows at all or come in groups. It would be the best to turn your adventure xp off and enjoy lvl 44. It will only get worse.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>at what level can you not find soloable content?</p><p>bongo</p>

[Cron]

As he already pointed out to you, you are fighting a down arrow mob. You may have removed your offensive stance and poisons, but did you get rid of all your procs, i.e imbued items? This proves nothing.My Necro is fighting yellow ^ mobs with ease at level 30 btw.

[BSbon]

<div></div><p>ok. so then what solo mobs are you fighting?</p><p>bongo</p>

[Cron]

Doesn't matter really does it? We aren't soloing the same content everyone else is now.

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cronon wrote:Doesn't matter really does it? We aren't soloing the same content everyone else is now.<hr></blockquote><p>yup. it does matter. i get the feeling that all the posts that say i cant solo anymore are from people trying to solo ^^^ mobs. It wont happen anymore and believe it or not that is a good thing because the game is too easy.</p><p>bongo</p>

[illum]

<div>i can solo all sorts of grey and green stuff without a problem...the issue is we should be able to solo the same content as everyone else, and that's not the case.</div><div> </div><div>also the soloablility across levels appear to have different results...from what i've heard a lot of the problems are for level 50 rangers in Sands...but I could be wrong</div>

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>illumin wrote:<div>i can solo all sorts of grey and green stuff without a problem...the issue is we should be able to solo the same content as everyone else, and that's not the case.</div><div> </div><div>also the soloablility across levels appear to have different results...from what i've heard a lot of the problems are for level 50 rangers in Sands...but I could be wrong</div><hr></blockquote><p>not sure what level you are but my ranger is 45. i solo blue to yellow con single down arrow mobs with little trouble. tonight i will try to find blue to yellow no arrow mobs to solo and post some results.</p><p> </p><p>bongo</p>

[illum]

<div>i'm sorry, perhaps my post was vague...in my post, i meant different people from different tier levels are experiencing different results...lots of level 50-59 rangers exping in Sinking Sands are having massive issues soloing...grouping doesn't appear to be much of a problem if you have Stream of Arrows though DPS is significantly reduced.</div><div> </div><div>certain styles appear to work, while others are horribly gimped...a good majority of people are NOT able to solo mobs as effectively (notice I didn't say better) as other classes that are ranked to be the same tier / type.  the issue is more about rangers should be near the top of DPS, and not be outclassed by guardians or templars in the DPS category, but they are.</div>

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>illumin wrote:<div>i'm sorry, perhaps my post was vague...in my post, i meant different people from different tier levels are experiencing different results...lots of level 50-59 rangers exping in Sinking Sands are having massive issues soloing...grouping doesn't appear to be much of a problem if you have Stream of Arrows though DPS is significantly reduced.</div><div> </div><div>certain styles appear to work, while others are horribly gimped...a good majority of people are NOT able to solo mobs as effectively (notice I didn't say better) as other classes that are ranked to be the same tier / type.  the issue is more about rangers should be near the top of DPS, and not be outclassed by guardians or templars in the DPS category, but they are.</div><hr></blockquote><p>you may be right about 50-59 not being able to solo as effectivly as lower level rangers. since i am not at those levels i cannot comment from personal experience.  that being said i went and found this post <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=23293">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=23293</a></p><p>he's a level 55 that is able to solo in the same marrer that i do. while he may be the exception to the level 50s i'll have to wait and see.</p><p>bongo</p>

[illum]

<div>it's not about soloing...that can be done...it's soloing and being as effective as other DPS classes that rangers are supposed to be ranked against.  for example:</div><ul><li>level 50 wizard kills mob X in 30 seconds</li><li>level 50 bruiser kills mob X in 1 minute</li><li>level 50 ranger kills mob X in 1 minute</li></ul><p>all three classes can solo mob X, but rangers are supposed to be in the same tier as wizards (though according to SOE devs not quite as powerful as wizards), so the expectation would be to kill mob X in say 45 seconds...not in the same amount of time it takes a tank to kill the same mob.</p><p> </p><p>hope that clears up the confusion about all the griping :smileyhappy:</p>

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>illumin wrote:<div>it's not about soloing...that can be done...it's soloing and being as effective as other DPS classes that rangers are supposed to be ranked against.  for example:</div><ul><li>level 50 wizard kills mob X in 30 seconds</li><li>level 50 bruiser kills mob X in 1 minute</li><li>level 50 ranger kills mob X in 1 minute</li></ul><p>all three classes can solo mob X, but rangers are supposed to be in the same tier as wizards (though according to SOE devs not quite as powerful as wizards), so the expectation would be to kill mob X in say 45 seconds...not in the same amount of time it takes a tank to kill the same mob.</p><p> </p><p>hope that clears up the confusion about all the griping :smileyhappy:</p><hr></blockquote><p>that may be true. if it is then we need ajustments made. could you run some tests with these classes and post logs?</p><p>bongo</p>

[Damaan]

<div>illumin wrote:<div>it's not about soloing...that can be done...it's soloing and being as effective as other DPS classes that rangers are supposed to be ranked against.  for example:</div><ul><li>level 50 wizard kills mob X in 30 seconds</li><li>level 50 bruiser kills mob X in 1 minute</li><li>level 50 ranger kills mob X in 1 minute</li></ul><p>all three classes can solo mob X, but rangers are supposed to be in the same tier as wizards (though according to SOE devs not quite as powerful as wizards), so the expectation would be to kill mob X in say 45 seconds...not in the same amount of time it takes a tank to kill the same mob.</p><p> </p><p>hope that clears up the confusion about all the griping <img width="16" border="0" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" height="16"></p>Maybe this just means bruisers are on deck for a dps reduction?  Or prehaps they will bump you up closer to 40 or 45 seconds.</div>

[illum]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Damaan wrote:<div><p>Maybe this just means bruisers are on deck for a dps reduction?  Or prehaps they will bump you up closer to 40 or 45 seconds.</p></div><hr></blockquote><p>dear god i hope not.  i'm really surprised that code this horrible ever made it live...but then again, i guess there's a track record to be held up lol :smileyvery-happy:</p>