Point Blank shooting

[Crychtonn]

<div>I request that the minimum distance restriction on ranged CA's be removed.  Removing this restriction is the only way to make the Ranger class viable in the solo area.  Before LU13 I could at least kite mobs to stay alive and kill them.  That has been taken away and additionally snares were changed to break 99% of the time from damage.</div><div> </div><div>If Rangers are going to be required to go toe to toe with mobs they need a viable way to do damage.  The current melee skills they receive are to limited and do pathetic damage.  If Rangers are not allowed to use bow CA's at point blank range they will have little to no solo ability.</div><div> </div><div>Please fix this as soon as possible.</div><div> </div>

[Memran]

<div>I agree with this, and have never seen the reason for a minimum range.</div>

[Beldin_]

<div></div>Totally agree .. in Lineage you could for example always use your bow.

[Kaelos_]

ok. devs.. take a bow and arrow, aim it at a watermelon 10ft away, shoot it. what happened?  arrow in watermelon.ok devs.. now take a bow and arrow, aim it at a watermelon with the arrow tip right up to it.what happened? arrow in watermelon.<div></div>

[Gareorn]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kaelos_CZ wrote:ok. devs.. take a bow and arrow, aim it at a watermelon 10ft away, shoot it. what happened?  arrow in watermelon.ok devs.. now take a bow and arrow, aim it at a watermelon with the arrow tip right up to it.what happened? arrow in watermelon.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Dude!  I hunt with a compound bow and I would never test this theory in RL.  Why not just take the arrow and stab yourself in the thigh.  I imagine it would hurt way less than trying to shoot a watermelon from point blank range.</p><p>Not that RL has anything to do with a RPG anyway.:smileyhappy:</p>

[Beldin_]

<div></div>Another thing would be to give us either sone real melee styles or some other stuns that would work at least agains single-upgrade mobs a little better then cheap shot.

[21_Blessin]

<div></div><p>One of the AA's is a point blank shot which stuns/stifles/blurs/knockdowns the target.</p><p>There should be a deadzone where you can't fire your bow. BUT, I disagree with the change of not being able to move and fire a bow. I should be able backpedal and fire CAs, I should be able to ride my horse and fire a bow as well. You know, Horse Archers. Those things actually existed.</p>

[Sirlutt]

with the new changes to procs.. i think we should be able to use our bow arts point blank .. we are the masters of the bow.. we should be able to manouver to fire in almost any situation.. we might get interupted a bit.. but we should be able to use the bow arts at point blank.. even with a slight penalty.<div></div>

[sjaste]

<div>There is absolutly no reason why rangers shouldn't be able to fire at point blank range, up till now I had not said anything about it cause we could move and fire but they changed that, though stream of arrows gave me a vision of hope they have now changed that, it is horrible, currently if rangers do not have room to move and out manuver enemies with cheap shot and snares we can not solo a green solo encounter! Now with changes to poisons and procs we really should be able to fire at point blank no other class suffers as much from this problem and it would not increase our DPS only our soloability. And would prevent us having to back up to do damage which we always get more argo from doing so. Also would allow us to do our normal DPS in dungeons instead of only the melee part.</div>

[Stigch]

<div></div><div></div>edit - twice the same message, go figure. delete this one<p>Message Edited by Stigchel on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 AM</span></p>

[Stigch]

<div></div><div></div><p>I assume this goes for high level rangers? Cause at level 26 I can easily solo white cons. I expect I can at least up to 30. Where does it go wrong then? At what point are there no suitable targets to take down?</p><p>Or is it a matter of wanting it all and paying nothing? I'm sure if you pick your targets right you can solo all the way to 60</p><p>Message Edited by Stigchel on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 AM</span></p>

[21_Blessin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>I assume this goes for high level rangers? Cause at level 26 I can easily solo white cons. I expect I can at least up to 30. Where does it go wrong then? At what point are there no suitable targets to take down?</p><p>Or is it a matter of wanting it all and paying nothing? I'm sure if you pick your targets right you can solo all the way to 60</p><p>Message Edited by Stigchel on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>So I take it you haven't played Beta then?</p><p>Get ready for a rude awakening.</p>

[Beldin_]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Or is it a matter of wanting it all and paying nothing? I'm sure if you pick your targets right you can solo all the way to 60</p><hr></blockquote>There are no longer single mobs with downgrades in KoS, i just tested the Beta for some hours after the Stream nerf and even with the actual proc rate these mobs normally reached me with around half life and i had to melee the rest so i mostly ended with 50% life after each mob. With the proc nerf i assume you have to melee 70% and thats not what i want to do as Ranger. I i want to melee i play my monk or my little Brigant.

[athitchcock]

I seem to remember some mobs by the druid rings in the commonlands using their bows against me at point blank range.If it works for them, why not us?<a target="_blank" href="http://www.eqsig.com/?ref=3479"><img border="0" alt="Gnaril's Signature" src="http://www.eqsig.com/sig/3479.png"></a>

[TwistedFaith]

Currently on beta, soloing is a complete joke.Our dps is way below T1, and soloing is crap and pretty much useless.We need a combination of a huge dmg on the CA's and also either the ability to point blank shoot or a stun style quick casting arrow shot.

[King Leor]

<div></div><p>Well, thats your problem there Gareorn, Your hunting with a compound bow..lol. They're no fun to use (and shame on pros for using them as they shoudl stick to normal bows for competition). You gotta stick with the nice 80 LB long bows, or if ya dont use long bows use a re-curve at least. Thats how it was done in the good ol days (and how I still use em). Ya all wanna see who woudl make an uber ranger?? Check this guy out, does AWESOME things with a long bow and no weenie gadgets, IE shooting candles out and pickin aspirin outta the air, and shooting arrows through rings. It all in the link :0) But ya, i agree point blank shooting would be nice as kiting will now be impossible.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.byronferguson.com/html/about.html">http://www.byronferguson.com/html/about.html</a></p><p>LeoricLevel 60 ranger</p>

[Beldin_]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>athitchcock wrote:I seem to remember some mobs by the druid rings in the commonlands using their bows against me at point blank range.If it works for them, why not us?<hr></blockquote>I think most mobs can hit you with their bow even if they stand directly on your feet, much the same like melee fighter mobs can hit you from 50m away :smileyindifferent:

[BSbon]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>I assume this goes for high level rangers? Cause at level 26 I can easily solo white cons. I expect I can at least up to 30. Where does it go wrong then? At what point are there no suitable targets to take down?</p><p>Or is it a matter of wanting it all and paying nothing? I'm sure if you pick your targets right you can solo all the way to 60</p><p>Message Edited by Stigchel on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>i solo yellow cons at 44</p><p>bongo</p>

[4lta]

<div></div><div>ya i was on a raid lastnight and the mele classes were as far back as the ranged class doin all the CAs jus the same sence they changed the min distance shouldnt they change the max range of mele shouldnt your blades have to hit the mob??? how stupid is this and they still can proc off mele from my max range on most all raid mobs SOE u truly ruined a fun game WTG!!</div>

[Mithremakor]

Yeah, I bowhunt as well.  You need a whole arrow length.  About 28 inches in my case.  About the same as the real minimum range for a longsword (I have a couple of those as well in RL).<div></div>